dpberr Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 I have to question a play call that has Kyle Williams dropping in to pass coverage. Any coach that calls that sucks and not the player. Exactly.
timba Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 What do you guys think? Is Kyle Williams right? Or is he just toeing the company line? I think Kyle is blaming what he has control over, which makes a lot of sense. He can't do anything about Wannstedt being his DC, but he can affect his play on the field and attempt to inspire the other guys on the field to handle their responsibilities.
RyanC883 Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 You miss Fewell? I even miss George Edwards. wooooooooooooow. NO, Edwards was terrible also. We parade awful coaches through this City. If you miss anyone, miss Wade Phillips and Fewell.
Rubes Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 (edited) So says Nick Barnett. "As far as the schematics of this defense, this is one of the best schemes you can have in the NFL, for me personally. We just didn’t execute. That’s the problem." “As players, we have to take responsibility and go out there and execute. We didn’t, and we shouldn’t be talking about this in Week Seven." Jesus, I'm so tired of hearing the same generic, meaningless bull ****. Seriously, we're about halfway through the season and we don't know how to execute? Not even a little? We're giving up yards and points in unprecedented hoardes. Even a tiny bit of execution would help. Are the players that undisciplined? Edited October 22, 2012 by Rubes
jcbillsfan Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 The defense has been bad. The second half yesterday they were not. They allowed two scores both on short fields following fitz turnovers.
cantankerous Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 Gailey on why no coaching changes will be made... http://blogs.buffalobills.com/2012/10/22/gailey-on-why-no-coaching-changes/ I think Gailey and his staff are fired at the end of the season, if not earlier. I just don't see us winning more than 1-2 more games.
ColdBlueNorth Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 It is coaching when you are unable to put players in a position to succeed or coach up players so that you can see a noticeable improvement in performance from game to game. All these players at one time with the exception of a few walk-ons were top college selections and on most folks draft boards. Look at the Texans for Pete's sake, they were cellar-dwellers and in one year Wade Phillips took them from the bottom to the number 2 defense in the league. The parts were there, but they needed a coach that would put them in the best position possible for the talent they had to stop what opposing teams were doing. What do folks expect players to say, "our coaches aren't getting it done"? How would you like to be a player with the stigma of being a coach-killer on your resume, it just is not good business for players to point fingers at the coaches. And why does New England year after year using low draft picks and NFL cast-offs produce high quality teams - coaching plain and simple. Do what you can do best with the players you have, and make sure that everyone is accountable. We have had poor secondary coaching for that past decade yet we keep the same secondary coach year after year - why? Justin Rogers was wandering around yesterday looking like he had no clue who to cover if they had two receivers on one side and one ran underneith the other off the line of scrimmage - we ended up with two dbs covering the same receiver running the skinny post while the other ran an underneith out and had an easy reception at the sticks to convert one of many 3rd and longs. Wanny is not getting it done and needs to go. Some players are underperforming, but as a coach you need to know when to sit a guy and do what you need to do to help him get his head back into the game. I just see his hands-off, going through the motions, coaching approach rubbing off on a defensive unit that seems to be just going through the motions.
NoSaint Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 So says Nick Barnett. Jesus, I'm so tired of hearing the same generic, meaningless bull ****. Seriously, we're about halfway through the season and we don't know how to execute? Not even a little? We're giving up yards and points in unprecedented hoardes. Even a tiny bit of execution would help. Are the players that undisciplined? its odd to me that he went so far as to say one of the best schematically in the league if its all on the coaches. several players have come out blaming the players.... i dunno. guessing at what happens behind closed doors can be tough but something is certainly up.
The Big Cat Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 I wanted to chuck my TV out the window last night when I heard re: Dick LaBeau on SNF: "adjustments are my favorite part of the game. Sure, you come in with your Plan A, but if that doesn't work, you move to Plan B, then C, and so on." IF THE PLAYERS CAN'T !@#$ING EXECUTE THE SCHEME, GIVE THEM SOMETHING THEY CAN !@#$ING DO. IF THE SEVEN PLAYERS IN COVERAGE CAN'T PROTECT THE MIDDLE OF THE FIELD, 15 YARDS FROM THE LOS ON 3rd and 8, THEN SEND ONE OR TWO GUYS ON A !@#$ING BLITZ. WHAT ARE WE WORRIED ABOUT? GIVING UP 15 YARDS DOWN THE MIDDLE ON 3RD AND 8!? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!!
uncle flap Posted October 22, 2012 Author Posted October 22, 2012 I wanted to chuck my TV out the window last night when I heard re: Dick LaBeau on SNF: "adjustments are my favorite part of the game. Sure, you come in with your Plan A, but if that doesn't work, you move to Plan B, then C, and so on." IF THE PLAYERS CAN'T !@#$ING EXECUTE THE SCHEME, GIVE THEM SOMETHING THEY CAN !@#$ING DO. IF THE SEVEN PLAYERS IN COVERAGE CAN'T PROTECT THE MIDDLE OF THE FIELD, 15 YARDS FROM THE LOS ON 3rd and 8, THEN SEND ONE OR TWO GUYS ON A !@#$ING BLITZ. WHAT ARE WE WORRIED ABOUT? GIVING UP 15 YARDS DOWN THE MIDDLE ON 3RD AND 8!? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!! Well put. This is exactly how I feel.
NoSaint Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 All these players at one time with the exception of a few walk-ons were top college selections and on most folks draft boards. Look at the Texans for Pete's sake, they were cellar-dwellers and in one year Wade Phillips took them from the bottom to the number 2 defense in the league. The parts were there, but they needed a coach that would put them in the best position possible for the talent they had to stop what opposing teams were doing. some parts were there. other parts were not there. they were good up front. they had one of the worst secondaries in the history of the nfl - and added a top FA corner and safety in the same offseason as wade and had added a first round corner the year before in addition to adding guys like brooks reed and jj watt to an already strong front 7. its not like wade had a magic scheme that made the corners great - they added talent to an all time bad position group which made a BIG difference. wade helped, but not like people give credit for.
Bud Adams Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 It's just like Fitz taking responsibility for the INT, when Pears is beat clean on a 3 man rush and he misses Stevie on the out route and it gets picked off. We know Wanny sucks as a DC, or that OL mess up sometimes. They just aren't going to throw coaches / other players under the bus. They are stand up guys. No offense to you at all jonramz, just piggy-backing off a fact you bring up: I'm sick and tired of "stand up" guys or "high-character" guys. We have had nothing but that since Levy II. All we've done with these well-behaved citizens is lose. It's time for some guys with attitude. Those guys seem to give a damn, unlike our choir boys. BA
Sisyphean Bills Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 Gailey on why no coaching changes will be made... http://blogs.buffalo...aching-changes/ I think Gailey and his staff are fired at the end of the season, if not earlier. I just don't see us winning more than 1-2 more games. Gailey is in the last year of his deal, right?
BringBackFergy Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 its odd to me that he went so far as to say one of the best schematically in the league if its all on the coaches. several players have come out blaming the players.... i dunno. guessing at what happens behind closed doors can be tough but something is certainly up. This loss stung more than Niners and Pats (IMO) only because we knew what the Titans had to offer (a RB who always has a big day against us so we should have game planned around him more, a "older QB" who may have been ripe for pressures/sacks, and a lackluster secondary)...we pissed it all away. Now the infighting will begin...at One Bills Drive and here at TBD. See thread "Remember the Titans"...hoping we don't become the New York Jets of the second half of the season.
BarkLessWagMore Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 (edited) over the course of 4 quarters of football at The Ralph (2nd half of NE and 1st half of Tenn), this "defense" gave up 10 straight scoring drives, 9 of those were touchdowns! That has to be an NFL record for defensive futility by a home team. And there is nothing wrong with this "defense"? Do yourself a favor Nick, don't go into coaching. Edited October 22, 2012 by BarkLessWagMore
BringBackFergy Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 I wanted to chuck my TV out the window last night when I heard re: Dick LaBeau on SNF: "adjustments are my favorite part of the game. Sure, you come in with your Plan A, but if that doesn't work, you move to Plan B, then C, and so on." IF THE PLAYERS CAN'T !@#$ING EXECUTE THE SCHEME, GIVE THEM SOMETHING THEY CAN !@#$ING DO. IF THE SEVEN PLAYERS IN COVERAGE CAN'T PROTECT THE MIDDLE OF THE FIELD, 15 YARDS FROM THE LOS ON 3rd and 8, THEN SEND ONE OR TWO GUYS ON A !@#$ING BLITZ. WHAT ARE WE WORRIED ABOUT? GIVING UP 15 YARDS DOWN THE MIDDLE ON 3RD AND 8!? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!! Great point...the only thing Wanny adjusted at halftime was his pink thong.
NoSaint Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 (edited) over the course of 4 quarters of football (2nd half of NE and 1st half of Tenn), this "defense" gave up 10 straight scoring drives, 9 of those were touchdowns! That has to be an NFL record for defensive futility by a home team. And there is nothing wrong with this "defense"? Do yourself a favor Nick, don't go into coaching. well, what hes saying is the players are to blame.... they cant do what they are being asked to do, who says they execute when you ask them to do something else. which based on seeing them regularly out of position, missing tackles, etc.... the scheme may well be effective if people just did their jobs. talent evaluation, or motivation are a different discussion but purely schematically - we should be playing much better. Edited October 22, 2012 by NoSaint
mrags Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 (edited) its odd to me that he went so far as to say one of the best schematically in the league if its all on the coaches. several players have come out blaming the players.... i dunno. guessing at what happens behind closed doors can be tough but something is certainly up. Ya. It's just like the woman that gets beaten and abused yet keeps going back to the same guy and with the mindset that she did something wrong. That's what Chan and Wanny have on these guys. They are making them feel like they are at fault for all of this debacle. It all comes down to the horrible defensive scheme/coach/playcalls and the absolutely stubbornness of Chan and his pass happy attack. He called a better game on offense yesterday (best of the year possibly) but in the end, with the game on the line, he manages to convert back again, and make a bad decision at the wrong time. He outsmarted himself. Why is it I get the feeling that Chan was saying to himself before that play "ya know what, we've ran up and down the field in them all day, used multiple screens against them all day and succeeded in all of these things, but you know what would really fool them right now? A pass play to the outside that my below average QB has a hard time completing, ya! That's it, they'll never expect that" Edited October 22, 2012 by mrags
BarkLessWagMore Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 well, what hes saying is the players are to blame.... they cant do what they are being asked to do, who says they execute when you ask them to do something else. which based on seeing them regularly out of position, missing tackles, etc.... the scheme may well be effective if people just did their jobs. talent evaluation, or motivation are a different discussion but purely schematically - we should be playing much better. Thanks for the explanation but if you don't think that its BOTH the scheme and the players to blame, you're mistaken.
Mike in Syracuse Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 Well if that's the case then everyone on that freaking defense should just admit they're not good enough to play in the NFL. It's blatantly obvious that the Bills base defense is incapable of stopping anyone. So as DC what do you do, do you continue to run the base defense in the hopes of something happening or do you start moving people around trying frantically to find that spark? Mario Williams said during an interview yesterday "I don't care what anyone thinks". Fine, put his ass on the bench and put Carrington in. There's no way that Carrington and Merriman could be worse as DE's than Williams, Kelsay and Anderson because they've been virtually non-existant.
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