GG Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 But if George Wilson catches the int.-- the talk is about a team that finds a way to win in the end. What a roller coaster. Doesn't excuse the mismanagement of the defense and the record setting season, when the major goal in the offseason was to fix a bad 2011 defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Our defense has been bad since 2005 , The team has been bad since 2000. The Owner's been bad forever save Bill Polian years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsoldier54 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Gailey has said this numerous times during the press conferences. He doesn't sit in on the defensive meetings and doesn't have much in the defensive game plan. He did imply that if things don't improve he may start asking wtf, but frankly I doubt he knows much about coaching defense at the pro level. That doesn't make any sense. If he is putting together the offensive game plan, he has to understand that team's defense. And conversely if he understands the other team's offense, he should know how to defense it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 (edited) Yeah Soldier and Sisyphous are correct. If you're competent enough to put together offensive game plans as Chan Gailey is, you completely understand pro defenses. His non-involvement in the defense is not a matter of knowledge although it might be a matter of either a hands-off management style or having limited bandwidth. But if George Wilson catches the int.-- the talk is about a team that finds a way to win in the end. What a roller coaster. With regards to the Bills D and Wanny, I don't think anyone here is talking about one game. Edited October 26, 2012 by San Jose Bills Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Based on things I've heard Chan Gailey say, I have a feeling he has 0 input or control over what the Defense does or how it does it. And it's my impression that's how he wants it. I'd look stuff up but I don't have time right now. Just my interpretation of things. That may be. But Chan is the head coach and ultimately has the authority to make changes and the responsibility for the team. He can exercise his authority by delegating it and his responsibility by abdicating control, but ultimately it's his butt on the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 (edited) That may be. But Chan is the head coach and ultimately has the authority to make changes and the responsibility for the team. He can exercise his authority by delegating it and his responsibility by abdicating control, but ultimately it's his butt on the line. True. I too have heard Coach Gailey says he hears what they say on the headset and may offer an opinion here and there, but Coach Wannstedt knows way more about defense than him so he let's Dave handle it. But wouldn't an offensive guru, such as himself, know what works to stop different kinds of offenses? If the defense is having trouble, and he is the head coach, shouldn't he try help? Couldn't he tell Dave we need to start blitzing and being more aggressive? Of course he can. I remember when Tom Landry was coach, if the defense was having trouble, he'd say in the press conferences that he was going to get in the middle of it and help out and did. The defense usually did better after that. It's time for Coach Gailey to do the same. If the defense continues to suck, it's on him (Gailey). Edited October 27, 2012 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 But if George Wilson catches the int.-- the talk is about a team that finds a way to win in the end. What a roller coaster. And if It's and but's were candy and nuts.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 (edited) Yeah Soldier and Sisyphous are correct. If you're competent enough to put together offensive game plans as Chan Gailey is, you completely understand pro defenses. His non-involvement in the defense is not a matter of knowledge although it might be a matter of either a hands-off management style or having limited bandwidth. If this were true, then there would be no difference between offensive and defensive coordinators except for their preferences or arbitrary assignments. I suspect that if you had Chan Gailey coaching the defense and Mike Nolan coaching the offense you'd get some sketchy results. These guys may understand the basics and have some definite ideas on how to attack the other side but that doesn't make them competent to help develop game plans. Edited October 27, 2012 by vincec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PS 56 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 (edited) NFL32 on ESPN said that Wanny is not the problem. If it is not him or the scheme (very vanilla) then one can assume that it is the players. Bad mix. Lazy Vets and green rookies. Kelsay calling out the D is refreshing. Now who is gonna kick them in the pants to get the changes made? Wanny better be up to that task. I don't care what the pundits say...Wanny IS THE PROBLEM. He has been ineffectual for years. Here is an old article from coacheshotseat.com: http://www.coachesho...veWannstedt.htm Note this quote: " It is our opinion that for whatever reason Wannstedt does not have the full respect of his players and coaches, and that lack of respect is directly impacting the ability of Pitt football to fully realize its potential. You can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear just by changing the venue. Wannstedt has to go... Edited October 27, 2012 by sandyclam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Note this quote: " It is our opinion that for whatever reason Wannstedt does not have the full respect of his players and coaches, and that lack of respect is directly impacting the ability of Pitt football to fully realize its potential. So how are they doing since their vast talent has been unchained from Wannstedt's ineptness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 So how are they doing since their vast talent has been unchained from Wannstedt's ineptness? Not very good, an understatement. We hear very little about how the Bils defense feels about their coach. So we really can't say for sure if there is a disconect betweem them. If I judged soley from how they play, I would suspect there might be. They can't be this bad can they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Gailey has said this numerous times during the press conferences. He doesn't sit in on the defensive meetings and doesn't have much in the defensive game plan. He did imply that if things don't improve he may start asking wtf, but frankly I doubt he knows much about coaching defense at the pro level. If you're competent enough to put together offensive game plans as Chan Gailey is, you completely understand pro defenses. His non-involvement in the defense is not a matter of knowledge although it might be a matter of either a hands-off management style or having limited bandwidth. If this were true, then there would be no difference between offensive and defensive coordinators except for their preferences or arbitrary assignments. I suspect that if you had Chan Gailey coaching the defense and Mike Nolan coaching the offense you'd get some sketchy results. These guys may understand the basics and have some definite ideas on how to attack the other side but that doesn't make them competent to help develop game plans. My point is that if Gailey wants to critique and understand the weaknesses of Wanny's defense, he has the ability to critique and understand it. As an offensive coordinator Gailey has the knowledge to understand why his defense sucks. It's only a matter of if he's choosing to pay attention or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 My point is that if Gailey wants to critique and understand the weaknesses of Wanny's defense, he has the ability to critique and understand it. As an offensive coordinator Gailey has the knowledge to understand why his defense sucks. It's only a matter of if he's choosing to pay attention or not. Agreed. And do you think DW has an understanding of what goes on the offensive side of the ball? There is nothing unusual in a HC turning things over to a coordinator, especially when the HC himself is a specialist on one side of the ball. Rex Ryan had no clue what Brian Schottenheimer was doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 My point is that if Gailey wants to critique and understand the weaknesses of Wanny's defense, he has the ability to critique and understand it. As an offensive coordinator Gailey has the knowledge to understand why his defense sucks. It's only a matter of if he's choosing to pay attention or not. This I agree with. I don't think he has any ideas as to how to fix it however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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