Gugny Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 OK call me a troll and negative and while you're at it refute my beacon of clarity points. That's all. I re-read my response and, oddly, never saw the word "troll" anywhere in it. If the shoe fits ... Furthermore, this is not about refuting anything. Open your eyes. That. Is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRIGHTI Posted October 31, 2012 Author Share Posted October 31, 2012 Milstein also bid on the Redskins with Snyder, he was rejected by the NFL mainly because of his propensity to sue. Nothing suggests that they would approve him this time around. The site also is smaller than Rich stadiums by 30% and has a lot of buildings / businesss that would have to cleared - it is by no means ideal. Another myth that has to be busted is that Jim Kelly will have anything to do future ownership of this team, just watch the interview he did with Koshinsky. It's not a myth that Jim Kelly is involved somehow, someway. No one is saying HE'S going to be the owner. However, it has been stated time & time again by himslef that he will be involved and do everything he can to secure the Bills future in WNY for years to come. The sight that NFR has may be small, but rest assured, if the remote chance occurs that a stadium will be built in NF, then all of the availble space needed can be acquired. Downtown NF is thirsty for any type of sustained development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete This Account Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 (edited) It was typical Brandon stammering and double speak. One thing that could be gleaned was when asked about Roger's negotiation updates he gave a terse No. That means Rogers is hammering him about price in renewing that deal. Just as I said back in August. I was glad to see that White started to question this nonsense that the present stadium has the best sight-lines in the league. That nonsense ranks up there with Brandin saying the 90's Bills had trouble selling seats in December. This guy is a tool and is the constant is in this thirteen year incompetency. the Bills have had trouble selling out games for the past two decades in December. the numbers say so, not just Russ. jw Edited October 31, 2012 by john wawrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 (edited) It's not a myth that Jim Kelly is involved somehow, someway. No one is saying HE'S going to be the owner. However, it has been stated time & time again by himslef that he will be involved and do everything he can to secure the Bills future in WNY for years to come. The sight that NFR has may be small, but rest assured, if the remote chance occurs that a stadium will be built in NF, then all of the availble space needed can be acquired. Downtown NF is thirsty for any type of sustained development. Any representative of the NFL who is driven from the Robt. Moses Pkwy to this proposed site would turn the car around before he reached the casino. There is no way the league would allow a stadium in this urban wasteland. If there was to be a new stadium, put it in Buffalo--forget about "Southern Ontario". If the goal is to fill the stadium, put a winning team in it. Edited October 31, 2012 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRIGHTI Posted October 31, 2012 Author Share Posted October 31, 2012 (edited) Any representative of the NFL who is driven from the Robt. Moses Pkwy to this proposed site would turn the car around before he reached the casino. There is no way the league would allow a stadium in this urban wasteland. If there was to be a new stadium, put it in Buffalo--forget about "Southern Ontario". If the goal is to fill the stadium, put a winning team in it. Yes, Buffalo doesn't resemble an urban wasteland at all. "Southern Ontario" along with Rochester represents a large percentage of season ticket holders as well as many corporate sponsorships critical to the team's economic success. As I've stated before, while NF may not be the most ideal spot for a new stadium, it is much closer to this critical fan base you seem to think is unimportant. And the urban wasteland you referred to manages to attract over 25 million vistiors a year. I doubt that many are flocking to Buffalo for chicken wings. Yes, there are some rough parts here and there but it is certanily no worse than downtown Buffalo. The original post of this thread is about a lease renewal...the stadium business is ancilllary and not happeneing until ownership changes. They could build the stadium in the lake, keep it in OP, or downtown NF... as long as it keeps the Bills in WNY is the most important thing....for all of us. Stop the hating. Edited October 31, 2012 by IRIGHTI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete This Account Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 (edited) hey, who's giving out the monikers? i didn't know we could do that? if what's his name gets "beacon of clarity," can we get some fancy nicknames, too like: "flashlight of futility." "lightbulb of lucidity." "candle of catastrophe." "kerosene lamp of laughter." "inkstain of ineptitude." "spotlight of substance." "burning match of fire." "sun of a gun." feel free to use. jw Edited October 31, 2012 by john wawrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 the Bills have had trouble selling out games for the past two decades in December. the numbers say so, not just Russ. jw Sorry dude that dog don't hunt. Someone else posted the wikapedia about attendence in the late eighties thru late nineties, showed consistent attendance around 75k per game, despite the fact that they played 11-12 home games per year - remenber they went to the playoffs then. Thus they had an inventory of tickets of up to 960k per year versus the present low inventory of 585 k per year, not even a remote comparion. It's why this Rogers negotiation is so troublesome, if they bail he's got another 73k that he has to sell, his blackouts start in October. Brandon stammers a lot of half truths to extreme falsehoods and this one of the myths of hisd that I've busted ! hey, who's giving out the monikers? i didn't know we could do that? if what's his name gets "beacon of clarity," can we get some fancy nicknames, too like: "flashlight of futility." "lightbulb of lucidity." "candle of catastrophe." "kerosene lamp of laughter." "inkstain of ineptitude." "spotlight of substance." "burning match of fire." "sun of a gun." feel free to use. jw No, for now I'll stick with Beacon of Clarity. That's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete This Account Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 (edited) Sorry dude that dog don't hunt. Someone else posted the wikapedia about attendence in the late eighties thru late nineties, showed consistent attendance around 75k per game, despite the fact that they played 11-12 home games per year - remenber they went to the playoffs then. Thus they had an inventory of tickets of up to 960k per year versus the present low inventory of 585 k per year, not even a remote comparion. It's why this Rogers negotiation is so troublesome, if they bail he's got another 73k that he has to sell, his blackouts start in October. Brandon stammers a lot of half truths to extreme falsehoods and this one of the myths of hisd that I've busted ! No, for now I'll stick with Beacon of Clarity. That's all. wrong. the numbers are the numbers. check out the december numbers. there's several 45,000 attendances in there. look at the numbers, not wikipedia. check and see how there were 61,900 for the Bills division playoff against the Raiders in 1994. or 56,000 showed up to the season finale the following season, a combined total of 89,000 showed up for the Bills final two home games of the 1997 season. 62,000 showed up for the 1999 season finale. or explain to me how only 70,000 -- a nonsellout -- showed up to what proved to be Jim Kelly's final game. say what you will about 70,000 not being a sellout, and how it would be today, but Western New York is a far smaller place than it was 15 years ago. the numbers are the numbers. you raised the point first by accusing Russ Brandon of being wrong when saying about 55 percent of the Bills home games in Decmeber in the 1990s were not sellouts. he's correct in saying that. you are wrong for suggesting different. beacon of clarity, my butt. baloney's more like it. jw Edited October 31, 2012 by john wawrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 wrong. the numbers are the numbers. check out the december numbers. there's several 45,000 attendances in there. look at the numbers, not wikipedia. check and see how there were 61,900 for the Bills division playoff against the Raiders in 1994. or 56,000 showed up to the season finale the following season, a combined total of 89,000 showed up for the Bills final two home games of the 1997 season. 62,000 showed up for the 1999 season finale. or explain to me how only 70,000 -- a nonsellout -- showed up to what proved to be Jim Kelly's final game. say what you will about 70,000 not being a sellout, and how it would be today, but Western New York is a far smaller place than it was 15 years ago. the numbers are the numbers, and you challenged Russ Brandon as saying he was wrong in saying about 55 percent of the Bills home games in Decmeber in the 1990s were not sellouts. they weren't. beacon of clarity, my butt. baloney's more like it. jw he just served you, son..... he B**** slapped ya with the truth... how does it feel Joe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWest Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Brandon is a tool and widely disliked. The guy cozied up to Wilson for years, so now he is only one of the few people Wilson trusts...so much so that he was able to convince the old man he should take on the GM role. Dont trust this turd-people who have worked with him hate him-he's an egotistical doosh...He is doing whatever he can to hold onto his position because he knows when Wilson is gone -so is Brandon- but Im sure he convinced the old man he should get a piece of the action when he helps sell the team after Wilson dies...he's a F'ing salesman for god's sakes and he would sell you and the Bills down the river in a heartbeat to his benefit...he is heaped with praise for regionalizing the team-Big deal. Anyone with a brain would have done the same. He came in when the region was coming off the euphoria of a decade of winning. Under his watch as president or whatever his title is-the team has never been worse off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsWatch Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 You must admit, it's pretty funny that one of their development sites is "The Tutrle", which was built with gobs of public money as the "Native American Center for the Living Arts" and went bankrupt almost immediately and has been sitting empty for 20 years. And now, a developer in Buffalo wants to build a new stadium on the Buffalo waterfront and wants to build a museum (Strong Museum of Play) next to it, to allegedly draw people to the site. I actually went to "The Turtle" before it closed with my Mrs not long after we were married. I thought it was a nice place and had good food. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 wrong. the numbers are the numbers. check out the december numbers. there's several 45,000 attendances in there. look at the numbers, not wikipedia. check and see how there were 61,900 for the Bills division playoff against the Raiders in 1994. or 56,000 showed up to the season finale the following season, a combined total of 89,000 showed up for the Bills final two home games of the 1997 season. 62,000 showed up for the 1999 season finale. or explain to me how only 70,000 -- a nonsellout -- showed up to what proved to be Jim Kelly's final game. say what you will about 70,000 not being a sellout, and how it would be today, but Western New York is a far smaller place than it was 15 years ago. the numbers are the numbers, and you challenged Russ Brandon as saying he was wrong in saying about 55 percent of the Bills home games in Decmeber in the 1990s were not sellouts. they weren't. beacon of clarity, my butt. baloney's more like it. jw Hmmm the raiders playoff game and 200 finale were both sellouts. The Raiders game ws played in Zero degrees thus the low turnstile atendance, both games were televised. Thus your sample is reduced to three games. Branon implies in his staement that there was the same level of difficulty in selling tickets in the nineties - just not true. I'll stick with Beacon of Clarity. Thank you. JW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Dim Bulb of Baloney has a ring to it. And it ties in with my Bacon of Clarity theme. Laser of Lunch Meat? GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 he just served you, son..... he B**** slapped ya with the truth... how does it feel Joe? See my reply, Son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsWatch Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 It was typical Brandon stammering and double speak. One thing that could be gleaned was when asked about Roger's negotiation updates he gave a terse No. That means Rogers is hammering him about price in renewing that deal. Just as I said back in August. I was glad to see that White started to question this nonsense that the present stadium has the best sight-lines in the league. That nonsense ranks up there with Brandin saying the 90's Bills had trouble selling seats in December. This guy is a tool and is the constant is in this thirteen year incompetency. Bills did not sell out it December fairly often in 1990's and even playoffs were not all sold out. Looks like a post written by a dull tool with an agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete This Account Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Hmmm the raiders playoff game and 200 finale were both sellouts. The Raiders game ws played in Zero degrees thus the low turnstile atendance, both games were televised. Thus your sample is reduced to three games. Branon implies in his staement that there was the same level of difficulty in selling tickets in the nineties - just not true. I'll stick with Beacon of Clarity. Thank you. JW bubba, i've got the numbers right here in front of me. you realize they played the Raiders twice in the playoffs, right? one was a sellout, the other was not. as for the 200 finale, well, there was no football played here or anywhere else that we know of. however, if you're referring to the 1999 season finale, only 61,959 showed up for that one. if you're referring to the 2000 season finale, well, only 47,230 showed up to that one. you're' wrong. fully, entirely, absolutely, completely and mistakenly, off the mark, utterly dead wrong. jw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 I went and cooked some popcorn so I can continue to watch John verbally ubuse Joe with his (correct) stats and logic.....might need to get some beer, too.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 I shall be the "kerosene lamp of laughter," from this point forward. In the words of the most overrated singer/songwriter in music history ... come on, baby, light my fire. bubba, i've got the numbers right here in front of me. you realize they played the Raiders twice in the playoffs, right? one was a sellout, the other was not. as for the 200 finale, well, there was no football played here or anywhere else that we know of. however, if you're referring to the 1999 season finale, only 61,959 showed up for that one. if you're referring to the 2000 season finale, well, only 47,230 showed up to that one. you're' wrong. fully, entirely, absolutely, completely and mistakenly, off the mark, utterly dead wrong. jw I have only seen blatantly fabricated statistics like Joe W.'s from one other poster ... rhymes with "Booger." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 bubba, i've got the numbers right here in front of me. you realize they played the Raiders twice in the playoffs, right? one was a sellout, the other was not. as for the 200 finale, well, there was no football played here or anywhere else that we know of. however, if you're referring to the 1999 season finale, only 61,959 showed up for that one. if you're referring to the 2000 season finale, well, only 47,230 showed up to that one. you're' wrong. fully, entirely, absolutely, completely and mistakenly, off the mark, utterly dead wrong. jw Well aware that they played Raiders twice, the second was played in in -15 wind chill, it was televised ergo all tickets were sold. 1999 season finale was played in year 2000, also televised - it was Rob Johnson's big game. Your confusing turnstile atendance with tickets sold. Beacon of clarity - JW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Well aware that they played Raiders twice, the second was played in in -15 wind chill, it was televised ergo all tickets were sold. 1999 season finale was played in year 2000, also televised - it was Rob Johnson's big game. Your confusing turnstile atendance with tickets sold. Beacon of clarity - JW Sellout is not necessary for a game to be televised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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