The Helmet of Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 (edited) wow, you certainly have researched mario's sacks, and your statistics raise some alarming concerns. so far, my impression is that mario is above average to good- in both run and pass defense. i'm not sure i see him as great in either. hopefully i'm wrong, and he can "get after it" as he seems fond of saying... edit: sprained wrist? are you kidding? please, 90% of nfl players have a sprained something. the great ones battle through minor injuries and are still great. i don't want to hear anything about a sprained wrist... Edited October 3, 2012 by MarkKelso'sHelmet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Link? Jeff Russo from WKBW on Twitter. HIs exact quote. "Mario Williams says he realizes he needs to make more of an impact... Been bothered by a sprained wrist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 All you have to is look at Lance Zerlein's profile of Wiliams back in March. I posted it then and everything he says about Williams is coming to fruition. The sprained wrist is consistent with the EIGHTEEN games he missed the last two years. Nice work NIX. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 the guy is the black Schobel...he shows up for meaningless games and piles up sacks when it matters least If he has schobel's sack numbers and is stout against the run, i'd be happy. Schobel always got blown up in the run game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 I still think he is going to get much better as the season goes on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 I still think he is going to get much better as the season goes on Here's a shock: he hasn't played as poorly we think. I'm speaking about his play against the run which, in spite of the yards against and Joe Buscaglia's misguided critique of that aspect of his game, was actually pretty technically sound on Sunday. But he's been a disappointment in pressuring the QB. And I DO look for that to improve. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 (edited) While I personally know you can't just judge a players success on their sack number lets looks at that for his year by year for his career. 2006 - He had 4.5 sacks his rookie season and they all came in a 5 game stretch. Where he has 1.5, 0, 1,1,1. 2007- He had 14 sacks. 8 of his sack came in 3 games. He season split looks like this: 2,0,0,0,1,0,0,1,0,1,1,2.5,1,3.5,1, 0 2008- He had 12 sacks. He had 3 - 2 sack games and 1 3 sack game. Here's his season: 2,0,0,2,2,0,1,1,0,0,0,3,0,0,0,1 2009- He had 9 sacks - 1 - 2 sack game: 0,1,0,1,0,0,1,0,1,0,1,1,2,0,0,1 2010- 8.5 sacks with a 3 sack game and 2 sack game. 1,3,0,1,0,0,0,.5,0,2,1,0,0 (played in 13 games) 2011 - 5 sacks in 5 games he played in before injury...he had 2 - 2 sack games: 2,0,0,2,1 2012- Through 4 games he has 1.5 sacks that came in 1 game. So if we are ONLY looking at SACK numbers Mario Williams has 54.5 career sacks. He has played in 86 games by my count. Out of those games he has had sacks in only 38 of them. That is 44%. 35.5 of those sacks have come in just 14 games. That leaves 19 sacks in the other 72 games he has played in. If we are judging only sack numbers because that's all the time I have to do you can see Mario is a VERY streaky player. If we looked at this ahead of time we would have known this, but I am sure most didn't realize just how streaky his sacks are. I am not defending him, or saying he sucks, just simply looking at his career stats. I can draw this conclusion: Mario will have 2 or 3 more multi sack games this year and finish with around 10 sacks. That will leave 12 games where he has no sacks or 1 sack. Nice analysis. I have to say something just doesn't look right with him currently, whether he might be injured or what. I know he is wearing a giant cast on his hand, wondering if that is having some type of effect. A player just doesn't "lose it" in his prime like that quickly. So from what you are saying, we might have a football version of Thomas Vanek on our hands... Edited October 3, 2012 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Boscaglia referenced Zerlein on WGR this morning. It's pretty frightening how dead on Zerlein's profile was, and to add to Zerlain's credence his father was actually an assistant coach with the BIlls. Right now he's looking like a $100 Million bust. Great work Nix and Whaley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Boscaglia referenced Zerlein on WGR this morning. It's pretty frightening how dead on Zerlein's profile was, and to add to Zerlain's credence his father was actually an assistant coach with the BIlls. Right now he's looking like a $100 Million bust. Great work Nix and Whaley. Just like CJ Spiller was a bust? It has been 4 games. All of which HE WAS PLAYING WITH A SPRAINED WRIST! I'm baffled at how quick people are to throw his ass to the curb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Just like CJ Spiller was a bust? It has been 4 games. All of which HE WAS PLAYING WITH A SPRAINED WRIST! I'm baffled at how quick people are to throw his ass to the curb. Williams now has a huge body of evidence to evaluate him on. Looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, is a .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 What really ticks me off is the apparent lack of effort. he is slow out of his stance, stands straight up, then fiddle-farts around and plays pattie cake with the OT. Watch D ware or JJ Watt or KW and the fire and hussle those guys play with. They throw other grown men around like rag dolls going after the QB. There is no reason Mario can't do the same thing, even with a little boo boo on his wrist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Williams now has a huge body of evidence to evaluate him on. Looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, is a .... You mean the 24th and youngest on the active sack list. OK got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Zerlein had no ax to grind. To summarize his profile: Williams will get sacks and look dominating at times, them disappear for long stretches; is one trick as far as moves, no spin etc.; is NOT the alpha dog. I linked to this in March, his performance should be no surprise. Just like trying to teach Fitzpatrick new mechanics, it was a lot ot think that Williams to change. If they could kick him to the curb and get their $'s back they should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormin Norman Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Right now he seems to be playing as if he has no 'sack.' Great line. Helps me laugh in the face of another crush job by the Evil Empire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDD Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Vastly over-rated player that I have stated from the start, yet I liked the signing as it was a big need and gave us fans confidence the Bills are trying to win. the guy is the black Schobel...he shows up for meaningless games and piles up sacks when it matters least Disagree. Schobel was a great, underrated player. Williams is an average, over-rated player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjjr Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 It isn't all about sacks. He is really good against the run too. It's all about him being a factor and making opposing teams react to him with double teams and chips or he beats them 1 on 1 for sacks or tackles for loss. Against the Patriots, he didn't win 1 on 1 enough. Against the Jets, it was the same thing. If teams block him 1 on 1, he needs to make them pay. If they double, then the other three guys will make plays on the d-line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Anyone know which wrist he injured? GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nervous Guy Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 If we are judging only sack numbers because that's all the time I have to do you can see Mario is a VERY streaky player. If we looked at this ahead of time we would have known this, but I am sure most didn't realize just how streaky his sacks are. I am not defending him, or saying he sucks, just simply looking at his career stats. I can draw this conclusion: Mario will have 2 or 3 more multi sack games this year and finish with around 10 sacks. That will leave 12 games where he has no sacks or 1 sack. I am curious if other "sack artists" are also "streaky"...I dug around a little and found that Clay Matthews is also. Twice in the last three years, He started the season with six sacks in the first two games. Sandwiched between those exceptional starts is 2011, when he finished with six sacks in the 15 games he played. hmmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 "Super" Mario owes his agent a huge bonus this year. Obviously Dogra played Brandon, Nix and Overdork like a violin. There obviously was no otjer suitor at that contract level. No wonder he never left town. Well played there Dogra ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastaJoe Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 The only way Mario can pressure Tom Brady is if Mario hires a woman to claim she had Brady's love child this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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