jamestown-cuse Posted October 24, 2012 Posted October 24, 2012 Every time I look at the 1st round in the 2011 draft I throw up in my mouth a little bit. I'm not ready to believe that this young man can't be a difference maker but if you look at the list and the guys we had a shot at that are making a big impact every Sunday in the NFL, you probably will too, http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/index
boyst Posted October 24, 2012 Posted October 24, 2012 I am not saying he is a bust, either, but this post is definitely off the wall...I mean, it's not even out of left field. rookies!
Marcelstephon Posted October 25, 2012 Posted October 25, 2012 Every time I look at the 1st round in the 2011 draft I throw up in my mouth a little bit. I'm not ready to believe that this young man can't be a difference maker but if you look at the list and the guys we had a shot at that are making a big impact every Sunday in the NFL, you probably will too, http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/index Your over reacting sir, take a breath
mannc Posted October 25, 2012 Posted October 25, 2012 Every time I look at the 1st round in the 2011 draft I throw up in my mouth a little bit. I'm not ready to believe that this young man can't be a difference maker but if you look at the list and the guys we had a shot at that are making a big impact every Sunday in the NFL, you probably will too, http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/index Off the top of my head, there are at least seven players selected after marcel that would have been better picks. How is the orignal post an over-reaction?
Offside Number 76 Posted October 25, 2012 Posted October 25, 2012 Off the top of my head, there are at least seven players selected after marcel that would have been better picks. How is the orignal post an over-reaction? Stop it. Even with your math, which probably includes guys like Christian Ponder, everyone from that class is unproven.There is nothing to suggest that Dareus is a bust (which, because of, and not in spite of, the OP's thread title, is EXACTLY he was suggesting), much less that he was drafted too early, at this point in his career or in the career of anyone else in the 2011 draft class.
marcre Posted October 25, 2012 Posted October 25, 2012 He's definitely got bust potential at this point.
BringBackFergy Posted October 25, 2012 Posted October 25, 2012 In hind sight (right this moment) I'd take JJ Watt or Pat Peterson over MD...Von Miller was off the board so he doesn't factor into this at all. But MD may explode with containment, pressure, sacks at any moment so I'm ok with the pick...I'll revisit this issue next year after games 1-7.
Garion Posted October 25, 2012 Posted October 25, 2012 I have worries myself. He doesn't have to be a complete player but look at wgr550s grading of the line play after each game he isn't doing well at all.
vincec Posted October 25, 2012 Posted October 25, 2012 I'm not worried about Dareus long term. He's having some issues this season but I'm confident he will pull out of it. I suspect that some of it is psychological. He's well down the list of problems on defense.
K-9 Posted October 25, 2012 Posted October 25, 2012 I hate hindsight analysis. It's the most futile argument one can make. GO BILLS!!!
mannc Posted October 25, 2012 Posted October 25, 2012 (edited) Stop it. Even with your math, which probably includes guys like Christian Ponder, everyone from that class is unproven.There is nothing to suggest that Dareus is a bust (which, because of, and not in spite of, the OP's thread title, is EXACTLY he was suggesting), much less that he was drafted too early, at this point in his career or in the career of anyone else in the 2011 draft class. No, I was not thinking of Ponder, but now that you mention it . . . . Not sure how you can say "there is nothing to suggest that Dareus is a bust." There is actually quite a bit of evidence that he is headed to Bustville, namely the first seven games of this season and the oveall lack of impact he had last year. That is certainly not "nothing". In the meantime, Aldon Smith, JJ Watt, Julius Jones, Patrick Peterson, AJ Green, and Kerrigan are well on their way to establishing themselves as perrenial Pro Bowl players. Time to face the facts. Care to argue any of the above named players? Edited October 25, 2012 by mannc
Offside Number 76 Posted October 25, 2012 Posted October 25, 2012 No, I was not thinking of Ponder, but now that you mention it . . . . Not sure how you can say "there is nothing to suggest that Dareus is a bust." There is actually quite a bit of evidence that he is headed to Bustville, namely the first seven games of this season and the oveall lack of impact he had last year. That is certainly not "nothing". In the meantime, Aldon Smith, JJ Watt, Julius Jones, Patrick Peterson, AJ Green, and Kerrigan are well on their way to establishing themselves as perrenial Pro Bowl players. Time to face the facts. Care to argue any of the above named players? Perennial pro-bowl players. What would you have thought of Mario Williams after 1.5 years? Is that what it takes for you? Two pumps and a shake?
FitzShowUsYourTitz Posted October 25, 2012 Posted October 25, 2012 (edited) Every time I look at the 1st round in the 2011 draft I throw up in my mouth a little bit. I'm not ready to believe that this young man can't be a difference maker but if you look at the list and the guys we had a shot at that are making a big impact every Sunday in the NFL, you probably will too, http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/index "I'm not saying Marcell is a bust but...".....I am totally implying it in way I think is very coy. Edited October 25, 2012 by Cville Bills
mannc Posted October 25, 2012 Posted October 25, 2012 Perennial pro-bowl players. What would you have thought of Mario Williams after 1.5 years? Is that what it takes for you? Two pumps and a shake? Do you seriously think any GM in the NFL would trade any of those six players for Dareus right now?
jamestown-cuse Posted October 25, 2012 Author Posted October 25, 2012 I am not saying he is a bust, either, but this post is definitely off the wall...I mean, it's not even out of left field. rookies! It's just a conversation piece tough guy. Take your members only jacket and go play some cricket at your castle in the sky.
Offside Number 76 Posted October 25, 2012 Posted October 25, 2012 Do you seriously think any GM in the NFL would trade any of those six players for Dareus right now? Do you honestly think any GM in the NFL gives "final grades" on a guy after one and a half seasons? And if so, that those grades on Dareus would be negative? "I'm not saying Marcell is a bust but...".....I am totally implying it in what I think is very coy. Right!
BuffOrange Posted October 25, 2012 Posted October 25, 2012 I hate hindsight analysis. It's the most futile argument one can make. GO BILLS!!! Well Ngata > Whitner was foresight and the kool-aid crowd complained every time that was brought up too. Granted, Dareus is different as it was almost unanimous we should take him. But I don't think it's asking too much for our front office to be better at this than random fans on message boards. Sadly they have not been.
BringBackFergy Posted October 25, 2012 Posted October 25, 2012 I hate hindsight analysis. It's the most futile argument one can make. GO BILLS!!! Isn't hindsight analysis a reflection of front office/GM skill in draft selections...for instance, rather than Aaron Maybin, we should have drafted....ohhhh, I don't know, my 72 yr old aunt with a glass eye and a wooden leg.
maddenboy Posted October 25, 2012 Posted October 25, 2012 for anybody not as lazy as me, it would be interesting to go back and look at his college highlight reel before posting a reply here. Sure, nfl caliber offensive linemen, blah blah blah. But SEC caliber linemen. But what I recall is that he was 100% effort in college. Now, notsomuch
jamestown-cuse Posted October 25, 2012 Author Posted October 25, 2012 "I'm not saying Marcell is a bust but...".....I am totally implying it in what I think is very coy. I'm really not saying he's a bust. One would just hope that with being picked so high in the draft we would be at least talking about him as the teams defensive MVP any given week of the year. Do you really feel he's having the same impact on this defense as Von Miller is in Denver. I just don't understand why people try to be confrontational just for the sake of doing so.
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