cmjoyce113 Posted September 27, 2012 Posted September 27, 2012 This is a link to an interview with Bryan O'Leary who wrote the book Spygate: The Untold Story. I read the preview on Amazon.com and it looks very interesting. This talks about how all of the materials were destroyed right at the Patriots facility without even reviewing them. It also mentioned about how the Patriots messed around with radio signals where the Patriots had an over ride in Brady's helmet where they could talk to him all the way to the snap. This sounds a lot more messy than it was portrayed and pisses me off that it was covered up the way it was. It is crazy to look at this and bounty gate and look at the vast difference in punishment and coverage...it's total BS. Just thought I'd share this since it's Patriots week.
TheMadCap Posted September 27, 2012 Posted September 27, 2012 Makes me sad actually. If they would have busted NE* prior to thier first SB "victory" , we wouldn't have to hear about thier stupid kicker dynasty...
3rdand12 Posted September 27, 2012 Posted September 27, 2012 (edited) bellcheck just got fined 50k for the pushing/grabbing of an official. i feel better. Means he's no longer safe. when we beat them again i will feel Much better. Edited September 27, 2012 by 3rdand12
Ted William's frozen head Posted September 27, 2012 Posted September 27, 2012 That makes me angry . I could buy a lot of liquid nitrogen for 50K!
The Senator Posted September 27, 2012 Posted September 27, 2012 The level of dishonestly, deceit, contempt for the rules of the game and good sportsmanship, and downright criminality displayed by Belicheat*, Brady*, and the entire Cheatriettes* team* and organization* is so severe, and so far beyond what even I surmised, that I can only respond with this single monosyllabic palindrome... Wow.
gomper Posted September 27, 2012 Posted September 27, 2012 To me the most flagrant and useful episode was right before SB36. On the day before the game, the Rams installed some new formations/pass routes that they've never used. Martz is still convinced that the Pats knew exactly what play they were going to run and when they were going to run it. More importantly, for the Pats, the defensive call to combat it.
Doc Posted September 27, 2012 Posted September 27, 2012 The cheating by videotaping is well-known. The additional frequencies has been speculated and even mentioned by Flutie, but never before put down in writing. It would explain a lot.
NoSaint Posted September 27, 2012 Posted September 27, 2012 The cheating by videotaping is well-known. The additional frequencies has been speculated and even mentioned by Flutie, but never before put down in writing. It would explain a lot. Thing is - stuff like this gets out. People make comments if its out of the ordinary. Fluties comment leads me to believe we didn't do all the same stuff here, but generally I'd bet most of what you hear with the pats has similar versions around the league.
Saint Doug Posted September 28, 2012 Posted September 28, 2012 bellcheck just got fined 50k for the pushing/grabbing of an official. i feel better. Means he's no longer safe. when we beat them again i will feel Much better. I dunno. Belicheat pushes a scab ref. Next thing we hear is that the real refs have reached a deal to come back. That's fishy.
Jim in Anchorage Posted September 28, 2012 Posted September 28, 2012 I wish the Bills had thought of/done this first. I would gladly take fans on the Pats forum whining about something that happened 10 years ago in exchange for 3 SB rings.
DC Tom Posted September 28, 2012 Posted September 28, 2012 I dunno. Belicheat pushes a scab ref. Next thing we hear is that the real refs have reached a deal to come back. That's fishy. Fishy will be when a team that had ten penalties last week doesn't have a single holding or pass interference penalty called this week. I'm sure Kraft's check has already cleared.
ThurmasThoman Posted September 28, 2012 Posted September 28, 2012 I wish the Bills had thought of/done this first. I would gladly take fans on the Pats forum whining about something that happened 10 years ago in exchange for 3 SB rings. i used to say that. life is about experiences though, and what they mean to you 5, 10, 15, 25 years later. when the bills win the super bowl, its going to be one of the most amazing experiences of my life. its something that ill always be able to look back on and say "wow.. it actually happened... we won the super bowl!" i dont want that tarnished. its like... youre standing on the tee box on a par 3, 150 yards out. your first shot goes in the water. your second shot shanks into the woods. your third shot you hole it. did you get a hole in 1? well, i suppose you got your ball into the hole in one shot, and lots of golfers cheat, so hey, you can tell everyone you got a hole in one, right? .................. right? it just feels wrong.
Doc Posted September 28, 2012 Posted September 28, 2012 Thing is - stuff like this gets out. People make comments if its out of the ordinary. Fluties comment leads me to believe we didn't do all the same stuff here, but generally I'd bet most of what you hear with the pats has similar versions around the league. Flutie's comment does tell me the Bills didn't do that, and Ross Tucker's comment that Bills players on IR didn't practice with the team tells me the same thing. As for illegal videotaping, why didn't Belichick out other teams if it was so prevalent, so as to save face?
NoSaint Posted September 28, 2012 Posted September 28, 2012 (edited) Flutie's comment does tell me the Bills didn't do that, and Ross Tucker's comment that Bills players on IR didn't practice with the team tells me the same thing. As for illegal videotaping, why didn't Belichick out other teams if it was so prevalent, so as to save face? I could be wrong, and was a bit stream of thought in my last post. As to why he didn't point fingers - there could be a ton of explanations. The locker rooms he'd know it to be happening in would likely be his own friends, many people don't spill the beans just cause they get caught, wanting it to die fast.... I dunno. I suspect BB didn't just randomly do this stuff for the first, and only, time ever. Maybe elements, but not on a global level We hear rumors of frequencies being jammed, accusations of listening in, etc.... I think BB pushes the boundaries, but I don't think he's totally unique. Edited September 28, 2012 by NoSaint
Jim in Anchorage Posted September 28, 2012 Posted September 28, 2012 i used to say that. life is about experiences though, and what they mean to you 5, 10, 15, 25 years later. when the bills win the super bowl, its going to be one of the most amazing experiences of my life. its something that ill always be able to look back on and say "wow.. it actually happened... we won the super bowl!" i dont want that tarnished. its like... youre standing on the tee box on a par 3, 150 yards out. your first shot goes in the water. your second shot shanks into the woods. your third shot you hole it. did you get a hole in 1? well, i suppose you got your ball into the hole in one shot, and lots of golfers cheat, so hey, you can tell everyone you got a hole in one, right? .................. right? it just feels wrong. Said this before, will say it again. What was unique about what the Pats did? Why is it since I started watching football in the 70's HC's and coordinators ALWAYS held a play book to their mouth's when calling play's? Is it possible non Pat teams have been doing this for decades and just never got caught?
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted September 28, 2012 Posted September 28, 2012 I hate the pats* they will always be a dirty tarnished *.
NoSaint Posted September 28, 2012 Posted September 28, 2012 Said this before, will say it again. What was unique about what the Pats did? Why is it since I started watching football in the 70's HC's and coordinators ALWAYS held a play book to their mouth's when calling play's? Is it possible non Pat teams have been doing this for decades and just never got caught? That's what I'm getting at. He might have tweaks but I doubt he is the only guy to head this way. He might have done it "better" but the unique factor seems off.
Doc Posted September 28, 2012 Posted September 28, 2012 Said this before, will say it again. What was unique about what the Pats did? Why is it since I started watching football in the 70's HC's and coordinators ALWAYS held a play book to their mouth's when calling play's? Is it possible non Pat teams have been doing this for decades and just never got caught? Then why punish them? If it was truly nothing unique, it would have been a non-issue and a simple "everyone does it" would have sufficed. And why hurriedly destroy the evidence?
NoSaint Posted September 28, 2012 Posted September 28, 2012 Then why punish them? If it was truly nothing unique, it would have been a non-issue and a simple "everyone does it" would have sufficed. And why hurriedly destroy the evidence? Because the league is full of dirty secrets that if revealed and left unpunished threaten the integrity? Do you also believe Gregg Williams was the only coach with a "bounty program?"
Jim in Anchorage Posted September 28, 2012 Posted September 28, 2012 Said this before, will say it again. What was unique about what the Pats did? Why is it since I started watching football in the 70's HC's and coordinators ALWAYS held a play book to their mouth's when calling play's? Is it possible non Pat teams have been doing this for decades and just never got caught? Then why punish them? If it was truly nothing unique, it would have been a non-issue and a simple "everyone does it" would have sufficed. And why hurriedly destroy the evidence?
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