vegas55 Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 It's just too easy for all the "experts" out there to insist that Chan is clueless because of his failure to call more running plays. The reality is that this is a passing league, as demonstrated by last years Superbowl, where both teams were last and close to last in the running game. It's noted as well that the only team to beat Houston this year (and beat them badly) was a team that spread them out. Chans offense is all about creating mismatches, and that was done in the passing game. Three consecutive passes to start the 2nd half generated a lot of criticism, but if Chandler doesn't flat out drop an easy pass for an 8 yard gain on first down, the whole dynamic changes. And it was the end of the first half, where the Bills picked up huge chunks of yards in a short period of time, by passing the ball. The fact of the matter is that teams that run the ball real well, who have the NFL's leading rushers, do not have much success in the won loss department. A big difference in the game was that when the Bills got in position to score, Wade brought the blitz in a big way, disrupting their red zone offense. On Houston's last touchdown, on a third down play Schaub had at least 6 seconds to find an open guy, as Wanny, for the umpteenth time this year, chooses to play passive on important, red zone plays ( ie see Titans game). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Chan's a pretty intelligent football guy so i think some of his "cluelessness" in these post game press conferences is intentional. I just think he tries to hide alot from the media so he comes off sounding bad (like this Mario Williams injury thing,,,,or you can't run on Houston's front 7 in the box). I think Chan is probably disappointed in the ability of his receivers. He probably thought in July that these guys would really step up. He's also probably disappointed in Fitz but would never admit it. Bottom line...the Bills need chunk plays to win. All NFL teams do. You can't count on a bunch of 10, 12, 14 play drives in a game. Too much can go wrong to derail those long drives. Need to see more CJ Spiller in space. He seems to be the only one that can break something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 It seems to be taken as gospel among most Bills followers that the O-line is a strength of the team. If this is really the case (which I'm not sure of BTW) why not test out that thesis some week and go against tendency to boot, by just committing to smashmouth football? Or would success with that approach require Gailey to rethink his entire offensive philosophy? And gee, we don't want that. It seems to be taken as gospel among most Bills followers that the O-line is a strength of the team. If this is really the case (which I'm not sure of BTW) why not test out that thesis some week and go against tendency to boot, by just committing to smashmouth football? Or would success with that approach require Gailey to rethink his entire offensive philosophy? And gee, we don't want that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bananathumb Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 You destroyed your argument when you mentioned that Wanny failed to blitz in the red zone. Chan is the head coach and does nothing about his hopeless DC. How can you defend Chan by pointing out his weakness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 the same way Payton did nothing about double G's defense last year. You hire guys and let them do their job, if they can't handle it you make a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas55 Posted November 7, 2012 Author Share Posted November 7, 2012 Clearly Chans expertise is offense, and he leaves the defense to Wanny. That's not unusual in the NFL. It would also be extremely unusual for a head coach to intervene in the middle of a game and over ride a defensive call by his DC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Clearly Chans expertise is offense, and he leaves the defense to Wanny. That's not unusual in the NFL. It would also be extremely unusual for a head coach to intervene in the middle of a game and over ride a defensive call by his DC. Yeah a head coach isn't in charge of the whole team and has final say. That would be a... super mega head coach? Do we have one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Yeah a head coach isn't in charge of the whole team and has final say. That would be a... super mega head coach? Do we have one? Super mega coach? Dude, Gailey is "mega-mind" according to some here. Isn't that just awesome? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 (edited) Do you really not get the difference between the Giants, Pats, Packers and the Bills? Teams that hv top QBs can win without a great running game teams that don't can't, it's as simple as that. Making Fitz the emphasis of this offense is beyond dumb As far as ur argument about teams that run the ball not having success in the won loss column Arian Foster leads the league in carries per game and what's their record? Edited November 7, 2012 by Max997 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 It's just too easy for all the "experts" out there to insist that Chan is clueless because of his failure to call more running plays. The reality is that this is a passing league, as demonstrated by last years Superbowl, where both teams were last and close to last in the running game. It's noted as well that the only team to beat Houston this year (and beat them badly) was a team that spread them out. Chans offense is all about creating mismatches, and that was done in the passing game. Three consecutive passes to start the 2nd half generated a lot of criticism, but if Chandler doesn't flat out drop an easy pass for an 8 yard gain on first down, the whole dynamic changes. And it was the end of the first half, where the Bills picked up huge chunks of yards in a short period of time, by passing the ball. The fact of the matter is that teams that run the ball real well, who have the NFL's leading rushers, do not have much success in the won loss department. A big difference in the game was that when the Bills got in position to score, Wade brought the blitz in a big way, disrupting their red zone offense. On Houston's last touchdown, on a third down play Schaub had at least 6 seconds to find an open guy, as Wanny, for the umpteenth time this year, chooses to play passive on important, red zone plays ( ie see Titans game). You lost in the thread title..."In defense of Chan" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Thumbs down. Chan does the wrong thing way way too often. He's like the coach in the water boy before he found his mojo. The texans wouldn't let us run. The patriots wouldn't let us pass. Gailey has failed period Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's in My Blood Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 (edited) Yeah a head coach isn't in charge of the whole team and has final say. That would be a... super mega head coach? Do we have one? Do you think anybody else besides Nolan or Wade call their plays? Nope. I'm not comparing Wanny to these coaches, but the majority of DCs usually call their own plays. Edited November 7, 2012 by It's in My Blood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Beard Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 The past two games (especially the Titans game) Chan seems to have called for the empty backfield a little less than he has in previous games (I don't have statistics, it's just a gut feel based on watching the games). The tight end gets a lot of short passes thrown his way. The offense has consistently scored 20+ points, which isn't too bad. FItz handcuffs the plays that can be called with his accuracy problems. The quick release pass plays help disguise some weaknesses with the offensive line. All of this seems to indicate that Chan isn't totally inept with the design of the offense. However, those long passes on third and short, the insistence on wasting a few plays each game with the wildcat, and the abandonment of the running game at the first sign of trouble are all reasons to become frustrated with him and to curse him during the game. I won't even discuss the fact that the head coach should be concerned with the horrible defense, but apparently Chan is satisfied by delegating that. In the Navy, a ship's captain is responsible for everything that goes on aboard ship. I believe a HEAD coach should be responsible for something that has gone as horribly wrong as this defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealityCheck Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Chan is not a genius, but if this team had a high quality QB then he would at least appear to be one. Fitz simply cannot drop the ball in between 2 defenders with any kind of precision. The other QBs on the team are garbage too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ko12010 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Do you really not get the difference between the Giants, Pats, Packers and the Bills? Teams that hv top QBs can win without a great running game teams that don't can't, it's as simple as that. Making Fitz the emphasis of this offense is beyond dumb As far as ur argument about teams that run the ball not having success in the won loss column Arian Foster leads the league in carries per game and what's their record? The thing is, you just proved something significant with your post here. Yes, there is a stark difference between the quality of QB on the Giants, Pats, Packers and Bills. But...this is a 32 team league, not a 4 team one. There are 28 other teams out there in our position in that area. If your mindset is that the Bills' brass need to do whatever they can to address this, that makes sense. But don't act like they're ignoring it on purpose. It's not easy to accomplish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 (edited) The thing is, you just proved something significant with your post here. Yes, there is a stark difference between the quality of QB on the Giants, Pats, Packers and Bills. But...this is a 32 team league, not a 4 team one. There are 28 other teams out there in our position in that area. If your mindset is that the Bills' brass need to do whatever they can to address this, that makes sense. But don't act like they're ignoring it on purpose. It's not easy to accomplish. What I proved is that the OP's defense of Chan based on what those other 3 teams do is severely flawed and that you still need to run the ball to win especially when you hv a below average QB and two pretty good running backs I dont know what you took from that but it seems like u missed the entire point of the conversation Edited November 8, 2012 by Max997 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Angel Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 We need to find ways to get the ball in CJ's hands wether by the run or pass...like when Fred was injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 It's just too easy for all the "experts" out there to insist that Chan is clueless because of his failure to call more running plays. The reality is that this is a passing league, as demonstrated by last years Superbowl, where both teams were last and close to last in the running game. It's noted as well that the only team to beat Houston this year (and beat them badly) was a team that spread them out. Chans offense is all about creating mismatches, and that was done in the passing game. Three consecutive passes to start the 2nd half generated a lot of criticism, but if Chandler doesn't flat out drop an easy pass for an 8 yard gain on first down, the whole dynamic changes. And it was the end of the first half, where the Bills picked up huge chunks of yards in a short period of time, by passing the ball. The fact of the matter is that teams that run the ball real well, who have the NFL's leading rushers, do not have much success in the won loss department. A big difference in the game was that when the Bills got in position to score, Wade brought the blitz in a big way, disrupting their red zone offense. On Houston's last touchdown, on a third down play Schaub had at least 6 seconds to find an open guy, as Wanny, for the umpteenth time this year, chooses to play passive on important, red zone plays ( ie see Titans game). I agree completely. Another point-- Gailey does a great job using the pass to set up the run. We saw this more often last year, where he'd run a lot more shotgun draws, etc., but we've seen it at times this year, as well. Query whether we'd be as good running the ball if we just lined up and tried to do it against 7, 8-man fronts. It's almost like people have blacked out the entire Jauron era. The offense we have now is about a million times better. They are very effective in the redzone. Some more consistent play by the players and Gailey will start looking a lot better again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 I agree completely. Another point-- Gailey does a great job using the pass to set up the run. We saw this more often last year, where he'd run a lot more shotgun draws, etc., but we've seen it at times this year, as well. Query whether we'd be as good running the ball if we just lined up and tried to do it against 7, 8-man fronts. It's almost like people have blacked out the entire Jauron era. The offense we have now is about a million times better. They are very effective in the redzone. Some more consistent play by the players and Gailey will start looking a lot better again. Are you seriously blaming the players without any fault to Chan? How do you go an entire game without a single play to the endzone or only call 3 running plays the entire second half in a close game? Guess that was players fault too Just bc offense is better under Chan then it was under Jauron doesn't mean it's good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section242 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 In defense of Chan he probably should be an OC at the college level. The Bills best player is Spiller. They had him on the field less than T.J. Grahem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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