MARCELL DAREUS POWER Posted October 3, 2012 Author Share Posted October 3, 2012 (edited) It's utopian because you, nor anyone else, has outlined how it is possible. Much like Owen who built his theories around the notion that ready to roast chickens would fly into the ovens of the members of his new society, you've constructed a near ideal situation in which food, energy, and housing are limitless in their abundance, and therefor have negligible transaction value; and require no human effort to harvest, build, convert to usability, distribute, or service and maintain. Then, again like Owen, when confronted with reality you become incredulous demanding to know "How can anyone be opposed to free food, energy, and housing for all?" The answer is that no one is opposed to the fairie tale notion of resources so comically and overwhelmingly abundant that they remove the two lower tiers from Maslow's hierarchy of needs, and a fully automated world which completely removes the need for human effot to obtain them. Were it viable not a sane soul would object to it. However, it is not. We are firmly grounded in a reality that provides us with extraordinarily finite resources, and no Roddenberryesque technology on the horizon to replicate our food or warp us around the universe. you are actually saying, tech could never create renewable energy and food distribution so abundant and efficient that it would eliminate labor tied to it, ie, making it free? that will never happen? ever? it seems like a goal we should strive towards... imo Edited October 3, 2012 by MARCELL DAREUS POWER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 We have enough food to end humnger. It sits around on docks in foreign countries rotting while the dictators and corrupt demand their $ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Enough food to end hunger is not nearly the same thing as a food source so abundant that food loses all commodity exchange value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 you are actually saying, tech could never create renewable energy and food distribution so abundant and efficient that it would eliminate labor tied to it, ie, making it free? that will never happen? ever? it seems like a goal we should strive towards... imo I'm saying that if you're making an economic argument which is wholly dependant on food, housing, and energy resources so abundant that they lose their value as a commodities and a fully automated labor force which makes human effort obsolete, then you damn well better be able to back up what would otherwise be dismissed as drivel with hard applied science or you come across looking like a fool and a crazy person. There is a reason Dewey catalogued political philosophy and economic theory seperatly from science-ficton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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