CSBill Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 (edited) I saw that the Bills gave up a sack, but couldn't recall where it was. In looking at the game thread, the fumble was called a sack (first, it should not have been ruled a fumble, how they could overturn that? It deserves an explanation). Anyhow, Fitz was not touched on the play, how can it be credited for a sack? Am I missing something here? In the big picture, not a big deal -- but for the pride of the offensive line, it is a big deal. Real Stat: 3 games = 0 Sacks given up by this line, and another solid running game (139 yards) out of them, even without the #1 and #1A backs! Edited September 25, 2012 by CSBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 first i'm seeing this. if that's true, then yes...that's crap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optometric Insight Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 How is that a sack? There was no pressure and no one touched him. I also don't understand how that play is reviewable but the kickoff fumble that Chan challenged wasn't. They were both dead balls so wouldn't that make them both unreviewable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBeane Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 How is that a sack? There was no pressure and no one touched him. I also don't understand how that play is reviewable but the kickoff fumble that Chan challenged wasn't. They were both dead balls so wouldn't that make them both unreviewable? I had the same thought. I cannot understand how those plays are different. Either way, that was not a fumble, period. How could the ball move forward if no one touched him and the ball slipped out of his hand if it wasn't in his hand when he started moving his arm forward? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FitzShowUsYourTitz Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 These replacement refs are really not a big deal. In all seriousness, I think the final stats are reviewed for each game and it should/could be changed. Great win. Go Bills!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slipkid Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 How could the ball move forward if no one touched him and the ball slipped out of his hand if it wasn't in his hand when he started moving his arm forward? Good question. Isaac Newton and the Laws of Physics be damned, we have replacement refs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Horrible call. But still Fitz can't let that happen. If he completes that pass it could have been a 21-0 lead. That would have forced the Browns to pass more. In the end it didn't matter as the D stepped up against the run and rushed the passer well late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted September 23, 2012 Author Share Posted September 23, 2012 Good question. Isaac Newton and the Laws of Physics be damned, we have replacement refs! But it was the booth that overturned the call on the field--the replacement refs had it right, again, how was there enough evidence to reverse that call ?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slipkid Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 But it was the booth that overturned the call on the field--the replacement refs had it right, again, Who was in the booth? The President of the Flat-Earth Society? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Who was in the booth? The President of the Flat-Earth Society? Or...the NFL "official" who saw us heading in for a 21-0 TD...and decided to make the game better for ratings. </TinFoilHat> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 First off no way that was a fumble his hand was moving forward, it just slipped out of his hands. I honestly thought that that turnover was the reason as to why the game was so close before Fitz iced it with that pass to Stevie. The Bills were up 14-0 in clear field goal range. It would have been third and long but even just had they kicked the field goal 17-0 would have been huge. I think it gave Cleveland some life and they turned that into 7 points. But the Bills took that long drive running it down the throats of the D and got a field goal which was huge. It could have been dicey. But had Spiller never gotten hurt it would have been 21-0 or 24-7 and the offense would have been much more consistent. We got the win who cares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsWatch Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 In addition no Browns' defense player was credited with sack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 I think the league will review that play and decide it was not a sack. That happens all the time. No one hit him. He fumbled. Ultimately I think we will find we haven't given up a sack all year in three years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firemedic Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 If CJ went the whole game, it would have been 38-14. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 (edited) I believe when a QB fumbles behind the line and its recovered by defense it's considered a sack That was clearly a fumble. His arm was moving forward but the ball was already out I think the difference in the two plays was one being blown dead and the other being considered an incomplete pass Edited September 23, 2012 by Max997 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 I believe when a QB fumbles behind the line and its recovered by defense it's considered a sack That was clearly a fumble. His arm was moving forward but the ball was already out I think the difference in the two plays was one being blown dead and the other being considered an incomplete pass Explain to me how the ball ended up 6 yards in front of fitz if it wasn't propelled by his arm moving forward? What moved the ball forward? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Explain to me how the ball ended up 6 yards in front of fitz if it wasn't propelled by his arm moving forward? What moved the ball forward? If it leaves his hand before he starts the forward motion but it is still on his fingertips as he throws forward it would. I actually think that was the right call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 First off no way that was a fumble his hand was moving forward, it just slipped out of his hands. I honestly thought that that turnover was the reason as to why the game was so close before Fitz iced it with that pass to Stevie. The Bills were up 14-0 in clear field goal range. It would have been third and long but even just had they kicked the field goal 17-0 would have been huge. I think it gave Cleveland some life and they turned that into 7 points. But the Bills took that long drive running it down the throats of the D and got a field goal which was huge. It could have been dicey. But had Spiller never gotten hurt it would have been 21-0 or 24-7 and the offense would have been much more consistent. We got the win who cares. That interception reversed by pass interference was bogus and changed the momentum as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 That interception reversed by pass interference was bogus and changed the momentum as well. Agreed. That changed the game dramatically. But that kind of stuff happens every game, and we cannot tell for sure the effect it will have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swnybillsfan Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 why is that a fumble, but "the tuck" was not? that still makes my head hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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