Manti Teo vs. best QB in this draft

[thewildrabbit]

Do you guys really trust Nix / Gailey to draft the right players and then develop them properly, I sure don't! Look at the last 3 drafts...

 

I'll tell you what will happen, the team picking just before the bills will draft ILB Manti Te'o, and the Bills will draft a CB or RB as their history has shown. Then they trade Fred Jackson for a 5th. Perhaps they draft a QB as Matt Barkley looks like a "mini me" version of Fitz. Big brain, average arm, 6' 7/8" tall. Or maybe grab a QB in the 2nd round

 

BTW, that one win against Miami just knocked them from around 5th to up to 7th -18th depending on who wins this Sunday. 4-6 Oh I forgot, many of you have them finishing the season at 10-6

 

it took this regime 3 years to finally draft a LT...speaking of 3 years... to finally get some pass rush. But they needed to spend 112 million to draft on a pair of pass rushers who have only played well against rookie QB's

 

The team still needs a top WR to compliment SJ who is currently ranked 27th in yards, Jones is 64th. Still needs an ILB after letting Poz go. How many years until Nix / Gailey can actually compete for the division, if ever?

[thewildrabbit]

Some of us old folks might argue that point! Kelly was the only HoF QB, but Jack Kemp and Joe Ferguson were definitely "franchise" guys who led the team for a lot of years and to a fair bit of success!

You mean Joe "hang my head after every bad pass" Ferguson?

 

Joe,12 years with the Bills, two years at 9-5 in 74-75 and 2nd in the division to Miami. Then finally rode Chuck Knox's coattails to the playoffs again in 80-81. 79-92 just isn't what I'd call "franchise" type numbers

 

Kemp OTOH won Championships, The AFL, but still. League MVP, 7 time all star out of 10 years, played in 5 Championship games and won 2

[bobobonators]

i've watched Cam Newton play, he looks good good at 2-7. RGIII looks super at 3-7; Sam Bradford is stellar at 3-5; Stafford at 4-5; Gabbert at 1-8; Weeden at 2-7; Tannehill at 4-6; etc.

 

Luck has been solid but look at the Colts' remaining games - they won't be above .500 much longer.

 

All these QB's taken in the last 2 years or so aren't doing crap to put wins up for their teams.

Keep ripping on me all you want, but I like Fitz and the understanding he and Gailey have of this offense. Fitz is only 29, it's not like the guy is 35 and there's no hope for the future. Keep adding to the offense by upgrading at WR and adding to the OL. Above all, add to the defense/LB, especially.

[Bronc24]

i've watched Cam Newton play, he looks good good at 2-7. RGIII looks super at 3-7; Sam Bradford is stellar at 3-5; Stafford at 4-5; Gabbert at 1-8; Weeden at 2-7; Tannehill at 4-6; etc.

 

Luck has been solid but look at the Colts' remaining games - they won't be above .500 much longer.

 

All these QB's taken in the last 2 years or so aren't doing crap to put wins up for their teams.

Keep ripping on me all you want, but I like Fitz and the understanding he and Gailey have of this offense. Fitz is only 29, it's not like the guy is 35 and there's no hope for the future. Keep adding to the offense by upgrading at WR and adding to the OL. Above all, add to the defense/LB, especially.

 

So, just so I understand you correctly, are you saying you would rather have Fitz than Newton, RGIII and Stafford?

[bobobonators]

So, just so I understand you correctly, are you saying you would rather have Fitz than Newton, RGIII and Stafford?

 

Stafford has probably the best WR in the NFL and he has seriously looked questionable at times. He's been around now a few years and the lions have yet to get over the hump.

 

Newton could possibly be a complete headcase and his record/stats speak for themselves.

 

RGIII I like a lot, but we'll see how healthy his career is..

 

What I'm saying is that I feel this offense can be successful with the offensive scheme in place and Fitz running it.

 

I'd obviously take Luck in a heartbeat..

[NoSaint]

Remind me what can't miss ILBs like Aaron curry and rolando McClain did?

 

What about Ernie sims? AJ hawk?

 

Mayo has been good but top ten good?

 

Keith rivers?

 

Just saying, for all those saying not all qbs pan out

 

I wouldn't trade a supposedly so-so qb like being discussed for 3 of those guys. Qbs are just far more important.

Edited November 18, 2012 by NoSaint

[Ba Ba Ba Buffalo Bills]

Notre Dame is overrated and all their players are too. Teo will be average in the NFL. Best QB in the draft is the obvious decision.

[KD in CA]

Notre Dame is overrated and all their players are too. Teo will be average in the NFL. Best QB in the draft is the obvious decision.

 

What a laughably ignorant statement.

[Ba Ba Ba Buffalo Bills]

What a laughably ignorant statement.

 

You heard it here first. KD In CT ND HOMER. Jarvis Jones.

Edited November 18, 2012 by Ba Ba Ba Buffalo Bills

[KD in CA]

http://www.pro-footb...ame/drafted.htm

 

Theres my football "IQ". Besides Justin Tuck, and MAYBE unproven rookies, Floyd and Harrison Smith. Who has been relevant from that "overrated" university in the past 10+ years? Moron.

 

~30 ND players in the NFL so not sure what you are blathering about now. Regardless, that has NOTHING to do with your ignorant statement that ALL players on the current team are overrated.

 

If you think ALL players on ANY team are overrated, you obviously don't know what the word means. Are you 13? Do your parents know you're on the internet unsupervised?

[FireChan]

 

 

~30 ND players in the NFL so not sure what you are blathering about now. Regardless, that has NOTHING to do with your ignorant statement that ALL players on the current team are overrated.

 

If you think ALL players on ANY team are overrated, you obviously don't know what the word means. Are you 13? Do your parents know you're on the internet unsupervised?

 

http://m.dictionary.com/d/?q=overrated&o=0&l=dir

 

Looks like the definition is to appraise too high or overestimate.

 

So if every players talent is "overestimated"(I used a synonym for you there, let me know if you need that definition too), that must mean that they are assumed better than they really are. Barely any ND players have made any waves in the NFL in the last 20 years.

 

So stick with the facts and leave your childish insults for the playground.

[KD in CA]

http://m.dictionary....rated&o=0&l=dir

 

Looks like the definition is to appraise too high or overestimate.

 

So if every players talent is "overestimated"(I used a synonym for you there, let me know if you need that definition too), that must mean that they are assumed better than they really are. Barely any ND players have made any waves in the NFL in the last 20 years.

 

So stick with the facts and leave your childish insults for the playground.

Imagine that, none of the current ND players have made waves in the NFL.

 

[FireChan]

 

Imagine that, none of the current ND players have made waves in the NFL.

 

 

Past, now I know you're trolling. It's alright though pal, I know it's hard to back up any argument instead of using emoticons.

 

 

[KD in CA]

Past, now I know you're trolling. It's alright though pal, I know it's hard to back up any argument instead of using emoticons.

 

What do the current players have to do with past players?

 

I guess Jonny Manziel is overrated because hardly any Texas A&M players have made 'waves' in the last 20 years, huh?

[FireChan]

 

 

What do the current players have to do with past players?

 

I guess Jonny Manziel is overrated because hardly any Texas A&M players have made 'waves' in the last 20 years, huh?

You know, except the first round QB that plays on the Dolphins right now? Analogies only work when the situations are the same. But again, someone who resorts to name-calling in an argument probably doesn't understand that.

 

Oh, and I didn't realize everyone on ND is a freshman this year. I thought maybe some of them have been playing on the team for the last 3 years, and have had one good season. But that doesn't sound like a recipe for draft busts at all.

Edited November 18, 2012 by FireChan

[KD in CA]

You know, except the first round QB that plays on the Dolphins right now? Analogies only work when the situations are the same. But again, someone who resorts to name-calling in an argument probably doesn't understand that.

Yes, you know, except for him (he looked incredible the other night by the way). I didn't realize that one first round rookie was the difference between players that are still in college being overrated or not.

 

Good job ducking the ridiculous fallacy in your argument that the quantity or quality of NFL players from a school has any bearing on the ones currently at that school.

[FireChan]

 

Yes, you know, except for him (he looked incredible the other night by the way). I didn't realize that one first round rookie was the difference between players that are still in college being overrated or not.

 

Good job ducking the ridiculous fallacy in your argument that the quantity or quality of NFL players from a school has any bearing on the ones currently at that school.

 

One bad game makes a good player bad, huh? And one good season makes an entire team NFL superstars? I guess Tom Brady sucked after losing to Seattle, and Mario Williams is the best DE after our last game.

 

We can sum up our arguments as you being a knee-jerk response kind of person, while I look at the long term. I bet you thought Matt Barkley was phenomenal, but after tonight you hate him.

 

 

[KD in CA]

One bad game makes a good player bad, huh? And one good season makes an entire team NFL superstars? I guess Tom Brady sucked after losing to Seattle, and Mario Williams is the best DE after our last game.

 

We can sum up our arguments as you being a knee-jerk response kind of person, while I look at the long term. I bet you thought Matt Barkley was phenomenal, but after tonight you hate him.

 

Keep running further away from your arguement that you can determine whether college players are overrated by what guys who went to the same school are doing in the NFL. Good move.

[FireChan]

 

 

Keep running further away from your arguement that you can determine whether college players are overrated by what guys who went to the same school are doing in the NFL. Good move.

 

So you don't think Alabama players on the whole are better NFL prospects than players from UB?

 

[KD in CA]

So you don't think Alabama players on the whole are better NFL prospects than players from UB?

 

What kind of stupid strawman is that supposed to be? Because Alabama is better than UB doesn't make the UB players "overrated".

 

Keep trying to dig out of your hole.