The religion of peace.

[meazza]

That sounds like rationalization and appeasement to me. Which is the root of the problem? Someone making movies or a segment of the population acting irrationally and violently every time they get their feathers ruffled?

 

She was dressed way too provocatively.

 

I'm looking for fewer appologies, and more total war. Our response to these types of things should be a carpet bombing, full-scale invasion, and elimination of all people (regardless of age, gender, or military status)and finally a colonization either by us or by our sale or leasing of the land.

 

What rate?

[B-Man]

That sounds like rationalization and appeasement to me. Which is the root of the problem? Someone making movies or a segment of the population acting irrationally and violently every time they get their feathers ruffled?

 

Appeasement will never work, Joe_the_Neville_Chamberlain. If we compromise our own freedom of speech now, where does it end? Dangerous precedent.

 

First the Cairo embassy stupidly comments on “religious incitement”: In addition to being wrongheaded, these little announcements are self-defeating. When you issue such statements, you encourage the view that the government is somehow responsible for the speech you’re condemning. Even if you succeed in calming the crowds — and to judge from what happened yesterday, you shouldn’t expect to achieve even that much — any fringe film that you haven’t anathematized can become the next cause célèbre. And if you think you can keep pumping out statements attacking every one of them, ponder what will happen if a mob decides to riot over the comments of a congressman, or someone else that a diplomat wouldn’t want to officially denounce. Better to embrace free speech from the beginning than to lend support to the idea that your job requires you to sort acceptable expression from bad.

 

 

 

As Mark notes:

The mob of “Islamic rage boys” gets mad about all kinds of stuff — cartoons, dogs, teddy bears. You can never make a long enough list to satisfy them. So you might as well tell them you’re not going to start.

 

 

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/316664/re-free-speech-free-speech-free-speech-andrew-stuttaford

[TakeYouToTasker]

A 50% share of all resources extracted.

[truth on hold]

 

That sounds like rationalization and appeasement to me.

Easy for you to toss around generic labels far removed from harms way. You might feel different if it were you or a family member in a hot spot like that and some !@#$s in america were stirring the spot. Its a horrible situation to put our representatives overseas in.

[TakeYouToTasker]

Easy for you to toss around generic labels far removed from harms way. You might feel different if it were you or a family member in a hot spot like that and some !@#$s in america were stirring the spot. Its a horrible situation to put our representatives overseas in.

They go there as a representative of our values, key amongst those are Freedom of Speech, and non-appeasment. If they don't feel they're up to the task then they don't have to go.

[Jauronimo]

Easy for you to toss around generic labels far removed from harms way. You might feel different if it were you or a family member in a hot spot like that and some !@#$s in america were stirring the spot. Its a horrible situation to put our representatives overseas in.

I'm pretty sure they're aware of the risks of representing the U.S. in Libya.

 

Do you really think those responsible needed much of a reason to murder Americans? Were they just ordinary citizens who happen to have a few extra rocket propelled grenades laying around? Was this a fit of passion or temporary insanity, or was this already in the works? The Al Qaeda insignia certainly suggests the reason was mere opportunism.

 

These men need no provocation. If its not this movie, its the Van Gogh movie, or a danish cartoon, or occupying Arab lands, or anti-burka laws, or Palestine, or backing the Shah, or supporting Israel, or American Idol and Baywatch, or the f@#$ing Crusades.

Edited September 12, 2012 by Jauronimo

[Gary M]

Seems the movie wasn't a factor..

 

http://www.nytimes.c...moc.semityn.www

 

They are mad at Obama..

 

demonstrators reportedly chanted “Obama! Obama! We are all Osama!”

 

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/zawahiris-brother-cairo-embassy-assault_652217.html

Edited September 12, 2012 by Gary M

[IDBillzFan]

http://www.buzzfeed....f-at-romney-cai

 

Mixed responses regarding Romney responding about the same way LABillz does

 

Buzzfeed? What...no DailyKos?

 

It's amazing to me that Americans are murdered by terrorists, and liberals like yourself spend the entire day talking about Romney. Could you possibly be ANY more desperate than you are right now?

 

Are you also critical of Obama for crying about Romney last night before he commented on the murders? Are you also critical of the fact that after a five-minute howdeedoo on TV this morning, Obama is off to Vegas today to campaign and raise more money?

 

No. Of course not. All you can see is the idiocy fed to you by your progressive messengers.

 

Off to Vegas, baby. Libya and Egypt can wait!!!

[Gary M]

Buzzfeed? What...no DailyKos?

 

It's amazing to me that Americans are murdered by terrorists, and liberals like yourself spend the entire day talking about Romney. Could you possibly be ANY more desperate than you are right now?

 

Are you also critical of Obama for crying about Romney last night before he commented on the murders? Are you also critical of the fact that after a five-minute howdeedoo on TV this morning, Obama is off to Vegas today to campaign and raise more money?

 

No. Of course not. All you can see is the idiocy fed to you by your progressive messengers.

 

Off to Vegas, baby. Libya and Egypt can wait!!!

This is why he couldn't meet with Netanyahu

[IDBillzFan]

This is why he couldn't meet with Netanyahu

 

Vegas. Letterman. The Pimp With A Limp. This Obama dude is totes bitchin', man.

 

But hey...Romney, Romney, Romney!!!!! Next thing you know some dumbass will want the filmmaker put in prison because he hurt the feelings of a few otherwise peaceful people.

[erynthered]

WTF??????

 

http://www.weeklysta...kid_652234.html

 

 

After President Obama delivered remarks on Libya this morning from the White House--and before his planned trip to Las Vegas--he visited the State Department to deliver more personal and more private remarks. He wanted to offer encouragement after four State Department workers were murdered yesterday in Libya.

 

A State Department official described the event to the White House pooler.

 

"Obama spoke for about 15 minutes to a large crowd gathered in the courtyard in the middle of the State Department Building. There were at least a couple of hundred people gathered for the president's remarks, some people watching from the windows," according to the pooler.

 

 

 

He talked about how important the foreign service is and what a great job it does representing the U.S. abroad. He also had a line about how he understands the value of the foreign service because he spent so much time as a kid growing up abroad.

 

 

 

He also spoke highly of the Ambassador Chris Stevens and the other officials who died in the attack. He concluded his visit by shaking dozens of hands and talking one-on-one with people, who seemed very appreciative for the visit.

 

The official said it seemed as if Obama was speaking off the cuff, not from prepared remarks.

[dayman]

Salafists in Egypt, whose Al-Nour Party, or "Party of Light," emerged as the second strongest force in Egypt's 2011 parliamentary elections for the now dissolved People's Assembly, called for protests. Storming the embassy in Cairo was also a show of force aimed at President Mohammed Morsi, a member of the Muslim Brotherhood who the Salafists find too pro-US.

 

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/muhammad-film-triggers-violent-protests-in-cairo-and-benghazi-a-855484.html

[3rdnlng]

The embasssy's initial response:

 

 

[/url]

U.S. Embassy Condemns Religious Incitement

 

September 11, 2012

 

"The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others."

 

 

http://egypt.usembassy.gov/pr091112.html

[IDBillzFan]

The WH knows how to stop the violence that lead to the timed murder of four Americans.

 

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/09/12/obama-dempsey-jones/70000214/1?csp=34news&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+usatoday-NewsTopStories+%28News+-+Top+Stories%29#.UFD3NbJlTnh

 

The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff called a Florida pastor today, asking him to withdraw his support of an anti-Islam online film that may have triggered riots in Egypt and Libya. A statement from Marine Col. David Lapan: "The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Martin E. Dempsey, spoke by phone this morning with Pastor Terry Jones. In the brief call, Gen. Dempsey expressed his concerns over the nature of the film, the tensions it will inflame and the violence it will cause. He asked Mr. Jones to consider withdrawing his support for the film."

 

Yes. That's right. The film is causing the violence.

 

Longest. Amateur. Hour. Ever.

[1billsfan]

The WH knows how to stop the violence that lead to the timed murder of four Americans.

 

http://content.usato...s)#.UFD3NbJlTnh

 

 

 

Yes. That's right. The film is causing the violence.

 

Longest. Amateur. Hour. Ever.

 

Rage boy...

 

http://michellemalkin.com/2012/09/12/egyptian-faux-rage-deadly-american-dhimmitude-and-the-return-of-islamic-rage-boy/

 

"When everything from sneakers to stuffed animals to comics to frescos to beauty queens to fast-food packaging to undies serves as dry tinder for Allah’s avengers, it’s a grand farce to feign concern about the recruitment effect of a few burnt Korans in the hands of a two-bit attention-seeker in Florida. The eternal flame of Muslim outrage was lit a long, long time ago."

[B-Man]

Timing: The assaults came exactly on the eleventh anniversary of bin Laden’s and al-Qaeda’s attack on America. If there was any doubt about the intent of the timing, the appearance of black al-Qaedist flags among the mobs removed it. The chanting of Osama bin Laden’s name made it doubly clear who were the heroes of the Egyptian mob. Why should we be surprised by the lackluster response of the Egyptian and Libyan “authorities” to protect diplomatic sanctuaries, given the nature of the “governments” in both countries? One of the Egyptian demonstration’s organizers was Mohamed al-Zawahiri, the brother of the top deputy to Osama bin Laden, and a planner of the 9/11 attacks, which were led by Mohamed Atta, an Egyptian citizen.

 

Ingratitude: Egypt is currently a beneficiary of more than $1 billion in annual American aid, and its new Muslim Brotherhood–led government is negotiating to have much of its sizable U.S. debt forgiven. Libya, remember, was the recipient of the Obama administration’s “lead from behind” intervention that led to the removal of Moammar Qaddafi — and apparently gave the present demonstrators the freedom to kill Americans.

 

 

 

Expect the mainstream media to grow ever more hysterical in its effort to silence Mitt Romney and shame him into passivity. In 2007 and 2008 they willingly sold us on a fantasy — that our new president could “change the tone” and heal the wound in the Middle East with the force of his identity and personality. The concept was absurd from the start, and now the extent of their folly is being revealed in the midst of a presidential campaign. Already we see the media more keen on condemning Romney for his appropriate and forceful statement last night than on investigating how two of our diplomatic compounds were breached on the same day (again, on September 11, no less).

 

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/316604/storming-embassies-killing-ambassadors-and-smart-diplomacy-victor-davis-hanson

[dayman]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/david-ignatius-cairo-and-libya-attacks-point-to-radicals-jockeying-for-power/2012/09/12/d0d687d2-fcff-11e1-b153-218509a954e1_story.html

 

Another (domestic) article expanding on the one from the German international section.

 

Seems the consensus among major media outlets is that radical Islamic groups in both Libya and Egypt are not happy with the "more" moderate regime in Egypt and largely secular regime in Libya. . This mixes with pervasive anti-Americanism that is ever present in all radical communities (probably with good reason ... given that they are radical Islam) ... local political opportunism mixed with radical Islam anti-Americanism combine to create a powder keg set off by some stupid video (which really just gave them an excuse).

 

Some reddit links to pictures of pro-American counter rally in Libya

 

http://imgur.com/a/tlCyI

[dayman]

Another interesting bit:

http://www.democracyarsenal.org/2012/09/unknown-and-known.html

 

We also don’t know as much as we thought we knew about the film that sparked the first round of protests. Reporting before and immediately after the protests identified an “Israeli” or “Jewish American” film producer, Sam Bacile, who had posted on YouTube an incendiary trailer for a film, funded by “100 Jewish donors” and promoted by Terry Jones, the Florida pastor of 2010 Koran-burning fame. Subsequent reporting has brought his religion, nationality and very existence into question, and the only thing that seems clear is that someone was eager to fan the flames of sectarian hatred – and not eager to be identified. The actors and crew now say they were misled, thinking they were making a film about a “generic Egyptian” named “Master George,” with the most incendiary lines appear to have been (poorly) overdubbed after filming. In one scene, the dubbed voice says “Mohammed” while the actor’s lips appear to say “George.”

[IDBillzFan]

Another interesting bit:

http://www.democracy...-and-known.html

 

We also don’t know as much as we thought we knew about the film that sparked the first round of protests. Reporting before and immediately after the protests identified an “Israeli” or “Jewish American” film producer, Sam Bacile, who had posted on YouTube an incendiary trailer for a film, funded by “100 Jewish donors” and promoted by Terry Jones, the Florida pastor of 2010 Koran-burning fame. Subsequent reporting has brought his religion, nationality and very existence into question, and the only thing that seems clear is that someone was eager to fan the flames of sectarian hatred – and not eager to be identified. The actors and crew now say they were misled, thinking they were making a film about a “generic Egyptian” named “Master George,” with the most incendiary lines appear to have been (poorly) overdubbed after filming. In one scene, the dubbed voice says “Mohammed” while the actor’s lips appear to say “George.”

 

 

Uhhh, you know that event he WH is saying this was a planned attack and had nothing to really do with this film, right?

 

Or are you in the camp that says the film causes violence?

[truth on hold]

 

 

Rage boy...

 

http://michellemalkin.com/2012/09/12/egyptian-faux-rage-deadly-american-dhimmitude-and-the-return-of-islamic-rage-boy/

 

"When everything from sneakers to stuffed animals to comics to frescos to beauty queens to fast-food packaging to undies serves as dry tinder for Allah’s avengers, it’s a grand farce to feign concern about the recruitment effect of a few burnt Korans in the hands of a two-bit attention-seeker in Florida. The eternal flame of Muslim outrage was lit a long, long time ago."

Funny though malkin. And her crew have been stumping for US to wage all out war with Iran based on a sentence not even refetencing america from an on the way out politician of a 3rd rate power. Talk about sensitive ... geesh.

Edited September 12, 2012 by Joe_the_6_pack