All-22 Coaches Film -- Analysis of Fitz Week Two

[NoSaint]

 

 

Funny. Yes, I hear what you're saying, but certainly you get Lee's point. Fitz doesn't stare down his receivers and makes a conscious effort to mislead the defense -- sometimes to his own detriment because he has to turn and quickly fire when he may not be in the best position to make the accurate throw.

 

I do. It's not a pure compliment though, by any means. "he locks on his number one but will occasionally fire wild throws to the backside of the play" wouldn't be a totally false rewording.

 

I like fitz.

 

We had a good game.

 

I'm happy.

 

 

 

Look, I'm not in the circle of people what want to parse the language and nitpick on what's a 'good' decision vs. a 'great' decision as seems to be the case. Fitz going to his second or third read and making a play is ALWAYS a good decision. Whether or not Fitz 'looked' him off or Derrick Johnson just bit on Fitz looking to his left is immaterial to me. It was a good play which resulted from Fitz making a good decision with the ball. And Derrick Johnson totally misread his primary responsibility which is the QB in a 5 wide, empty set. I have to give Fitz credit for that regardless of the 'intent' of the design of the play.

 

Fitz looked left, Derrick Johnson went right and the middle of the field was WIDE open for Stevie Johnson to exploit. Period. End of story. Why the need for people to piss on this even a little is stupid. Nobody I know has EVER said Fitz is the second coming, but Christ!, this sh*t gets old.

 

GO BILLS!!!

 

I'll agree with all this- the thread was earlier drifting away from it. Intentional, or a happy coincidence - the lb left a hole and fitz found it. Sometimes we just need to be happy with that.

[Webster Guy]

Nice work Eballer. I like that kind of real analysis but now you understand that you've set the standard for a weekly QB rundown from the coaches film vaults. Insomnia and a love of the Bills can make for some long nights man.

 

I saw someone do that for Cordy Glenn here http://wgr550.com/two-bills-drive/14269504 and I appreciate the time you guys took for the analysis.

 

Also in Fitz's defense, I don't see Stevie Johnson as being very crisp in his routes this season, and wonder if some of those errant throws are receiver related. I guess we'll never know that but I expect those two to get better as the season rolls on.

 

Meanwhile the guy is on pace to throw 40 TD's. If he can be patient and keep the picks to a minimum, become a better game manager, we can get the 10 wins we need to see the post-season.

 

If Sanchez can get his team to the AFC championship game twice, then so can Fitz.

[Booger]

Here it is plain and simple. If you are content with being 8-8, 7-9, and maybe a long shot of 9-7 then Fitz (the best BACKUP in the league) is your man. If you are sick of not making the playoffs, or wanting to have a fighting chance if they DO make the playoffs at 9-7 then Fitz is NOT your man.

 

FItz is capable of 2 types of games. BAD games and WELL MANAGED games. That is what he has shown in 7 years in the league. The rest of the team is built to a much higher standard that Fitzpatrick the Football Player (not the man who is a great teammate). Keep using him as a "game manager" and hope you do not fall behind to often in games as they did against the Jets. Asking Fitzpatrick to bring you back in a game is way to much. All that it does is build his "garbage stats" and give everyone on here continued false hope as they seem to forget quickly about previous weeks and previous seasons.

[K-9]

Nice work Eballer. I like that kind of real analysis but now you understand that you've set the standard for a weekly QB rundown from the coaches film vaults. Insomnia and a love of the Bills can make for some long nights man.

 

I saw someone do that for Cordy Glenn here http://wgr550.com/tw...-drive/14269504 and I appreciate the time you guys took for the analysis.

 

Also in Fitz's defense, I don't see Stevie Johnson as being very crisp in his routes this season, and wonder if some of those errant throws are receiver related. I guess we'll never know that but I expect those two to get better as the season rolls on.

 

Meanwhile the guy is on pace to throw 40 TD's. If he can be patient and keep the picks to a minimum, become a better game manager, we can get the 10 wins we need to see the post-season.

 

If Sanchez can get his team to the AFC championship game twice, then so can Fitz.

 

I've noticed that, too. I'd like to think it's because his groin problems are limiting his ability to get in and out of breaks crisply rather than something related to attitude, etc. Then again, Stevie is so unconventional off the ball that it's hard to tell sometimes.

 

GO BILLS!!!

[Roc Bronson]

 

 

You will forever be skeptical no matter who the QB for the Bills is. About 7000 yards and 50 TDs in 2 years isn't good enough for you? What is? I know, it's nothing less than Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Manning type numbers. Gimme a break.

 

I don't hate the guy Mr Freak but watching him play wreck my nerves. Last year in the beginning he was fun, and part of the end. But wth why do you guys get upset when someone disagree with what you feel. In the mix of those TD's and yards, how many int's have he thrown? Last week half of tbd was hating the guy. One half ass game and he get defended like he's Peyton Manning my bad..

[Kelly the Dog]

I've noticed that, too. I'd like to think it's because his groin problems are limiting his ability to get in and out of breaks crisply rather than something related to attitude, etc. Then again, Stevie is so unconventional off the ball that it's hard to tell sometimes.

 

GO BILLS!!!

He certainly didn't look like he had a groin problem at all on the TD run, he looked downright explosive from the time he caught the ball until the endzone. A Chief took a bad angle on him, but he really surprised me with his acceleration and then beat a couple players to the goal line.

[K-9]

Here it is plain and simple. If you are content with being 8-8, 7-9, and maybe a long shot of 9-7 then Fitz (the best BACKUP in the league) is your man. If you are sick of not making the playoffs, or wanting to have a fighting chance if they DO make the playoffs at 9-7 then Fitz is NOT your man.

 

FItz is capable of 2 types of games. BAD games and WELL MANAGED games. That is what he has shown in 7 years in the league. The rest of the team is built to a much higher standard that Fitzpatrick the Football Player (not the man who is a great teammate). Keep using him as a "game manager" and hope you do not fall behind to often in games as they did against the Jets. Asking Fitzpatrick to bring you back in a game is way to much. All that it does is build his "garbage stats" and give everyone on here continued false hope as they seem to forget quickly about previous weeks and previous seasons.

 

Here is plainer and simpler: Fitz is our QB no matter what until someone better comes along.

 

You can either bail out now and save yourself from further misery when Fitz most assuredly will do something to piss you off. Or not.

 

There is no need for anyone to constantly remind the rest of us how much Fitz sucks, is limited, yada yada yada. We know. We get it. All I ask is that people not look to nitpick the GOOD sh*t he does on the field.

 

GO BILLS!!!

[Roc Bronson]

 

 

Here is plainer and simpler: Fitz is our QB no matter what until someone better comes along.

 

You can either bail out now and save yourself from further misery when Fitz most assuredly will do something to piss you off. Or not.

 

There is no need for anyone to constantly remind the rest of us how much Fitz sucks, is limited, yada yada yada. We know. We get it. All I ask is that people not look to nitpick the GOOD sh*t he does on the field.

 

GO BILLS!!!

 

This!!!!!

[Kelly the Dog]

There was also an excellent play he made on IIRC the second TD drive. He was rolling out right and looking to throw, I think it was Spiller who ran a hook type pattern and stopped, only a few yards past the LOS. Fitz went to throw and started his motion but Spiller looked away. Fitz stopped and tucked it down and ran for an 8 yard gain or something. I think a lot of guys would have either thrown that pass which would have been incomplete or just thrown it away and he made it a very good play.

[JESSEFEFFER]

I looked again, and it DOES appear the pass in the 3rd quarter was deflected...so there were really only two bad plays all game (and both came early).

 

The Chandler TD was a beautiful throw -- the All-22 shows it brilliantly.

 

Can't buy into your "average" assessment on this one; the film doesn't lie.

 

If you could, please rewatch the 1st attempt to Chandler. Play particular attention to Tyson Jackson who was being blocked by Pears. My theory is that Jackson was in between Fitz and Chandler right at the time Fitz got his shoulders turned after the play fake. Fitz kept rolling to clear him and Jackson kept driving to stay between, thus extending the play. Jackson saw Fitz getting ready to release the ball and extended his left arm in a swiping motion. He got enough of the ball to send it off course and slow it down slightly but not enough where the 99.9+% of the people watching could notice it. If this is so, it eliminates the play that had everyone looking for a rope and a tree. Tyson Jackson was celebrating at the end of this play and for a #3 overall pick, he rarely has anything to celebrate.

[Billsrhody]

i get both sides of the debate on this play. and im on the fence myself. if hes just jumping fitzs first read, fitz doesnt get bonus points for looking at his number one guy. if fitz held on to that side with his eyes intentionally thats a different story.

 

just getting johnson over there by itself isnt an accomplishment though, unless he was trying to do so by deception(or even design). it being a by product of an aggressive linebacker that thinks he wont make it to read 2.... less awesome.

 

Thank you for explaining this.. they did not get what I was saying.

[FreakPop]

Here it is plain and simple. If you are content with being 8-8, 7-9, and maybe a long shot of 9-7 then Fitz (the best BACKUP in the league) is your man. If you are sick of not making the playoffs, or wanting to have a fighting chance if they DO make the playoffs at 9-7 then Fitz is NOT your man.

 

FItz is capable of 2 types of games. BAD games and WELL MANAGED games. That is what he has shown in 7 years in the league. The rest of the team is built to a much higher standard that Fitzpatrick the Football Player (not the man who is a great teammate). Keep using him as a "game manager" and hope you do not fall behind to often in games as they did against the Jets. Asking Fitzpatrick to bring you back in a game is way to much. All that it does is build his "garbage stats" and give everyone on here continued false hope as they seem to forget quickly about previous weeks and previous seasons.

 

Hey boogs, I think you got a hanger!

[Wayne Cubed]

There is just absolutely no way you can know this. I know you can think this, but there is no way for you to know. Many times when a QB comes out with the intention of throwing to a certain receiver, he intentionally does not even glance his way as if he is looking elsewhere to draw attention while the receiver develops his route. I am not saying it is or isn't his first or third read, I am saying at this level of play the "3rd read" is often the first read and intentionally not looked at until the moment he delivers the ball.

 

Obviously I can't know exactly, the play could have been specifically designed so that it looked like Fitz was going through his reads, even though Stevie was his first option. Who knows? My response had more to do with the fact of Fitz doing a great job of looking off the MLB Johnson. Which is what helped get Stevie so open.

[Billsrhody]

There is just absolutely no way you can know this. I know you can think this, but there is no way for you to know. Many times when a QB comes out with the intention of throwing to a certain receiver, he intentionally does not even glance his way as if he is looking elsewhere to draw attention while the receiver develops his route. I am not saying it is or isn't his first or third read, I am saying at this level of play the "3rd read" is often the first read and intentionally not looked at until the moment he delivers the ball.

 

Of course I cant know this but I can make an educated guess. Fitz looks at the first receiver on his left, then the second receiver on his left, then whips his head to the right when they are not open. Then he throws to Stevie who he sees wide open in the middle.

 

So my guess, is that he was going through his first couple of reads and then to his third when the first two were not open.

[NoSaint]

And we've kind of devolved into a place that fits with the old discussion that fans with the 22 will think they know a lot more than they really do.

 

Not terribly, but a hint of that creeping in.

[Wayne Cubed]

Here it is plain and simple. If you are content with being 8-8, 7-9, and maybe a long shot of 9-7 then Fitz (the best BACKUP in the league) is your man. If you are sick of not making the playoffs, or wanting to have a fighting chance if they DO make the playoffs at 9-7 then Fitz is NOT your man.

 

FItz is capable of 2 types of games. BAD games and WELL MANAGED games. That is what he has shown in 7 years in the league. The rest of the team is built to a much higher standard that Fitzpatrick the Football Player (not the man who is a great teammate). Keep using him as a "game manager" and hope you do not fall behind to often in games as they did against the Jets. Asking Fitzpatrick to bring you back in a game is way to much. All that it does is build his "garbage stats" and give everyone on here continued false hope as they seem to forget quickly about previous weeks and previous seasons.

 

Except for the 2 games last year that he brought the Bills back from and won. One of them being the Patriots....

[K-9]

Thank you for explaining this.. they did not get what I was saying.

 

Wrong. What you said was easy to understand for anyone with a rudimentary understanding of the game. Yes, there is a difference between looking off a defender and going to your first read vs. looking at your first read, going through progressions, and hitting a receiver that isn't your primary.

 

We get that.

 

What you don't seem to want to grasp or "get" is that Fitz made a good decision with the ball AFTER the defender primarily responsible for Fitz went to his right AFTER Fitz looked in that direction. Fitz swayed Derrick Johnson's decision to take himself out of position by looking to his left, regardless of whether or not he intended to 'look' him off.

 

Another thing you don't 'get' is that there isn't a graduated ranking of decision making between 'good' and 'great' as you seem to want to argue.

 

We get it, Fitz is not a franchise QB. Like the rest of us, you have a firm grasp of the obvious in that regard. Some of us just don't have to piss on the good things he does by saying they have to be great things instead.

 

GO BILLS!!!

Edited September 19, 2012 by K-9

[Dorkington]

To the Fitz bashers:

 

What do we do now? We have a team that is playoff capable on paper, but some seem set on the fact that Fitz won't let it happen. Do we force TJ into the position? Do we try Thigpen? Do we sign someone who is a FA? Trade for someone else's backup?

 

For all the whining about Fitz, I pretty much never see any solutions offered.

Edited September 19, 2012 by Dorkington

[JESSEFEFFER]

David Lee is quoted as saying Fitz is one of the best he's ever seen at looking the defense off. In fact, he does it so well Lee surmised that was one of the reasons he was losing some accuracy.

 

Yes, he even stated that he wanted Fitz to spend less time looking away and a split second more to survey the field he came back around. He cited as the source of some of his ints when he reviewed every pass play from last year.

[SactoBillFan]

Here is plainer and simpler: Fitz is our QB no matter what until someone better comes along.

 

You can either bail out now and save yourself from further misery when Fitz most assuredly will do something to piss you off. Or not.

 

There is no need for anyone to constantly remind the rest of us how much Fitz sucks, is limited, yada yada yada. We know. We get it. All I ask is that people not look to nitpick the GOOD sh*t he does on the field.

 

GO BILLS!!!

 

Agree...