GG Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 J8 how is a guy like Darius Rucker viewed? Like a middling talent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 As a sell out. What makes him a sellout? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 What makes him a sellout? He's a Dolphins fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 What makes him a sellout? I suspect the only thing more confusing than a black conservative is a black country music singer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 (edited) As a sell out. Well at least blacks and whites can agree on this. We've made great strides today. What makes him a sellout? How about that nice little tune he wrote about the Whopper? That and he lets white people call him Hootie instead of keeping it real. Edited October 3, 2012 by Jauronimo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juror#8 Posted October 3, 2012 Author Share Posted October 3, 2012 (edited) What makes him a sellout? I don't think he is a sell out. But the few times his name has come up amongst other black folks in conversations that I'm involved with...they characterize him that way. But that's nothing compared to the **** I've heard people say about Cowboy Tom....Cowboy Troy....Uncle Tom....whatever... Ask any self-respecting black person, and they'll say his black card has long since expired. Doesn't make it right, just many in the black community are resistant to change. One of the few kinds of change that they don't mind is cultural/sociological change that benefits them in some way. Black republicans? No! Black Country personalities? No! Black conservatives? No! Black comedians doing white sitcoms (Wayne Brady)? No! Fastly becoming only the second largest minority group in the counrty? How could they!!! Black folks are real homogenous and one of the least tolerant groups ideologically (aggregate mind-set wise) that I've ever had occassion to be around. I'd never tell my best closest black friends that I voted for Bush in 04. When I espouse my very conservative views on abortion, gun control, immigration, national defense, trade policy, etc. the discussion becomes less ideological and more personal. When I discuss my more moderate views of welfare and affirmative action, there is a lot more civility. It kinda sucks. And I probably know what Darius has to deal with to some degree. Edited October 3, 2012 by Juror#8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Plus I hear that i "talk white" all the time. Many years ago as a small-time journalist in North Carolina I was having lunch with a black woman who was in charge of the Big Brother/Big Sister program, and she made a comment about some people who were looking at us scornfully, she said, because no one in the town liked to see a black woman breaking bread with a white guy. I never saw what she saw, but I also wasn't looking for it. She commented that she was also subjected to "Uncle Tom" comments from the black community because her husband sat on the local school board, worked with the Kiwanis Club, and was a well-respected member of the civic community (United Way drives and so on). The reality was, she was speaking Greek to me. While there were admittedly few black families where I grew up, there was never a time I ever heard or saw anyone treating them as anything other than a part of the community. There simply was no such thing as a "black community." My extended experience these days with conservative groups has introduced me to a number of conservative blacks and I have to say it's downright disgusting the way they are publicly treated by other blacks. What makes it frustrating for my black conservative friends is that they are fighting against the very things that Democrats do to keep blacks at a disadvantage, and the black liberals will have none of it. You're black, and that means you must be a liberal, and anything else makes you an Uncle Tom sellout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 I don't think he is a sell out. But the few times his name has come up amongst other black folks in conversations that I'm involved with...they characterize him that way. But that's nothing compared to the **** I've heard people say about Cowboy Tom....Cowboy Troy....Uncle Tom....whatever... Ask any self-respecting black person, and they'll say his black card has long since expired. Doesn't make it right, just many in the black community are resistant to change. One of the few kinds of change that they don't mind is cultural/sociological change that benefits them in some way. Black republicans? No! Black Country personalities? No! Black conservatives? No! Black comedians doing white sitcoms (Wayne Brady)? No! Fastly becoming only the second largest minority group in the counrty? How could they!!! Black folks are real homogenous and one of the least tolerant groups ideologically (aggregate mind-set wise) that I've ever had occassion to be around. I'd never tell my best closest black friends that I voted for Bush in 04. When I espouse my very conservative views on abortion, gun control, immigration, national defense, trade policy, etc. the discussion becomes less ideological and more personal. When I discuss my more moderate views of welfare and affirmative action, there is a lot more civility. It kinda sucks. And I probably know what Darius has to deal with to some degree. That's some insightful feedback. Me being white have never lived that but that is about what I would have guessed but I'm no expert. It's unfortunate anytime a black person has an opinion or belief that doesn't fall in line with what is expected they are labeled as sell outs or personally attacked. What can be done to change this attitude? To me this is the type of attitude that causes the race issues that affect our country to persist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 That's some insightful feedback. Me being white have never lived that but that is about what I would have guessed but I'm no expert. It's unfortunate anytime a black person has an opinion or belief that doesn't fall in line with what is expected they are labeled as sell outs or personally attacked. What can be done to change this attitude? Nothing. It will fade out in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juror#8 Posted October 3, 2012 Author Share Posted October 3, 2012 That's some insightful feedback. Me being white have never lived that but that is about what I would have guessed but I'm no expert. It's unfortunate anytime a black person has an opinion or belief that doesn't fall in line with what is expected they are labeled as sell outs or personally attacked. What can be done to change this attitude? To me this is the type of attitude that causes the race issues that affect our country to persist. I think that black folks take it personally because they feel that the conservative mentality is the mentality that slowed up decades of efforts at social progress. For anyone now, even 50 years later, to espouse ideology that is conservative, is to align themselves with a group that most black folks view as "the oppressor." That's why I say that black folks are actually very ideologically conservative (non-politically) - though they identify themselves more progressively - because they are very resistant to change and slow to amend views and biases. Many years ago as a small-time journalist in North Carolina I was having lunch with a black woman who was in charge of the Big Brother/Big Sister program, and she made a comment about some people who were looking at us scornfully, she said, because no one in the town liked to see a black woman breaking bread with a white guy. I never saw what she saw, but I also wasn't looking for it. She commented that she was also subjected to "Uncle Tom" comments from the black community because her husband sat on the local school board, worked with the Kiwanis Club, and was a well-respected member of the civic community (United Way drives and so on). The reality was, she was speaking Greek to me. While there were admittedly few black families where I grew up, there was never a time I ever heard or saw anyone treating them as anything other than a part of the community. There simply was no such thing as a "black community." My extended experience these days with conservative groups has introduced me to a number of conservative blacks and I have to say it's downright disgusting the way they are publicly treated by other blacks. What makes it frustrating for my black conservative friends is that they are fighting against the very things that Democrats do to keep blacks at a disadvantage, and the black liberals will have none of it. You're black, and that means you must be a liberal, and anything else makes you an Uncle Tom sellout. I had edited my quote to not make it about me and my experiences directly but you caught my statement pre-edit. And yes, you are right. In the black community, socializing with people post-racially, dating those outsiode your race, etc. is seen as quintessentially "sell-out." That's some insightful feedback. Me being white have never lived that but that is about what I would have guessed but I'm no expert. It's unfortunate anytime a black person has an opinion or belief that doesn't fall in line with what is expected they are labeled as sell outs or personally attacked. What can be done to change this attitude? To me this is the type of attitude that causes the race issues that affect our country to persist. Time and generational understanding, tolerance. Also, technology. I truly believe that it crushes prejudices faster than any other single thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Also, technology. I truly believe that it crushes prejudices faster than any other single thing. bull ****! DaveInElma hadn't so much as a stray racist thought until he stumbled across Youtube and Worldstar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 (edited) bull ****! DaveInElma hadn't so much as a stray racist thought until he stumbled across Youtube and Worldstar. I call bull **** to your bull ****. That's like saying I didn't have a horny bone in my body until I stumbled across Xhampster and YouPorn. Edited October 3, 2012 by Chef Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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