The religion of peace.

[3rdnlng]

So its bidens fault because he rightfully points our america brought to justice a guy who killed 3000 Americans, without ever mentioning the word "Islam", but you're good with Gingrich unprovoked saying "Palestinians are an invented people" and Romney saying Palestinian culture (read Islam) is to blame for their plight, and not Israeli occupation we support?

 

Can you explain the "Occupied Territories" and how they became "occupied"?

[CosmicBills]

Great all we need; another what about the crusades/Spanish inquisition voice here to justify a act of violence committed in the name of Islam two day's ago. Give me the Christian "body count" particulars please.

Sigh. You're ridiculous.

 

I'm not justifying any violence, try reading what I wrote. I know you ain't one for all this fancified readin' and writin' but it helps to know what you're talking about before you speak. And if you want body count particulars pick up a book. Western history was written with the blood of those who died in the name of Christ. We would not exist as a nation had it not been for the Christian funded expansion into the new world.

 

Saying Christianity isn't a religion with a violent, bloody and genocidal past is woefully ignorant. Especially if you're attempting to hold it up in comparison to the horrors done in the name of Allah. It's no contest. Christains win by a landslide.

 

What's ridiculous about it prove your point.

 

I'm not comparing the Moor invasion or the crusades. I'm speaking of modern civilized times.

How you are comparing 12 centuries ago to today to prove "see its all religions" is stupid.

 

 

Prove me wrong.

If you think the violence of Christianity stopped 12 centuries ago you're a bigger fool than I thought.

[3rdnlng]

I just don't understand how these nations still don't like us after over 3 years of the coolest administration ever.

 

It's clear that the two dozen countries that have had anti U.S. protests or riots are upset with Obama for having accepted a million dollar donation from an anti-Islamic filmaker:

 

 

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2012/09/15/Obama-Contribution-Anti-Islam-Filmmaker

 

 

 

Even though "the movie" was on YouTube for months prior to the collective indignation of thousands of Middle Eastern Islamists all coming together on the eleventh anniversary of September 11th (through a wild coincidence, no doubt), we are being told by our government and our media overlords that we must blame the movie.

You see, if we blame the movie for the burning of our foreign outposts and the brutal murders of four Americans (including our Libyan ambassador who was reportedly raped), we won't blame the burners and the looters and the murderers and the rapists.

You see, if we blame the movie for the Middle East burning, we won't blame the Islamists who are doing the burning and looting and raping and murdering.

[Nanker]

It's clear that the two dozen countries that have had anti U.S. protests or riots are upset with Obama for having accepted a million dollar donation from an anti-Islamic filmaker:

 

 

http://www.breitbart...Islam-Filmmaker

 

 

 

Even though "the movie" was on YouTube for months prior to the collective indignation of thousands of Middle Eastern Islamists all coming together on the eleventh anniversary of September 11th (through a wild coincidence, no doubt), we are being told by our government and our media overlords that we must blame the movie.

You see, if we blame the movie for the burning of our foreign outposts and the brutal murders of four Americans (including our Libyan ambassador who was reportedly raped), we won't blame the burners and the looters and the murderers and the rapists.

You see, if we blame the movie for the Middle East burning, we won't blame the Islamists who are doing the burning and looting and raping and murdering.

Well, the media hasn't stopped blaming Romney for his part in all of this.

[3rdnlng]

Sigh. You're ridiculous.

 

I'm not justifying any violence, try reading what I wrote. I know you ain't one for all this fancified readin' and writin' but it helps to know what you're talking about before you speak. And if you want body count particulars pick up a book. Western history was written with the blood of those who died in the name of Christ. We would not exist as a nation had it not been for the Christian funded expansion into the new world.

 

Saying Christianity isn't a religion with a violent, bloody and genocidal past is woefully ignorant. Especially if you're attempting to hold it up in comparison to the horrors done in the name of Allah. It's no contest. Christains win by a landslide.

 

 

If you think the violence of Christianity stopped 12 centuries ago you're a bigger fool than I thought.

 

Christianity has a violent past, no doubt. Between Christianity and Islam, who has the violent present?

Edited September 15, 2012 by 3rdnlng

[Nanker]

Wait a doggone minute. IUDs may be pretty violent, but nobody's suggesting they've ever been wrapped up like a present.

[CosmicBills]

Forget it, I am still waiting for his landslide Christian body count. Guarantee he brings up Hitler.

No, because unlike you I actually understand history. Implying Hitler was in any way a Christian is as foolish as arguing Christianity wasn't forged in violence.

 

Now, if you want to talk about Pius XII, then we can have a discussion about the virtues of Christianity in our world's darkest hours.

[Doc]

Well, the media hasn't stopped blaming Romney for his part in all of this.

But...there is no media bias.

[Jim in Anchorage]

Sigh. You're ridiculous.

 

I'm not justifying any violence, try reading what I wrote. I know you ain't one for all this fancified readin' and writin' but it helps to know what you're talking about before you speak. And if you want body count particulars pick up a book. Western history was written with the blood of those who died in the name of Christ. We would not exist as a nation had it not been for the Christian funded expansion into the new world.

 

Saying Christianity isn't a religion with a violent, bloody and genocidal past is woefully ignorant. Especially if you're attempting to hold it up in comparison to the horrors done in the name of Allah. It's no contest. Christains win by a landslide.

 

 

If you think the violence of Christianity stopped 12 centuries ago you're a bigger fool than I thought.

Don't know about that reading and writing stuff, but in my illiterate interpretation of your post, you are holding up Queen Isabella as a example of Christan brutality? As opposed to people killing us today? Maybe You should quit reading your beloved history books and pick up a paper and learn what happened today.

[CosmicBills]

Don't know about that reading and writing stuff, but in my illiterate interpretation of your post, you are holding up Queen Isabella as a example of Christan brutality? As opposed to people killing us today? Maybe You should quit reading your beloved history books and pick up a paper and learn what happened today.

Not quite the point, but good effort.

 

Tell me, who's killing us today?

[Jim in Anchorage]

Not quite the point, but good effort.

 

Tell me, who's killing us today?

Now who has his head in the sand? Glad you appreciate my efforts to get you out of the 14th century to excuse a killing day before yesterday.

[CosmicBills]

Now who has his head in the sand? Glad you appreciate my efforts to get you out of the 14th century to excuse a killing day before yesterday.

No, I'm serious. Who attacked us? Do they speak for an entire religion?

[Jauronimo]

No, I'm serious. Who attacked us? Do they speak for an entire religion?

It seems at times that they do. The majority does not seem to have a voice. When they do speak up its generally a condemnation of any and all violence immediately followed with a large but...you must understand.

[Jim in Anchorage]

No, I'm serious. Who attacked us? Do they speak for an entire religion?

Do they? I don't know. But I think they have general support. How in Gods name do you enlightened types support a religion that puts a bullet in a woman's head for going outdoors without a relative male escort? I have never understood that.

[CosmicBills]

Do they? I don't know. But I think they have general support. How in Gods name do you enlightened types support a religion that puts a bullet in a woman's head for going outdoors without a relative male escort? I have never understood that.

So your suggestion is what? Eliminate Islam?

[meazza]

So your suggestion is what? Eliminate Islam?

 

There is no actual solution despite what presidential candidates and incumbents would have you believe.

Edited September 15, 2012 by meazza

[CosmicBills]

There is no actual solution despite what presidential candidates and incumbents would have you believe.

Of course not because they aren't identifying the real culprit. Then again neither are Jim or Kool Aid.

 

Religion has always been used as a tool of the wicked to manipulate others. But that doesn't discount all the benefits religion has brought to our world. No one can deny the good that the Catholic Church has done throughout time. The fact remains that organized religion, almost by definition, fosters an "us against them" mentality and that creates opportunities to exploit believers to do perverted things in the name of "God". This isn't unique to Islam just as it's not unique to Christianity. Attempting to solve this problem by attacking Islam as a whole is narrow minded and accomplishes nothing but continuing the cycle of violence.

 

We haven't been attacked by Islam. Ever. We've been attacked by men who perverted a religion to create fanatics willing to do unspeakable things in the name of "God". That doesn't make those men the voice of Islam. To say those men have the full support of Islam simply because they pray to Allah is as true as me saying the KKK has the full support of Christians. It's a ridiculous and DANGEROUS leap to make.

[truth on hold]

That's true especially when you consider with over 1 billion Muslims the number of protestors world wide is close to 0 as a % of Muslims. A much smaller fraction than the number of "occupy" protestors in America.

[Jim in Anchorage]

So your suggestion is what? Eliminate Islam?

No. But I suggest we quit apologizing to them for things that happened centuries ago. The British colonized India. Would you be sympathetic if a Hindu flew a plane into Big Ben? Serves em right?

My thought is just get the hell out of there, and that includes Israel. The whole region is about religion and tribes. Might as well be Africa. Screw the oil, put a nuclear power plant on every street corner if that's want it takes. Yes I am aware that some of the country's we call middle East are in Africa.

[drinkTHEkoolaid]

 

Of course not because they aren't identifying the real culprit. Then again neither are Jim or Kool Aid.

 

Religion has always been used as a tool of the wicked to manipulate others. But that doesn't discount all the benefits religion has brought to our world. No one can deny the good that the Catholic Church has done throughout time. The fact remains that organized religion, almost by definition, fosters an "us against them" mentality and that creates opportunities to exploit believers to do perverted things in the name of "God". This isn't unique to Islam just as it's not unique to Christianity. Attempting to solve this problem by attacking Islam as a whole is narrow minded and accomplishes nothing but continuing the cycle of violence.

 

We haven't been attacked by Islam. Ever. We've been attacked by men who perverted a religion to create fanatics willing to do unspeakable things in the name of "God". That doesn't make those men the voice of Islam. To say those men have the full support of Islam simply because they pray to Allah is as true as me saying the KKK has the full support of Christians. It's a ridiculous and DANGEROUS leap to make.

The difference....which is a huge difference is that the KKK do not speak for all christians. Even if the KKK claimed to it wouldn't fly. Why not? Because average mainstream regular christians would immediatly denounce it.

 

Once again...militant islamic jihadists do claim to be the authority on islam. They have imams and clerics who teach and support them and in general it seems many regular muslims are either indifferent or condone their actions.

 

It is not logical or relevant to compare who did what or who was worse going back centuries. What matters right now in modern civilized times our country and citizens are routinely attacked by militant islamists. Period. Christians, jews, hindus,sikhs,buddhists are all irrelevant.

 

Nojustice has a very interesting take on the problem coming from his perspective which I can respect.

 

But I am not going to ignore the problem and for whatever reason whether I'm afraid of being called a racist, xenophobe, hate monger or whatever catchy phrase the left thinks up to enable these people to continue their barbaric behavior. Their actions are not compatible with a civilized society. Period.

 

Did you see riots death threats and honor killings for the million art exhibits or movies depicting christians, jesus,god, mary etc...negatively or disgracefully? No.

 

Why do others condone these idiots storming embassies and marginalizing their behavior that they just can't control themselves so its not their fault we should know better. Wtf logic is that? Let's start world apology tour 14 and apologize for being americans with freedoms and enable more douchebags to feel empowered and that they are right.