coseybedaman Posted November 6, 2012 Author Posted November 6, 2012 I disagree with the OP completely. When your QB is completely useless throwing passes over 15 yards you're offense is easy to gameplan against. Sure, we could have had a couple extra first downs if our recievers made a couple easy catches, but we still would have lost. We were in the scoring position a few times yesterday and I can't remember one throw into the end zone. That's because our QB sucks and refuse to let him throw into the end zone. I don't blame them either. The guy has ZERO touch. He's ok at firing a 1-10 yard pass, but any pass thrown with a trajectory is a duck with no accuracy. If you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you. Our QB is limited and additional weapons would be a waste until we upgrade the position. I can throw a ball more than 15 yards so i will roll the dice that a professional QB can. THE DEEP BALL ISNT IN THE GAMEPLAN! Its not that a quarterback cant throw downfield. Its that we dont have downfield weapons my friend. We have short slant receivers. Thats what we have built in Buffalo. A bunch of receivers that can grab you 6 yard catches and once in a blue moon break a tackle to take it deep You lost me when you started defending Fitz. There is NO LOGICAL argument anyone can ever make to validate Fitz as a solution rather than a problem. Not one. I am also so sick and tired of whiney Fitz ball washers coming on here and the shout box every time Fitz FINALLY makes one good pass or FINALLY has a game where he doesnt turn the ball over 3+ times. His entire body of work says he is not good enough, and go back and watch the game yesterday. Look a the WIDE open SJ running to the sidelines on a route that would be good for a first down where Fitz has plenty of time and misses him by 7 yards forcing us to Punt rather than get a first down. He does that ALL the time. He is GROSSLY inaccurate, always has been, and has no touch on his deeper throws, under throws all the time when going down field, puts the ball in places that will get his receivers killed, misses wide open throws all the time, makes TERRIBLE decisions week in and week out that result in turnovers or punts, etc etc. Anyone who thinks he is not a problem on this team has no idea what a QB is supposed to look like or do out there. That is not even debatable. I mean even Nix is saying we need a true starting QB now. This guy is in no way good enough for this team. Is he the ONLY problem...of course not, but he is a MAJOR problem on this team. Tom Brady and McNabb led their teams to constant division titles, SB's, and SB trophies (Brady) with FAR less talent on their offense than we have, and yet our inept QB still gets excuses made for him as if its the talent around him as to why he sucks. Brady would have busted a nut to get someone like SJ on those SB teams...McNabb would have too considering he really only had one year with a true WR in TO and spent the rest of his career throwing to jokes like Fred Ex and Todd Pinkston. Steve Johnson would have been the #1 WR on all of NE SB victories, would have been the #1 WR on all of McNabbs teams except the one year he had TO on good behavior, and yet Fitz doesnt have enough weapons? Maybe, just Maybe, Fitz just isnt good enough to get the ball to his guys? Fitz sucked with a motivated and behaving TO and Evans to throw too...He sucked with Evans and SJ...He sucks with SJ and whoever else we roll out there. He just sucks way more often than he doesnt...and thats the cold hard facts. I am certainly not a "Fitz ballwasher". You cant win in the NFL without weapons and a good defense. Fitz has shown that he can be that guy. The Bills took the league by storm last season at the beginning of the year. Fitz was the quarterback. Obviously HE CAN DO IT. The pieces need to be around him to do it consistently. If you watched that Texans game and felt that Ryan Fitzpatrick was the reason we couldnt win then I think you need to learn a bit about football. The biggest point I am making here guys is that very rarely does a franchise QB come along in the draft outside the first 3 picks. You can have all of those second tier guys like Russell Wilson, Christian Ponder, Sam Bradford, Gabbert, Tannehill, Sanchez, Dalton, Weeden, Newton, Freeman and try and make them work by putting good weapons around them as well as a good defense. All of these teams are really no better off than we are. We already have that second tier guy in Ryan Fitzpatrick. Why not spend a 1st round pick on getting better weapons than getting another QB to develop for 5 years just to find out he is average. If we could get RG3 or Andrew Luck thats great, but those are rare finds. I say build a better team, and then see if the QB is still inadequate.
Maury Ballstein Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 (edited) I can throw a ball more than 15 yards so i will roll the dice that a professional QB can. THE DEEP BALL ISNT IN THE GAMEPLAN! Its not that a quarterback cant throw downfield. Its that we dont have downfield weapons my friend. We have short slant receivers. Thats what we have built in Buffalo. A bunch of receivers that can grab you 6 yard catches and once in a blue moon break a tackle to take it deep I am certainly not a "Fitz ballwasher". You cant win in the NFL without weapons and a good defense. Fitz has shown that he can be that guy. The Bills took the league by storm last season at the beginning of the year. Fitz was the quarterback. Obviously HE CAN DO IT. The pieces need to be around him to do it consistently. If you watched that Texans game and felt that Ryan Fitzpatrick was the reason we couldnt win then I think you need to learn a bit about football. The biggest point I am making here guys is that very rarely does a franchise QB come along in the draft outside the first 3 picks. You can have all of those second tier guys like Russell Wilson, Christian Ponder, Sam Bradford, Gabbert, Tannehill, Sanchez, Dalton, Weeden, Newton, Freeman and try and make them work by putting good weapons around them as well as a good defense. All of these teams are really no better off than we are. We already have that second tier guy in Ryan Fitzpatrick. Why not spend a 1st round pick on getting better weapons than getting another QB to develop for 5 years just to find out he is average. If we could get RG3 or Andrew Luck thats great, but those are rare finds. I say build a better team, and then see if the QB is still inadequate. :thumbdown: and 17-34 and no arm.........just cut it out he was washed up 3 years ago. Stevie's been wide open for weeks.....Donald Jones has been solid.....RB's are all world......no more excuses Fitz is 2nd worst qb in the league......oh yea i also forgot the key to winning in the NFL a tough OL.....that Fitz wastes what a shame one more of these is needed Edited November 6, 2012 by Ryan L Billz
Hazed and Amuzed Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 I can throw a ball more than 15 yards so i will roll the dice that a professional QB can. THE DEEP BALL ISNT IN THE GAMEPLAN! Its not that a quarterback cant throw downfield. Its that we dont have downfield weapons my friend. We have short slant receivers. Thats what we have built in Buffalo. A bunch of receivers that can grab you 6 yard catches and once in a blue moon break a tackle to take it deep I am certainly not a "Fitz ballwasher". You cant win in the NFL without weapons and a good defense. Fitz has shown that he can be that guy. The Bills took the league by storm last season at the beginning of the year. Fitz was the quarterback. Obviously HE CAN DO IT. The pieces need to be around him to do it consistently. If you watched that Texans game and felt that Ryan Fitzpatrick was the reason we couldnt win then I think you need to learn a bit about football. The biggest point I am making here guys is that very rarely does a franchise QB come along in the draft outside the first 3 picks. You can have all of those second tier guys like Russell Wilson, Christian Ponder, Sam Bradford, Gabbert, Tannehill, Sanchez, Dalton, Weeden, Newton, Freeman and try and make them work by putting good weapons around them as well as a good defense. All of these teams are really no better off than we are. We already have that second tier guy in Ryan Fitzpatrick. Why not spend a 1st round pick on getting better weapons than getting another QB to develop for 5 years just to find out he is average. If we could get RG3 or Andrew Luck thats great, but those are rare finds. I say build a better team, and then see if the QB is still inadequate. Yes and then once teams had a chance to look at the film what happened? Fitz looked very good at the start of last year but it didn't take long to figure him out.
qblax16 Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 Its my opinion that they are worried about CJ getting hurt if he carries the load. I agree, but I'd rather see him given the oppertunity the rest of the way to prove he can/can't carry the load instead of assuming he can't. He might get dingged up, but we'll go back to Freddy, and he'll be fresh and motivated. It's time to give CJ the keys.
BuffaloBobby Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 If Stevie was on the Giants, he would be the #1 receiver in the league. Always open but Fitz can never hit him
dundy249 Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 Points scored in each game this season, 28, 28, 34, 35, 24, 3, 9, 19 .....they should be at a min 6-2 with a half way decent gameplan and coaching staff. They have weapons in Fred, CJ, Stevie a good tight End and overachieving offensive line. They need defense and someone other then porn-stache coaching.
NewEra Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 I can throw a ball more than 15 yards so i will roll the dice that a professional QB can. THE DEEP BALL ISNT IN THE GAMEPLAN! Its not that a quarterback cant throw downfield. Its that we dont have downfield weapons my friend. We have short slant receivers. Thats what we have built in Buffalo. A bunch of receivers that can grab you 6 yard catches and once in a blue moon break a tackle to take it deep I am certainly not a "Fitz ballwasher". You cant win in the NFL without weapons and a good defense. Fitz has shown that he can be that guy. The Bills took the league by storm last season at the beginning of the year. Fitz was the quarterback. Obviously HE CAN DO IT. The pieces need to be around him to do it consistently. If you watched that Texans game and felt that Ryan Fitzpatrick was the reason we couldnt win then I think you need to learn a bit about football. The biggest point I am making here guys is that very rarely does a franchise QB come along in the draft outside the first 3 picks. You can have all of those second tier guys like Russell Wilson, Christian Ponder, Sam Bradford, Gabbert, Tannehill, Sanchez, Dalton, Weeden, Newton, Freeman and try and make them work by putting good weapons around them as well as a good defense. All of these teams are really no better off than we are. We already have that second tier guy in Ryan Fitzpatrick. Why not spend a 1st round pick on getting better weapons than getting another QB to develop for 5 years just to find out he is average. If we could get RG3 or Andrew Luck thats great, but those are rare finds. I say build a better team, and then see if the QB is still inadequate. The deep ball isn't in the gameplan because our QB can't throw an accurate deep ball. Because the deep ball isn't in our gameplan (and because our QB is completely inept at throwing the deep ball), it allows the defense to focus on the short passing game and the run game. That is the problem. You state that fitz wasn't the reason we lost last game. He played a decent game. But what happened when we got to the Houston 22 yard line on 4 different occasions? We had 8 yards of total offense inside the 22 the entire game. EIGHT yards on 4 possessions? We didn't thrown ONE ball into the end zone. Teams with real QBs don't do that. A team with fitz as the QB do that. He is a pedestrian QB that has terrible accuracy after 10 yards. Throw some water on your face.
Billsrhody Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 Points scored in each game this season, 28, 28, 34, 35, 24, 3, 9, 19 .....they should be at a min 6-2 with a half way decent gameplan and coaching staff. They have weapons in Fred, CJ, Stevie a good tight End and overachieving offensive line. They need defense and someone other then porn-stache coaching. You cant make that argument.. teams play defense differently when they're up by 30 points.
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