Mr. WEO Posted September 18, 2012 Posted September 18, 2012 I don't get why people assume that player X (VY, TJax, Freddy, etc...) would run the wildcat better than Smith. Granted it hasn't done much yet, but they showed it yesterday and now teams need to prepare for it a bit. I too would like to see Smith throw out of it at least once to keep the defense honest, but they may be setting that up for a key moment down the road. And the whole use that money to sign a WR, LB, QB is so silly since A. The Bills are not up against the cap, and B. there are really not any players out there to improve the team. No, teams don't have to prepare for it, not even a bit. Do you really think any team devotes more than a few minutes a week "preparing" for what is essentially a run play? Brad Smith has attempted 8 passes in his career. No one is worried about the Bills wildcat.
mrags Posted September 18, 2012 Posted September 18, 2012 No, teams don't have to prepare for it, not even a bit. Do you really think any team devotes more than a few minutes a week "preparing" for what is essentially a run play? Brad Smith has attempted 8 passes in his career. No one is worried about the Bills wildcat. You said it perfectly Weo. And let's not forget, for every team that prepares for the wildcat, the Bills actually have to take time away from thier base offense to practice it. The whole "teams have to take time to prepare for it" argument really is 50/50 at best.
chris heff Posted September 18, 2012 Posted September 18, 2012 I am baffled by the use of two roster spots for Smith and Potter. The wildcat is just another gimmick but for other gimmick plays you don't have a specialist. Smith brings to mind the analogy jack of all master of none. How can he be good at any of his positions? He has to practice the wildcat, QB, WR, and special teams. If you use a roster spot for a kicking specialist he has to kick the ball out of the end zone what? 90%? Potter kicked off six times on Sunday two were returned, not good enough. Wouldn't those roster spots be better used for a WR that just practices at WR and another DB?
mrags Posted September 18, 2012 Posted September 18, 2012 I am baffled by the use of two roster spots for Smith and Potter. The wildcat is just another gimmick but for other gimmick plays you don't have a specialist. Smith brings to mind the analogy jack of all master of none. How can he be good at any of his positions? He has to practice the wildcat, QB, WR, and special teams. If you use a roster spot for a kicking specialist he has to kick the ball out of the end zone what? 90%? Potter kicked off six times on Sunday two were returned, not good enough. Wouldn't those roster spots be better used for a WR that just practices at WR and another DB? Pretty sure Potters returned kicks were into a head wind. But I'll add that Potter has proved in just 2 games and 4 preseason games more than Brad Smith has in over a season. We have essentially been in the drivers seat so far as far as field position is concerned. That's worth a roster spot In my mind. I'll give Smith a few catches for first downs or a few WC runs for first downs but there's no proof to validate that any other RB or WR couldn't have picked that up instead. Heck, CJ is running for an average of a first down whenever he touches the ball right now. Nobody can claim Brad Smith in any formation is better than CJ.
apuszczalowski Posted September 18, 2012 Posted September 18, 2012 People that see value in Brad Smith - The Bills Front Office - The Bills Coaching Staff - Rex Ryan and the Jets coaching staff - The Announcers who talked about Smith being one of the best Wildcat QBs in the league - Small group of posters on this board People that believe brad Smith Sucks and has no value - large group of Armchair GMs on an Internet message board So there you have it, the experts have spoken, Brad Smith is worthless and should be cut immediatly so they can join in the bidding Frenzy that is the Roosevelt sweepstakes!
zow2 Posted September 18, 2012 Posted September 18, 2012 Considering the lack of FG attempts in weeks 1 & 2 I'd say that Potter has been much more valuable than Lindell. Heck, you could've deactivated Lindell and played a regular position guy....I'm sure Potter could have nailed the extra points.
Maybe Someday Posted September 18, 2012 Posted September 18, 2012 See what you did there? It's no different than some people saying Brad Smith should be cut because he sucks. He has never done what you say will change our tunes so what evidence do you have to support him on this team? A few catches doesn't deserve a roster spot IMO but you are correct, his contract is now guaranteed and it would be pointless to cut him now. He really isn't any good for us. He has about 3 plays like he had on Sunday that deserve praise but the rest are easily attainable by our other RBs or WRs we have on the roster. I get the whole, "he's versitle" arguement but he not any good at any of the positions he plays. Dare I sat with more playing time some young prospect like Roosevelt or Easley would be better. Of course it's not a guarantee, but Smith hasn't really shown much to prove his worth. Certainly not $4m a years worth. But hey, it's not my money. I only pay for season tickets, countless hundreds on parking, countless thousands in tailgate essentials, booze for the tailgate, booze in the stadium, jerseys and other Bills memorabilia, countless hundreds in gas to travel back and forth to St John Fischer to watch pointless practices, hundreds of hours that I waste in sick days and vacation days at work to go to games or watch games, and an infinate amount of hours I spend reading about this team, watching this team, spend on this site and post. I don't feel like it's a wste at all ;-) When they start winning going to the playoffs, I'll stop questioning some of the questionable descisions they make and just trust they will do the right things. Actually, I think my post is different. You cut out the whole middle of my post where I explain why I think cutting him now is pointless but then go on to agree with part of that reasoning. You don’t have to agree with me but it’s not like I just stated he’s the man and left it at that. I said…or at least what I was trying to say in that point is that there is a possibility of him throwing the ball and if he hits one for a deep TD, people would change their tune. You’ve been on TSW long enough to see how some posters completely change their outlook from week to week. Kind of like how after week 1, this team was going 0-16 but now that we won a game, the sky isn’t falling quite as fast anymore. With our offense and the limitations that Fitz has, we need as many different dimensions as possible to give the opposing defense as many different things to work on as we can. The more time they have to spend on our wildcat, even if it is only for a short time, the less time that they have to work on other things to disrupt us. Let me be clear, I like Brad Smith but as player #46 on this roster…1 guy that can do a bunch of different little things to help us win. He’s pretty good on special teams (other than KO returns) and has stepped up to make some plays at WR when we needed him. I also don’t think we cut some diamond in the rough to keep him on the roster.
BuffBill Posted September 18, 2012 Posted September 18, 2012 if only we were tight on funds. but since we are not - why be upset? I couldn't care less about what money he makes, why is he on this roster? What has he done in 18 games now? Nothing memorable to me and I have seen every snap of every game. He loses yardage more often then he gains any yards. The couple times he has thrown he makes Trent Edwards look like Joe Montana. The only thing he has done halfway decent since he was signed was when he filled in as receiver, and when he does that he can't stay healthy. I would rather see them fill that roster spot with Naaman Roosevelt or someone who can contribute on gameday. People that see value in Brad Smith - The Bills Front Office - The Bills Coaching Staff - Rex Ryan and the Jets coaching staff - The Announcers who talked about Smith being one of the best Wildcat QBs in the league - Small group of posters on this board People that believe brad Smith Sucks and has no value - large group of Armchair GMs on an Internet message board So there you have it, the experts have spoken, Brad Smith is worthless and should be cut immediatly so they can join in the bidding Frenzy that is the Roosevelt sweepstakes! Your post is quite accurate, sadly though those armchair GM's are proving to be far more correct then any of the above individuals you listed. Nice try though. The Bills version of the wildcat is a big JOKE! Smith hands the ball off to Spiller. They're paying Smith a couple mill a year to hand the ball off to Spiller in the wildcat. Fitz can hand if off to Spiller and they wouldn't need Smith. That would save them a couple mill. Now come on, every once in awhile he keeps it himself or a 2-4 yard loss or at best no gain. Give the guy a break.
QCity Posted September 18, 2012 Posted September 18, 2012 People that see value in Brad Smith - The Bills Front Office - The Bills Coaching Staff - Rex Ryan and the Jets coaching staff - The Announcers who talked about Smith being one of the best Wildcat QBs in the league - Small group of posters on this board People that believe brad Smith Sucks and has no value - large group of Armchair GMs on an Internet message board So there you have it, the experts have spoken, Brad Smith is worthless and should be cut immediately so they can join in the bidding Frenzy that is the Roosevelt sweepstakes! Soooo true. If you're in the "you don't have to prepare for it" group, you've pretty much just admitted that you have never worn a jock in your life or been in a football practice at any level. Nothing memorable to me and I have seen every snap of every game. Maybe you should open your eyes or sober up when watching? Smith made an amazing catch to keep a drive alive when the game was still close and the offense was sputtering. But like most armchair fans, I guess if it wasn't a TD it didn't matter, right?
Malazan Posted September 18, 2012 Posted September 18, 2012 Your post is quite accurate, sadly though those armchair GM's are proving to be far more correct then any of the above individuals you listed. Nice try though. Only in their own minds. The Stats are on the side of the experts.
mrags Posted September 18, 2012 Posted September 18, 2012 People that see value in Brad Smith - The Bills Front Office - The Bills Coaching Staff - Rex Ryan and the Jets coaching staff - The Announcers who talked about Smith being one of the best Wildcat QBs in the league - Small group of posters on this board People that believe brad Smith Sucks and has no value - large group of Armchair GMs on an Internet message board So there you have it, the experts have spoken, Brad Smith is worthless and should be cut immediatly so they can join in the bidding Frenzy that is the Roosevelt sweepstakes! Except the Bills FO and coaching staff has barely used him to any potential. Overpaid for sub average overrated player of many positions. Rex Ryan and the Jets coaching staff loved him so much they let him walk in FA. Regardless of how much they say they miss him or wanted him on thier team, if you truly want someone you don't let them walk for nothing. Instead they got a REAL WR, even if he was out of the league for a few years. And probably the best option for a WC QB available. The same idiot announcers that everyone complains about that can't get anything right or the fact that they can't remember names or numbers of the guys in thier particular games. There's a small group of posters here that just can't get over the fact that the WC doesn't work other than picking up 2-3 yards or the fact that Brad Smith is an overrated, overhyped, overpaid chump that NONE of us would feel comfortable about having him in as our starting QB, or starting WR, or starting KRer. The "Experts" might have spoken but those are the same experts that think Samchez is a good QB, Fitz is a good QB, the Jets are the greatest team on the planet, the Bills are moving to Toronto, etc.... The kist can go on and on. When we all knew that Edwards was absolutely horrible and should have been cut, this same "Expert" coaching staff decided to give him more time to see if he was any good. So I will add that the so called "armchair GMs" might be just as knowledgable as some of the so called "experts". Here's some other winders over the years that many people on this board knew even thought the so called experts hadn't seen it. Greer Peters Jackson Stevie Johnson Spiller etc... And the list of players the so called experts knew would be great. Fitz Edwards McCargo McKelvin Youboty Poz Whitner Maybin Dockery Walker Etc..... It works both ways. When you call us Brad Smith and WC haters idiots for seeing past the BS, we can simply say the same about the WC and BS fans for falling for the false crap that the "experts" feed you.
BuffBill Posted September 18, 2012 Posted September 18, 2012 Soooo true. If you're in the "you don't have to prepare for it" group, you've pretty much just admitted that you have never worn a jock in your life or been in a football practice at any level. Maybe you should open your eyes or sober up when watching? Smith made an amazing catch to keep a drive alive when the game was still close and the offense was sputtering. But like most armchair fans, I guess if it wasn't a TD it didn't matter, right? I had my eyes open and i don't drink, but apparently you do-"Amazing"?????????
AllenToBrown2020 Posted September 18, 2012 Posted September 18, 2012 (edited) He did. Very nice cause it wasn't the tightest of spirals from you know who. Also, I have no problem w/ Smith as long as he doesn't try to return KOs from 5yds deep in the endzone. What, is Fitzy Lord Voldemort now? Edited September 18, 2012 by Scott CHANdler
Mr. WEO Posted September 18, 2012 Posted September 18, 2012 People that see value in Brad Smith - The Bills Front Office - The Bills Coaching Staff - Rex Ryan and the Jets coaching staff - The Announcers who talked about Smith being one of the best Wildcat QBs in the league - Small group of posters on this board People that believe brad Smith Sucks and has no value - large group of Armchair GMs on an Internet message board So there you have it, the experts have spoken, Brad Smith is worthless and should be cut immediatly so they can join in the bidding Frenzy that is the Roosevelt sweepstakes! Ok, now your bullsh**t has reached a new level. The one of the best wildcat QBs in the league? Well that is your proof right there that the WC is a joke. As a "QB" (wildcat or otherwise), Smith's stats almost nonexistent. He has completed 4 passes in 5 years (1 more than Moorman). He has run 22 times in the past 2 seasons at 4.2 a carry (mostly on 1st and 2nd downs--not for 3rd down conversions). He has caught 35 passes in the last 4 years. Those are the "stats". No need for an armchair to raise the question the OP raised. And suggesting that GMs/scouts/HCs, etc, are not capable of making errors in jugement or evaulation (and claiming lay people are not able to make the correct judgement other than by luck) is so obviously wrong that I don;t know how you can say that with a straight face.
3rdand12 Posted September 18, 2012 Posted September 18, 2012 No, teams don't have to prepare for it, not even a bit. Do you really think any team devotes more than a few minutes a week "preparing" for what is essentially a run play? Brad Smith has attempted 8 passes in his career. No one is worried about the Bills wildcat. In his NFL career sir! He was a qb in the college years as you surely know. " No one is worried about the Bills wildcat." seems like a whole bunch of folks here abouts are quite concerned if not outright outraged that this is going on under Nix's watchful eye. I will continue to be vigilant about this. I was delighted to actually see it used last week. A bit rough but was fun to root for. The passing is the key. He's gotta throw. Someones besides Fitz gotta throw for the formation to make it respectable
BoBills20 Posted September 18, 2012 Posted September 18, 2012 What "legit" WR's are you referring to? T.O.? PTR Maybe Burress? Tough to turn down a 6'5" target in the red-zone. He caught 8 TD's last season, frankly I'm surprised he's available.
QCity Posted September 18, 2012 Posted September 18, 2012 I had my eyes open and i don't drink, but apparently you do-"Amazing"????????? It's easy to downplay the achievements of someone you hate. I just watched that grab again, Naaman Roosevelt doesn't make that play in his dreams.
Mr. WEO Posted September 19, 2012 Posted September 19, 2012 In his NFL career sir! He was a qb in the college years as you surely know. Years ago he was a college QB. So were a good number of NFL WRs. What's your point? You think opposing D coordinators are losing sleep over a "QB" who never throws?
3rdand12 Posted September 19, 2012 Posted September 19, 2012 not yet. You said he has not completed a ball or something obtuse. and he may not throw. But i think with my all seeing power, thinks he can and will. For now no one at all is losing sleep. Thats how Chan and i sneak up on you.
cantankerous Posted September 19, 2012 Posted September 19, 2012 Brad Smith is preventing us from re-signing Lee Evans you fool. This made me lol (literally).
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