Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 27, 2012 Posted September 27, 2012 Nothing in my life will ever be as bad as Thurman to the Dolphins. You can always tell a new fan. Darryl Lamonica to the Raiders for Powell and Flores (who?). That was worse, way worse. We got to watch him for 7 more years. 4 division titles, an AFL championship, and a trip to the Dance.
San Jose Bills Fan Posted September 27, 2012 Posted September 27, 2012 DeHaven doesn't trust his coverage unit, and probably hasn't since that Kerley TD punt return in the first game. So, instead of being on the hot seat, he tells Moorman to kick everything out of bounds? That's some brilliant ST coaching. In a certain respect I admire DeHaven. The guy has proven to be a below-average ST coach, most well-known for the Music City Disaster, and he knows it. The solution? John Potter, who kicks everything through the endzone. And directional punts out of bounds. No more screw-ups on the kick coverage. There's a difference between instructing a punter to punt it out of bounds and instructing him to place the ball between the sidelines and the hashmarks to narrow the field for the coverage team.
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted September 27, 2012 Posted September 27, 2012 There's a difference between instructing a punter to punt it out of bounds and instructing him to place the ball between the sidelines and the hashmarks to narrow the field for the coverage team. So, are what you suggesting is that DeHaven wanted Moorman just to angle it near the sideline, but keep it in bounds, and Moorman basically couldn't/didn't do that and just kicked it out of bounds?
nobody Posted September 27, 2012 Posted September 27, 2012 Maybe the Cowboys actually cover punts? Except for the ones that get blocked.
GG Posted September 27, 2012 Posted September 27, 2012 So, are what you suggesting is that DeHaven wanted Moorman just to angle it near the sideline, but keep it in bounds, and Moorman basically couldn't/didn't do that and just kicked it out of bounds? Could be, but jw added more fuel on the fire by hinting that DeHaven sandbagged Moorman in the Cleveland game.
jumbalaya Posted September 27, 2012 Posted September 27, 2012 My take is that the Cowboys were sniffing at Powell and the Bills would not take the chance of losing him. So Jones forced us to make this move.
CowgirlsFan Posted September 27, 2012 Posted September 27, 2012 Except for the ones that get blocked. And the "almost" on Sunday that gets the punter injured.
San Jose Bills Fan Posted September 27, 2012 Posted September 27, 2012 So, are what you suggesting is that DeHaven wanted Moorman just to angle it near the sideline, but keep it in bounds, and Moorman basically couldn't/didn't do that and just kicked it out of bounds? Exactly. That's what directional punting is.
billsrcursed Posted September 27, 2012 Posted September 27, 2012 So, are what you suggesting is that DeHaven wanted Moorman just to angle it near the sideline, but keep it in bounds, and Moorman basically couldn't/didn't do that and just kicked it out of bounds? There's a difference between kicking it out of bounds 45-50 yds. downfield, and pooching it out of bounds 25 yds. downfield, basically 15-25 yards. That's my take anyway. I think alot of teams are trying to get away from guys returning punts, and instead focusing on directional kicking. Moorman looked to not be able to successfully do that, so what good would keeping him do?
CowgirlsFan Posted September 27, 2012 Posted September 27, 2012 As reported by Jason LaCanfora at NFLN. Good luck #8...you will get plenty of chances to punt based on what I have seen of the Stars O... Stars....that's the hockey team here. I think you mean Cowboys O line.
bowery4 Posted September 27, 2012 Posted September 27, 2012 Good luck in Dallas Mr. Moorman and thanks for all your service in Bflo. the last 12 years
zow2 Posted September 27, 2012 Posted September 27, 2012 Look, Powell is at the age where he is only gonna get better...he's a big man with a big leg...lots o hangtime. Moorman is at the age where he is declining. Great guy but everyone gets phased out eventually. I'm over this...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted September 27, 2012 Posted September 27, 2012 Exactly. That's what directional punting is. This is sort of inferential, but I think dehaven wanted moorman to kick the ball out of bounds the last 2 games because he didn't want any returns (we were playing again 2 good returners). I thought moorman did a nice job against KC and a so-so job against cleveland doing what I am presuming he was asked to do. But, regardless, as I think more about it, how do they do cut him right before the patriots? It's possibly the worst timing. The risks of bringing a new punter and holder are huge, esp given the Bills' notorious bad luck.
NoSaint Posted September 27, 2012 Posted September 27, 2012 This is sort of inferential, but I think dehaven wanted moorman to kick the ball out of bounds the last 2 games because he didn't want any returns (we were playing again 2 good returners). I thought moorman did a nice job against KC and a so-so job against cleveland doing what I am presuming he was asked to do. But, regardless, as I think more about it, how do they do cut him right before the patriots? It's possibly the worst timing. The risks of bringing a new punter and holder are huge, esp given the Bills' notorious bad luck. It's true, nix should account for bad luck and buffalo curses far more in his personnel choices
Ramius Posted September 27, 2012 Posted September 27, 2012 This confirms what we've seen. DeHaven doesn't trust his coverage unit, and probably hasn't since that Kerley TD punt return in the first game. So, instead of being on the hot seat, he tells Moorman to kick everything out of bounds? That's some brilliant ST coaching. In a certain respect I admire DeHaven. The guy has proven to be a below-average ST coach, most well-known for the Music City Disaster, and he knows it. The solution? John Potter, who kicks everything through the endzone. And directional punts out of bounds. No more screw-ups on the kick coverage. You do know that directional punting doesnt mean simply kicking OOB, dont you? Its kicking outside the hashmarks to limit the return possibilities.
PromoTheRobot Posted September 27, 2012 Posted September 27, 2012 It's true, nix should account for bad luck and buffalo curses far more in his personnel choices Seriously? Should Buddy consult a psychic before making personnel moves? PTR
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted September 27, 2012 Posted September 27, 2012 You do know that directional punting doesnt mean simply kicking OOB, dont you? Its kicking outside the hashmarks to limit the return possibilities. Yeah, I get that. But I don't think (again, basing this on inferences) that's what he was asked to do in the last few games. Sounded like from the articles that I read that they didn't want any returns with these guys, not just pinning the guy near the sideline in order to better cover.
jimmy10 Posted September 27, 2012 Posted September 27, 2012 I am not one to second guess football decisions by any stretch. In the time it takes me to type this sentence, Buddy Nix will forget more about football than I'll ever know in my lifetime. But cutting a respected veteran and captain on the team the week of our biggest game of the season to date? Obviously one of the things our team has going for it is clubhouse chemistry, that's been clear pretty much since the beginning of the Chix regime. I really, really hope this doesn't backfire.
eball Posted September 27, 2012 Posted September 27, 2012 Congrats to Brian on landing with the Cowboys. With respect to the Bills, I, and several others on this board, openly suggested Moorman's job was very much in doubt at the start of training camp. His numbers -- particularly net average and punts inside the 20 -- had been in steady decline and the Bills brought in a highly-regarded rookie in Powell. To my surprise (and, truthfully, probably the Bills' as well), Moorman had a "lights out" camp (sorry Shawne) and preseason. I believe the Bills were ready and willing to give Moorman the boot, but they couldn't based upon his play this summer. Then, after seeing a pretty dismal performance during the first three games, they could finally make the move they wanted to make all along. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. I don't for a second believe any of this "Dehaven didn't like him" b.s.
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted September 27, 2012 Posted September 27, 2012 That's my story and I'm sticking to it. I don't for a second believe any of this "Dehaven didn't like him" b.s. I don't think it was "not liking" him, but I wouldn't doubt that there was a disagreement over strategy. Gailey could have come right out and said there was no disagreement, but he was sort of cryptic about it (from bb.com): On if releasing P Brian Moorman was due to him having a conflict with a coach: I do not know if we would go that far. We all talked about it and we made the decision. It ultimately falls on me, but we made the decision that it was what we needed to do at this time.
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