buffaloboyinATL Posted September 5, 2012 Posted September 5, 2012 (edited) Nothing ground breakig so far: He is plugging his book "The Playbook for Dads" Said team that makes the in-game adjustemnts the best will win Bills/Jets game Said good rookies in league shows that there are a lot of not very good QB's in NFL right now Said teams need good passing game and solid D to win Championships pretty lite segment. Edited September 5, 2012 by buffaloboyinATL
mrags Posted September 5, 2012 Posted September 5, 2012 I would disagree with Jim on the QBs thing. Seems to me the QBs are possibly better than they've ever been. Brady Manning Manning Rothlisberger Brees Rivers Newton Luck Schaub Romo Ryan That's pretty close to 50% of the QBs being elite enough that Jim wouldn't even be on that list during his days. Heck, even Fitz threw right around Jims career year stats last year. It's another topic I guess, just wanted to stress my dissagreement with the HOFer. Thanks BBIA. Any other info?
BarkLessWagMore Posted September 5, 2012 Posted September 5, 2012 That's pretty close to 50% of the QBs being elite enough that Jim wouldn't even be on that list during his days. Heck, even Fitz threw right around Jims career year stats last year. kidding, right? If not then you're absolutely crazy.
buffaloboyinATL Posted September 5, 2012 Author Posted September 5, 2012 I would disagree with Jim on the QBs thing. Seems to me the QBs are possibly better than they've ever been. That's pretty close to 50% of the QBs being elite enough that Jim wouldn't even be on that list during his days. Heck, even Fitz threw right around Jims career year stats last year. It's another topic I guess, just wanted to stress my dissagreement with the HOFer. Thanks BBIA. Any other info? To be fair, he did say that teams are throwing the ball a lot more and because of this, teams can no longer win Championships by just running the ball and playing solid Defense.
BillsFanNC Posted September 5, 2012 Posted September 5, 2012 I would disagree with Jim on the QBs thing. Seems to me the QBs are possibly better than they've ever been. Brady Manning Manning Rothlisberger Brees Rivers Newton Luck Schaub Romo Ryan That's pretty close to 50% of the QBs being elite enough that Jim wouldn't even be on that list during his days. Heck, even Fitz threw right around Jims career year stats last year. It's another topic I guess, just wanted to stress my dissagreement with the HOFer. Thanks BBIA. Any other info? There's elite: Brady Brees Rogers P. Manning if he can return to form then good to very good would be most of the rest of the guys on your list.
Punch Posted September 5, 2012 Posted September 5, 2012 (edited) I would disagree with Jim on the QBs thing. Seems to me the QBs are possibly better than they've ever been. Brady Manning Manning Rothlisberger Brees Rivers Newton Luck Schaub Romo Ryan That's pretty close to 50% of the QBs being elite enough that Jim wouldn't even be on that list during his days. Heck, even Fitz threw right around Jims career year stats last year. It's another topic I guess, just wanted to stress my dissagreement with the HOFer. Thanks BBIA. Any other info? This is bewildering. It's impossible to compare passing numbers from 20 years ago--- the NFL has evolved into a different animal and the stats get gaudier every year. If Fitz' numbers are in any way equivalent to Jimbo's then WR Derrick Mason and his 943 career receptions should one day be in the Hall of Fame. Edited September 5, 2012 by Punch
Mr. WEO Posted September 5, 2012 Posted September 5, 2012 Nothing ground breakig so far: He is plugging his book "The Playbook for Dads" Said team that makes the in-game adjustemnts the best will win Bills/Jets game Said good rookies in league shows that there are a lot of not very good QB's in NFL right now Said teams need good passing game and solid D to win Championships pretty lite segment. I agree with mrags. There are always "a lot of not very good QB's in the NFL"--especially back in ol Jim's day: Jim Everett Ken O'Brien Jim Harbaugh Chris Miller Berni Kosar Mark Rypien And those were guys in the top 10 in '91. Then of course, there was the rest: Steve Deberg Erik Kramer Steve Bono Jay Schroeder Mike Tomczak Hugh Millen Jeff George Booby Hebert Dave Krieg John Friez Steve Walsh.... Throw in the other mediocre guys like Hostetler, McMahon, Testaverde, O'Donnell... well, you get the picture. Jim's glory days cloud his memory.
BuffaloFan68 Posted September 5, 2012 Posted September 5, 2012 Romo is almost as over-rated as Sanchez. I wouldn't want either one of them on my team over Fitz.
mrags Posted September 5, 2012 Posted September 5, 2012 Thanks Weo. You seem to be the only one not sucking on the Popsicle stick here. Another way to look at it would be HOF QBs playing right now. Manning Manning Brady Roethlisberger Rogers Brees That's six that are pretty much shoe ins for the Hall based on statistics and SB wins alone. Jim had Jim Marino Montana Young Farve (could actually be under both catagories) Aikman at the least it's about the same and we probably have much better 2nd tier guys now than they did back in the day. Your Rivers, Ryans, Flaccos, Lucks, Newtons, Daltons, Staffords, Vicks are probably all better than most of yesteryear. I'm not saying Jim and his class of QBs was netter or worse but at the very least it's about the same amount as when he played. Which makes his comments commical.
section122 Posted September 5, 2012 Posted September 5, 2012 (edited) I would disagree with Jim on the QBs thing. Seems to me the QBs are possibly better than they've ever been. 1. Brady - elite 1. Manning - eli is elite 2. Manning - peyton is a wait and see at this point 2. Rothlisberger - borders on elite 1. Brees - elite 3. Rivers - lower on the rung than roethlisberger i'll say very good but not elite 3. Newton - on his way to elite 3. Luck - not even a snap yet may be eventually but there will be growing pains 4. Schaub - not close to elite - to injured but good when healthy 4. Romo - not elite good numbers until december 3. Ryan - not elite good numbers until january the numbers I pit by the qbs are the tiers I would place them in. In Jim's heyday for elite there were Montana, Young, Marino, Himself, Aikman, and Moon. I would say it's very comparable not the gap he implied. edit: just saw your post above and think you framed it very well but don't forget about Warren Moon he def has to be in your elite category. Edited September 5, 2012 by section122
dollars 2 donuts Posted September 5, 2012 Posted September 5, 2012 Man, what we could do with a 30 year old Kelly, 28 year old Reed and 25 year old Thurman in today's NFL.
Beerball Posted September 5, 2012 Posted September 5, 2012 Jim's glory days cloud his memory. This IMO says it all. Kelly was a very very good player. He would be a very very good player today (again, IMO), but to think that a league that depends on the pass more than ever is devoid of QB talent is silly
BRH Posted September 5, 2012 Posted September 5, 2012 That's pretty close to 50% of the QBs being elite enough that Jim wouldn't even be on that list during his days. Nothing personal, but I stopped reading after this. Jim would have been on any elite list in any era. Period.
NoSaint Posted September 5, 2012 Posted September 5, 2012 (edited) Thanks Weo. You seem to be the only one not sucking on the Popsicle stick here. Another way to look at it would be HOF QBs playing right now. Manning Manning Brady Roethlisberger Rogers Brees That's six that are pretty much shoe ins for the Hall based on statistics and SB wins alone. Jim had Jim Marino Montana Young Farve (could actually be under both catagories) Aikman at the least it's about the same and we probably have much better 2nd tier guys now than they did back in the day. Your Rivers, Ryans, Flaccos, Lucks, Newtons, Daltons, Staffords, Vicks are probably all better than most of yesteryear. I'm not saying Jim and his class of QBs was netter or worse but at the very least it's about the same amount as when he played. Which makes his comments commical. i would say it is much harder to hide bad qb play these days. hence guys have to chase the next thing a bit harder and rookies are getting more shots.... But even that's likely exaggerated. It's also missing guys like Elway, and moon on your list, but generally I do agree with what your saying Edited September 5, 2012 by NoSaint
merlin Posted September 5, 2012 Posted September 5, 2012 Jim also spoke with Stephen A and Skip Bayless on "First Take" this morning about the Bills/Jets matchup this weekend. Here's a link to a short clip from that segment: http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=8340044
BuffBill Posted September 5, 2012 Posted September 5, 2012 Nothing ground breakig so far: He is plugging his book "The Playbook for Dads" Said team that makes the in-game adjustemnts the best will win Bills/Jets game Said good rookies in league shows that there are a lot of not very good QB's in NFL right now Said teams need good passing game and solid D to win Championships pretty lite segment. Actually I listed to the interview and he didn't say there are not a lot of good QBs in the NFL right now. He said that back in his days they NFL was looking for pocket passers like himself, nowadays they are looking for the more mobile running QBs which the college systems more readily prepares them for. After that he jokingly said (at least it sounding jokingly) that if it wasn't the previous situation then there aren't many good QBs in the league right now.
Buftex Posted September 5, 2012 Posted September 5, 2012 I agree with mrags. There are always "a lot of not very good QB's in the NFL"--especially back in ol Jim's day: Jim Everett Ken O'Brien Jim Harbaugh Chris Miller Berni Kosar Mark Rypien And those were guys in the top 10 in '91. Then of course, there was the rest: Steve Deberg Erik Kramer Steve Bono Jay Schroeder Mike Tomczak Hugh Millen Jeff George Booby Hebert Dave Krieg John Friez Steve Walsh.... Throw in the other mediocre guys like Hostetler, McMahon, Testaverde, O'Donnell... well, you get the picture. Jim's glory days cloud his memory. Your point is well taken, but Kosar, Miller, Everett and Rypien all played at very high levels for a few years...Ryp was kind a one year phenom (not bad!), Miller was terrific, but got injured one too many times...Everett, IIRC was MVP, or runner up for one year, and had 3 other really good years, before he started hearing footsteps...and Bernie K was awesome...but he too broke down. Actually I listed to the interview and he didn't say there are not a lot of good QBs in the NFL right now. He said that back in his days they NFL was looking for pocket passers like himself, nowadays they are looking for the more mobile running QBs which the college systems more readily prepares them for. After that he jokingly said (at least it sounding jokingly) that if it wasn't the previous situation then there aren't many good QBs in the league right now. As Paul Harvey would say: "And now, you know the rest of the story!"
eball Posted September 5, 2012 Posted September 5, 2012 Actually I listed to the interview and he didn't say there are not a lot of good QBs in the NFL right now. He said that back in his days they NFL was looking for pocket passers like himself, nowadays they are looking for the more mobile running QBs which the college systems more readily prepares them for. After that he jokingly said (at least it sounding jokingly) that if it wasn't the previous situation then there aren't many good QBs in the league right now. Ahh, so you mean concepts like "taken out of context" and "accurate reporting" apply to the story? Classic. I'm sure all of the guys taking shots at Kelly in this thread will chime right in with their apologies. Or not.
dollars 2 donuts Posted September 5, 2012 Posted September 5, 2012 Ahh, so you mean concepts like "taken out of context" and "accurate reporting" apply to the story? Classic. I'm sure all of the guys taking shots at Kelly in this thread will chime right in with their apologies. Or not.
Mr. WEO Posted September 5, 2012 Posted September 5, 2012 Actually I listed to the interview and he didn't say there are not a lot of good QBs in the NFL right now. He said that back in his days they NFL was looking for pocket passers like himself, nowadays they are looking for the more mobile running QBs which the college systems more readily prepares them for. After that he jokingly said (at least it sounding jokingly) that if it wasn't the previous situation then there aren't many good QBs in the league right now. Nah, not really. They are looking for Andrew Luck. Less so for RG3. They may run occasionally, but the prototypical NFL QB is still Rodgers/Brady/both Mannings/Rivers/Big Ben. Brees is the only one who runs around more than a little bit, but he's no Mike Vick. So Kelly's still not making any sense. Sorry eball.
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