peterpan Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 Shoulda thought of that when Bush was sending $600 to every taxpayer just prior to his reelection I sure as hell never got that check! But I did get Obamas 8k homebuyers credit. Thanks for paying my mortgage boys! The United States or Israel to bomb Iran before the end of 2013 I personally believe that Israel would have already bombed Iran if we didn't make them be our little lap dog. Then us and Israel would have gotten what we want years ago- a nuclear free Iran - without America having to step in and do anything.
Hazed and Amuzed Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 Am I better off than 4 years ago? Yes, because I take personal responsibility for my situation. Is the United States as a country better off than 4 years ago? That's the real question... ^^^^^^This x1000 Also i took the quiz, Gary Johnson would get my vote if I were to vote
Dopey Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 (edited) I sure as hell never got that check! But I did get Obamas 8k homebuyers credit. Thanks for paying my mortgage boys! I personally believe that Israel would have already bombed Iran if we didn't make them be our little lap dog. Then us and Israel would have gotten what we want years ago- a nuclear free Iran - without America having to step in and do anything. I also got the 8K. I used like Obama thought most would. I bought stuff for the house and saved a little. Imagine how much worse the housing market would have been without the 8k? As for thanks for paying your mortgage, what did you buy an $8,000 home? Edited November 6, 2012 by Dopey
buffaloboyinATL Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 http://www.isidewith.com/ check out this site most voters will be surprised by the results be sure to check out the 3rd answer option which has other more specific alternatives This confirmed my stance. Romney it is... Time to go vote.
peterpan Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 Imagine how much worse the housing market would have been without the 8k? As for thanks for paying your mortgage, what did you buy an $8,000 home? I am in real estate my man, the housing market is completely unchanged with Obamas silly credit, in fact it made it much worse for the few months after it ended. The credit didnt create more home buyers, it simply accelerated them into the future, which left no buyers post credit. But we are billions more in debt because of it. And no my house was not 8 k, but considering my mortgage payment is only 600 a month, that covered the first year + where middle class Americas worse off than I got stuck paying the bill.
DJasper Probincrux III Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 Is the United States as a country better off than 4 years ago? That's the real question... Well, in November of 2008 the banks had just imploded, Bush has just done TARP, the Dow was dropping like a stone and the economy had been in recession for almost a year and was accelerating downward. Today the Dow is back close to all-time highs, banks are no longer in danger, the economy is getting marginally better and unemployment is down somewhat. The auto industry is doing much better, construction is still crap and housing is still lagging. We increased our National Debt by over 30% during this process some of which helped, most of which didn't. The recession ended and the GDP is up a bit and worker productivity is up but hiring is slow. Nothing is growing in leaps and bounds but it also stopped falling off the planet and it showed some resiliency when the Eurozone shat all over itself this year. The country is by any measure doing better today than it was in November 2008, the question really is is it doing better in spite of the current administration or because of it.
peterpan Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 Today the Dow is back close to all-time highs The Dow isn't up. The US Dollar is down. Big difference.
BUFFALOTONE Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 Al Sharpton - When asked what he thought about the abortion bill Al responded " I was going to pay it"..... Thank you thank you, the 1130 show is completely different from the 830 show....try the veal...
Quester74 Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 Am I better off than 4 years ago? Yes, because I take personal responsibility for my situation. Is the United States as a country better off than 4 years ago? That's the real question... Excellent post. +1 to you, sir.
DJasper Probincrux III Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 The Dow isn't up. The US Dollar is down. Big difference. "The Dollar is down" is a relative statement and depends on which other currency you're speaking of. Your statement really applies to inflation. Well, the Dow closed at 8696 on November 6, 2008. yesterday it closed at 13175. That's 66% improvement. There has not been 66% of currency inflation in the last 4 years. The cumulative inflation rate over that period has been 7.5% As for the dollar 11/5/2008 Euro = $1.330 Yen = $0.010 (This exchange is typically shown in the other direction 1USD to 98.95JPY) Pound = $1.61 11/5/2012 Euro = $1.28 US dollar is up Yen = $0.012 US dollar is down (This exchange is typically shown in the other direction 1USD to 80.30JPY) Pound = $1.59 US dollar is up So the Dollar is up against 2 major currencies and down against a third. Not to enter an economics debate, but it could also be argued the a weaker dollar vs. the yen helps US domestic industry by making imports more expensive by comparison and encouraging foreign investments in the US. I'm just presenting the numbers, they are what they are.
BiggieScooby Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 I personally am more liberal than Obama, but since we have only 2 parties Obama gets my vote even though I'm here in South Carolina.
KD in CA Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 Voting in NY is such a joke. I walked in, told them my name, and that’s it. They asked for no ID, no piece of mail, they didn't even verbally confirm where I lived. Anyone could have walked in and told them my name and voted in my stead, or me in theirs. Thank goodness they didn't rob you of your dignity by asking for ID!!
dbringer Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 After being bombarded with ads for the congressional battle between Collins & Hochul, I walk into my polling place to discover with re-districting that is no longer my district. WTF!!! Ed Hochuli is running for Congress? Who knew?
Charles Romes Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 The only thing I know about politics is that it claimed our emerging 26 year old starting right tackle. Irritates me to this day. Could have been developing some linebackers if he stayed.
Mark Vader Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 Thank goodness they didn't rob you of your dignity by asking for ID!! They don't ask for your ID out here in California either. Although just like New York, your vote doesn't really count here as well.
Orton's Arm Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 If Obama wins, it will be four more years of the Bills using first round picks on first-contract-and-out DBs, or RBs who get replaced every 3.5 years. It will be four more years of no real quarterback, no real defensive coordinator, and an inept owner. If Romney wins, the Bills will obtain a franchise QB and a top tier coaching staff. Mario's wrist will heal, and he will become the player we'd all hoped for.
Trader Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 look at every dollar the government spends and ask ourselves. Is this worth putting my children, my grandchildren and and their children in debt to China for?
DJasper Probincrux III Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 Thank goodness they didn't rob you of your dignity by asking for ID!! I'm of two minds about this and I haven't reconciled my position yet. 1. We've managed to run the country for a very long time without required photo ID for voting. 2. It does seem a little crazy that we don't ask for it. look at every dollar the government spends and ask ourselves. Is this worth putting my children, my grandchildren and and their children in debt to China for? That needs to include dollars that we spend by cutting taxes without cutting expenditures. Neither party is proposing anything remotely like fiscal responsibility.
Just in Atlanta Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 (edited) I'll rehash what I said on Breaking the Law today--Whoever wins, the office of the president is taken too seriously. He, thankfully, cannot introduce legislation. He, at most, is the figurehead leader abroad. He does "set the tone." But he is simply head of the executive branch of government, one of three federal branches. He cannot solve your problems with regulation. But his signature might make them worse. He works for you, not the other way around. He is a politician. On another note, surprised also at the love Gary Johnson is getting. Someday, maybe, a Libertarian candidate will be debating next to a D and a R. Think the more realistic option is for freedom lovers to push Republicans to stop being asshats on social issues, and to have them really push for less spending and smarter tax policies, such as the Fair Tax. Democrats seem like a lost cause for anyone who favors freedom over other values, like fairness. They used to stand for freedom. Their platform now is everything but freedom in every way imaginable. Unless all you care about is gay marriage, freedom lovers have two choices--one guy who will take away fewer freedoms and another guy who wants to give more of them back but has no shot of becoming president of his neighborhood association let alone the country. Edited November 6, 2012 by Just in Atlanta
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