Thigpen took $1 million pay cut to stay

[truth on hold]

Yeah and the one they picked was late round, and even then looked be outplaying thigpen in last years preseason.

[djp14150]

It makes a little more sense. Now they don't have to cut him and re-sign him. He'll make 1.5 for the year regardless of when we cut him, which IMO will be in about two weeks, depending on injury status.

 

Schefter just tweeted it.

 

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter

 

I said this was a possibility n another head...either the cut and then resign hm or the negotiate a pay cut for hm to stay.

[Nanker]

As I stated above, neither of those guys were cut due to roster limitations, and I would love to see any argument whatsoever that makes you believe they were. Tank got beat out by the #5 from last year Chris White, plain and simple. There was no way we were keeping eight LBs for 3 positions. 7 was always the number talked about and that's how many we kept. If Carder played well, or beat out White, he would have stayed. I hope you're not implying that we would have kept 8 linebackers in a 4-3.

 

Asper, as well, was brought in to beat out Colin Brown. Nix stated as much when Asper was drafted. They liked his versatility and wanted him to be able to play C and G, thereby saving a roster spot not on the team but even moreso on gameday. But he sucked, and he didn't beat out Colin Brown. So they opted to keep the guy who could only play C instead of Asper. We were always going to keep 9 OL, 1 C, 4 OG (with Urbik able to play C), and 4 OT. Because Asper didn't beat out Brown, we kept 2 C, 3 G and 4 T.

 

I agree with most of your analysis about Asper. That said, I do think The Bills were hoping to re-sign him and instead had to sign David Snow to the PS. We're way thin in the middle of the OL.

[eball]

Win-win situation. Bills pay $1.5M instead of $2.5M for their 3-4 week "insurance policy" and Thigpen still takes home a "nice" payday for a few weeks of work. Sounds like some reasonable minds got together and worked this out.

[Nanker]

Win-win situation. Bills pay $1.5M instead of $2.5M for their 3-4 week "insurance policy" and Thigpen still takes home a "nice" payday for a few weeks of work. Sounds like some reasonable minds got together and worked this out.

 

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[bigc14120]

I doubt he finish's the year with Buffalo.

 

Give Jackson 3 or 4 weeks

That is optimistic......despite his experience, I think he will be around until after the bye week

[Buftex]

Eh...all I know, if Fitz were to get injured opening week, I would rather see Thigpen keeping the seat warm than just throwing Jackson in there.

[BuffaloBillsMagic1]

To me Smith is bad as KO returner, can't throw, and wildcat would be just as effeective with a RB as Smith does not throw anyway. Thiggy can not thorw as well. Only thing is , he knows the plays. He should be cut ASAP as wellas Smith.

[Mr. WEO]

No right answer here:

 

Smith is healthy, fitz gets blasted on the first play.... Would BS go in?

 

My best guess and what it means to the breakdown: brad smith cannot play qb for 4 quarters - no way, no how. So regardless of his injury we need a legit #2 on the roster come week 1. Tjack isn't that guy yet. That means to me that even with a healthy brad smith, that the day VY was cut, thigpen made this squad. Jackson may push him off down the line (that's the safe money) but the Vince cut, not the brad smith injury is the moment he made the 53.

 

I agree. Any contention that if Smith was healthy, TT wouldn't be on the roster for the Jets game makes no sense at all. There is simply no way Chan would put himself in a position to have Smith as the number 2--even for a single game. The guy has attempted 8 passes in his entire career. One more than Moorman.

 

This thread shoud be titled "Bills generously offer TT 1.5 million to hang around for a few weeks until backup QB learns the playbook." Saying he "took a paycut" when the OP even knows he's a goner is a joke.

Edited September 3, 2012 by Mr. WEO

[fansince88]

as long as he doesnt see the field......ever.....in a bills uniform again I dont care how much they pay him. Its not my money.

 

On the other hand.....I hope we get some blowouts this year so we can se a bit of TJ

Would love to see that in week 1

[artmalibu]

Well, I can try. Not sure I can do any better than I already did. I'll try to line it out.

 

The Bills made a decision to cut Vince Young and trade for Tarvaris Jackson. Net impact: -1 draft pick

Tarvaris Jackson had zip time to learn our system. That means Thiggy stays. Net impact: -1 roster spot

Bills decided to keep kickoff return specialist Net impact: -1 roster spot

Bills decided to keep 2 injured DBs on the roster, one past 4Sep deadline Net impact: -2 roster spots

In order to free up a roster spot, Bills keep only 4 WR (will prob. pull 1 back when the IR Brooks): Net impact: +1 roster spot

 

So the Bills need to free up 3 roster spots.

Place 4th round pick Zebrie Sanders (?what's hurt Zebrie?) on IR, rendering him unavailable to Bills and unable to practice for season: Net impact +1 roster spot

Cut 5th and 6th round picks Net impact: +2 roster spots

5th and 6th round picks promising enough to get signed off waivers. Net impact: -2 draft picks

 

So overall, by making the roster decisions that were made (late QB trade, keeping 4 QB on roster, keeping kickoff specialist, keeping injured DBs), cost the Bills 3 draft picks (2012 5th and 6th plus whatever they gave for TJax) as well as access to a 2012 4th round pick for the season and his ability to practice with the team and improve.

 

And, Thigpen's salary, since it's a sucker bet he'll be on the opening day roster.

 

All of these may be the best decisions for the Bills right now and for this season. It depends on what you think the potential of the draft picks that were sacrificed really was. Maybe it was low and they gave up really little. Maybe they gave up a good player. The way Nix stockpiles picks, I'm sure he didn't do it lightly.

 

Ok, since this is a TT takes a pay cut thread I dont see how 90% of your post applies...

 

I believe the TJ trade was for 2 picks next year not one, but a QB like TJ is well worth 2 late round picks anyway, so good deal

Smith is not a QB just listed that way to play roster games. He is a WR. So we still only have the normal amount of QBs

Kept a kick off specialist not a return guy. Still a break even because if they cut the kicker they would have needed to keep a coverage specialist, who yes you have been a WR but not a good one. Plus side we could have the BEST kickoff guy in the league our kicker of the future, and a long field goal guy.

The DBs that are hurt, yea so that happens in the league and these guys should not be cut.

Who care about Sanders he was not 1 of the top 4 OT anyway he can try again next year. Are you saying he is not hurt? does not make sense. BTW he was a 5 round pick

5th and 6th round picks didnt make the team. They kept all the OL and LBs that was expected. The coaches feel that thay have better players at those positions, so what should they do with them?

Edited September 3, 2012 by artmalibu

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

So how is this rookie QB going to develop? Backup QB's hardly get any snaps during the regular season working with the offense. All the #3 guys does is run the scout team. That's fine if you're #1 guy is Tom Brady and have no real plans to play the other guys. But if you're suspect of your #1 which I'm not disagreeing with getting a rookie QB has little value. He's so raw you're still going to need a Tavaris Jackson type of player in case your #1 get's hurt or does much worse than expected to the point you bench him. You're not going to make the #2 some un-tested rookie unless he's a real high draft pick. You're not going to get a free agent QB either who is leaving one team as their backup to go to another team as a backup unless he's bee naround long enough to know he's not going to be the starter. I doubt Matt Flynn would have wanted to sign with Buffalo to be Fitz backup. Likely I'm also certain he never would have signed with Seattle if he thought there was any chance he wasn't going to be the starter. Right now, all you're going to get are more Levi Browns. If Fitz does have a weak season, then likely they will change QB's but then they are either bringing someone to be the starter either via free agent or trade, or drafting likely a fairly high rookie, maybe #1 or 2 pick. But the odds of him working out are no better than Fitz.

 

I applaud Nix/Gailey for giving up on VY. I will admit I thought it was a good signing. What is unforgivable is only draftng one QB in three years when your starter is at best mediocre, and the back-up situation is now a mess. They wasted late round draft picks on trading up to get a WR that they likely could have gotten anyways and a LB that gets cut and not even signed to the PS. I have no faith in Nix and his draft acumen. I suspect any success he was associated with was Butler and AJ Smith. However to not even take a chance on a mid to late round QB other than Levi Brown is shameful.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Ok, since this is a TT takes a pay cut thread I dont see how 90% of your post applies...

 

You're entitled. I don't see how assuming Thigpen's roster spot would otherwise belong to one of the WR now on PS applies, which was the point I was addressing. I think GMs and coaches take a more gestalt approach, but maybe that's just me.

 

I believe the TJ trade was for 2 picks next year not one, but a QB like TJ is well worth 2 late round picks anyway, so good deal

 

All the stuff I've read has said "an" (singular) late-round pick or "a 5th or 6th round pick" or "an undisclosed pick". I haven't seen anything about 2 picks - source?

 

Smith is not a QB just listed that way to play roster games. He is a WR. So we still only have the normal amount of QBs. Kept a kick off specialist not a return guy. Still a break even because if they cut the kicker they would have needed to keep a coverage specialist, who yes you have been a WR but not a good one. Plus side we could have the BEST kickoff guy in the league our kicker of the future, and a long field goal guy.

 

*chuckle* OK you have a point that Smith is not really a QB. But if we grant that, then it follows he wasn't a QB last year and de facto, last year we had 2.

The fact is, we have 1 more QB on our roster than we did last year (3 or 4, depending on how you count Smith). What's the "normal amount of QBs? Many teams have 2.

 

We have kept coverage specialists. We didn't keep a WR for it (Martin), but if I'm not mistaken both Corey Mac and Chris White excelled as gunners for us last year.

 

The DBs that are hurt, yea so that happens in the league and these guys should not be cut.

Who care about Sanders he was not 1 of the top 4 OT anyway he can try again next year. Are you saying he is not hurt? does not make sense. BTW he was a 5 round pick

5th and 6th round picks didnt make the team. They kept all the OL and LBs that was expected. The coaches feel that thay have better players at those positions, so what should they do with them?

 

You're quite correct, Sanders is a 5th round pick. Me bad. And yes, that's exactly what I'm saying, he's not hurt or hurt seriously. When a guy's injury has never been mentioned in the press and is listed as "undisclosed", it's pretty questionable IMO when he shows up on season-ending IR.

 

As for the rest, I think I give up. Maybe y'all are right and despite what I saw, White outplayed McKillop and Carder at LB. Not so, from what I saw, but coaches have more to look at.

I think these were roster limitation decisions - I'm quite certain they would rather have Saunders or Asper available to them than David Snow (pitch me with a fork!) - but maybe Kelly the Dog is right and I'm wrong.

[artmalibu]

You're entitled. I don't see how assuming Thigpen's roster spot would otherwise belong to one of the WR now on PS applies, which was the point I was addressing. I think GMs and coaches take a more gestalt approach, but maybe that's just me.

 

 

 

All the stuff I've read has said "an" (singular) late-round pick or "a 5th or 6th round pick" or "an undisclosed pick". I haven't seen anything about 2 picks - source?

 

Your right its a 7th that could become a 6th if he plays. So, the deal is better than I thought.

 

 

 

*chuckle* OK you have a point that Smith is not really a QB. But if we grant that, then it follows he wasn't a QB last year and de facto, last year we had 2.

The fact is, we have 1 more QB on our roster than we did last year (3 or 4, depending on how you count Smith). What's the "normal amount of QBs? Many teams have 2.

 

If they did not have enough time to involve Smith as a wildcat last year was he really a QB option, How much QB has he played in preseason this year and last year. He is not there to play QB, I would bet it the roster rules didnt change they would not have picked him up. Back in the day either Thurman Thomas or Andra Reed was listed as the emergency QB so I guess they were real QBs too. If he is a ligit QB option they would not have kept TT to get TJ ready.

 

We have kept coverage specialists. We didn't keep a WR for it (Martin), but if I'm not mistaken both Corey Mac and Chris White excelled as gunners for us last year.

 

Martin was the best gunner on the team in my opinion.

 

You're quite correct, Sanders is a 5th round pick. Me bad. And yes, that's exactly what I'm saying, he's not hurt or hurt seriously. When a guy's injury has never been mentioned in the press and is listed as "undisclosed", it's pretty questionable IMO when he shows up on season-ending IR.

 

What should they do with him 4 tackles are on the team now and I dont think he can beat any of them out. So, 5 tackles are needed? Just because they didnt tell you how he is hurt does not mean he is not. Even if he could be healthy later in the season is a second rate rookie without any real experience going to help?

 

 

 

As for the rest, I think I give up. Maybe y'all are right and despite what I saw, White outplayed McKillop and Carder at LB. Not so, from what I saw, but coaches have more to look at.

I think these were roster limitation decisions - I'm quite certain they would rather have Saunders or Asper available to them than David Snow (pitch me with a fork!) - but maybe Kelly the Dog is right and I'm wrong.

 

How many LBs should they keep??? They have 7 and now with a 4/3 defense, I think 4 back-ups is enough.

 

Maybe I drank too much coolaid or you know more than the coaches.

Either way I bet we agree that we are excited for the season to start. Go BILLS