MARCELL DAREUS POWER Posted September 3, 2012 Posted September 3, 2012 That doesn't mean you get to post it here. IIRC, SDS or one of the admins had a pinned thread on this on the main board for awhile because people were doing exactly what you're doing. Quote a few pertinent paragraphs, and then provide a link. You'd better learn this. can i simply provide the link? i will comply, but if its cited and a public website, whats the problem?
TakeYouToTasker Posted September 3, 2012 Posted September 3, 2012 come on man, this is why ppp blows... u literally just attacked me because i used the word cogent? really man ? Well, for starters, you haven't actually done anything intellectual here. Regardless of your own belief in unworkable utopian claptrap, you haven't expressed any ideas of your own. Hell, even the origional author, misguided as he may be,had the intellectual honesty to cite and credit the creators of the work he borrowed (all of whom, including millionaire Noam Chomsky, have made a ton of money "exploiting labor")
MARCELL DAREUS POWER Posted September 3, 2012 Posted September 3, 2012 (edited) Well, for starters, you haven't actually done anything intellectual here. Regardless of your own belief in unworkable utopian claptrap, you haven't expressed any ideas of your own. Hell, even the origional author, misguided as he may be,had the intellectual honesty to cite and credit the creators of the work he borrowed (all of whom, including millionaire Noam Chomsky, have made a ton of money "exploiting labor") 1- its not a utopia 2- i believe in these ideas and cited them. 3- yes i have pondered these ideas, and the arguments of risk imo dont work, from what ive read on both sides... but you can offer more ideas and we can discuss them... yes, its not my intellectual work, thats why its cited...lol generally thats the point of citation... 4- chomsky does this thing called work, he writes books and then sells them. and pays market value for publishing, and distribution. you are equating markets with capital hierarchy, which are not the same thing... Edited September 3, 2012 by MARCELL DAREUS POWER
TakeYouToTasker Posted September 3, 2012 Posted September 3, 2012 (edited) 1- its not a utopia The word is utopian, not utopia. Utopian is an adjective, utopia is a noun; and your prefered system absolutely is utopian because it's tenents are both self-contradictory, and run counter to thousands of years of the evolution of human nature. 2- i believe in these ideas and cited them. No, someone else used cited source material to construct an origional argument; and you stole their work. Worse yet, you've described your plagiarism as intellectual. As an aside, your belief in something you've read but clearly don't understand doesn't excuse your laziness and theft. 3- yes i have pondered these ideas, and the arguments of risk imo dont work, from what ive read on both sides...The only arguments presented disputing risk are blatant strawmen, which attack facism, statist-corporatism, and neo-mercantilism. They have no bearing on, and are no critique of, laissez faire capitalism. but you can offer more ideas and we can discuss them... yes, its not my intellectual work, thats why its cited...lol generally thats the point of citation... Why in the world would I "discuss ideas" with you, when you offer no ideas or origional work of your own for discussion? If I want to discuss these concepts, I'll simply email the author. All you've done is regurgitate someone else's (poorly reasoned) ideas, and didn't even bother to give them credit. You don't understand the topics you're discussing. You haven't read or studied enough to understand them. sky does this thing called work, he writes books and then sells them. and pays market value for publishing, and distribution. you are equating markets with capital hierarchy, which are not the same thing...Wait, what? I'm confusing markets with prioritizing capital allocation? See, this is what I'm talking about... you don't even understand the terms you're using, much less the concepts they describe. Edited September 3, 2012 by TakeYouToTasker
MARCELL DAREUS POWER Posted September 3, 2012 Posted September 3, 2012 (edited) The word is utopian, not utopia. Utopian is an adjective, utopia is a noun; and your prefered system absolutely is utopian because it's tenents are both self-contradictory, and run counter to thousands of years of the evolution of human nature. distraction, and not offering an argument... No, someone else used cited source material to construct an origional argument; and you stole their work. Worse yet, you've described your plagiarism as intellectual. As an aside, your belief in something you've read but clearly don't understand doesn't excuse your laziness and theft. the work was cited at the top, in response to the topic of risk. thats the point of a citation..lol The only arguments presented disputing risk are blatant strawmen, which attack facism, statist-corporatism, and neo-mercantilism. They have no bearing on, and are no critique of, laissez faire capitalism. please justify.... thats not an argument... Why in the world would I "discuss ideas" with you, when you offer no ideas or origional work of your own for discussion? If I want to discuss these concepts, I'll simply email the author. All you've done is regurgitate someone else's (poorly reasoned) ideas, and didn't even bother to give them credit. its called a citation of ideas... thats the point of a citation or providing an article you find interesting or relevant to the topic... read top for citation. You don't understand the topics you're discussing. more ad hom, distraction... please respond to the 5 argument against capital risk... You haven't read or studied enough to understand them. Wait, what? I'm confusing markets with prioritizing capital allocation? yes, you implied that noam is a hypocrite because he made money from his work, which is what happens in a real market. people make ****, and people buy ****... lol what you are trying to justify, to help you out smartass, ( is the extraction of surplus value through hired labor), this is fundamentally a function of the state, and not markets... ie the idea that ones capital deserves interest simply because you allowed someone to use it. strangely, the argument ignores surplus value because that obviously reveals that labor gets the short end of the stick. the capital return is bigger than the original capital( without work) and the labor return in wages is less than the final market product minus capital... im arguing this is not the act of markets but the state enforcing and protecting extraction, otherwise workers would not allow this to happen... why would you want less than what you put in... this is why most anarchists, communists, and socialists want community banks that are democratic and dont operate on the premise of profit... yes co-ops would operate and compete in a market ( as would the individuals in those co-ops) ... which is different from capital hierarchy enforced by the state through rent and interest... See, this is what I'm talking about... you don't even understand the terms you're using, much less the concepts they describe. Edited September 3, 2012 by MARCELL DAREUS POWER
TakeYouToTasker Posted September 3, 2012 Posted September 3, 2012 (edited) FIX YOUR !@#$ING QUOTE TAGS Unlike "others" I present original work in my arguments, and will not endure the additional work of reconstructing your posts into a structure that can be easily formatted for dissection and debate. Edited September 3, 2012 by TakeYouToTasker
MARCELL DAREUS POWER Posted September 3, 2012 Posted September 3, 2012 FIX YOUR !@#$ING QUOTE TAGS Unlike "others" I present original work in my arguments, and will not endure the additional work of reconstructing your posts into a structure that can be easily formatted for dissection and debate. its called a citation... reason being, because its not my work...lol the 5 pts are there to respond to... ok, go
TakeYouToTasker Posted September 3, 2012 Posted September 3, 2012 (edited) its called a citation... reason being, because its not my work...lol the 5 pts are there to respond to... ok, go FIX YOUR !@#$ING QUOTE TAGS I'm not going to argue with you about someone else's work. If I want to argue against their work, I'll argue with them. What you've done isn't citation, citation involves the extraction of information for the purpose of making an independent original argument. You've stolen someone else's work and then doled out reading assignments. Furthermore, it's impossible to have a discussion with someone who isn't conversationally presenting their own ideas, but rather is cut/pasting other people's treatises and demanding they be disproved. Jackass. Edited September 3, 2012 by TakeYouToTasker
MARCELL DAREUS POWER Posted September 3, 2012 Posted September 3, 2012 (edited) FIX YOUR !@#$ING QUOTE TAGS no I'm not going to argue with you about someone else's work. If I want to argue against their work, I'll argue with them. What you've done isn't citation, citation involves the extraction of information for the purpose of making an independent original argument. You've stolen someone else's work and then doled out reading assignments. Furthermore, it's impossible to have a discussion with someone who isn't conversationally presenting their own ideas, but rather is cut/pasting other people's treatises and demanding they be disproved. Jackass. its called reading and responding... u started being the jackass, jackass! Edited September 3, 2012 by MARCELL DAREUS POWER
Rob's House Posted September 3, 2012 Posted September 3, 2012 dude, that was 1 section out of about 50 topics on economics. it was a few pages out of about 100... i also cited the page, which is public and didnt claim it was my own. literally the complete opposite of plagarism lol seriously man, if you dont have an argument and want to shut people down, then obviously u dont want to engage in the exchange of ideas... It would be better to link to material like that. Especially for people using their phone, it's a real pain in the ass to have to scroll through all that to get to the next post.
MARCELL DAREUS POWER Posted September 3, 2012 Posted September 3, 2012 It would be better to link to material like that. Especially for people using their phone, it's a real pain in the ass to have to scroll through all that to get to the next post. no problemo dude... my bad
TakeYouToTasker Posted September 3, 2012 Posted September 3, 2012 Why won't you fix your quote tags? That's pretty much the minimum standard. A step above that is making an origional argument using origional thought rather than passing out reading assignments and demanding book reports.
MARCELL DAREUS POWER Posted September 3, 2012 Posted September 3, 2012 FIX YOUR !@#$ING QUOTE TAGS I'm not going to argue with you about someone else's work. If I want to argue against their work, I'll argue with them. What you've done isn't citation, citation involves the extraction of information for the purpose of making an independent original argument. You've stolen someone else's work and then doled out reading assignments. Furthermore, it's impossible to have a discussion with someone who isn't conversationally presenting their own ideas, but rather is cut/pasting other people's treatises and demanding they be disproved. Jackass. Why won't you fix your quote tags? That's pretty much the minimum standard. A step above that is making an origional argument using origional thought rather than passing out reading assignments and demanding book reports. ok... dude....
TakeYouToTasker Posted September 3, 2012 Posted September 3, 2012 /sigh I see that it doesn't. Can you atleast explain why you won't fix them?
3rdnlng Posted September 3, 2012 Posted September 3, 2012 come on man, this is why ppp blows... u literally just attacked me because i used the word cogent? really man ? Yes, because you used it in the same post as "flaud". (waiting for you to claim it was a typo)
TakeYouToTasker Posted September 3, 2012 Posted September 3, 2012 Yes, because you used it in the same post as "flaud". (waiting for you to claim it was a typo)The worst part of this is that he, for whatever reason, won't fix his God damn quote tags; makeing it laborous to respond to anything he's posted. I've decided that I'm willing to shred his plagiarized argument for the benefit of others on the board and for posterity; but I refuse to do his work for him by cleaning up his posts.
3rdnlng Posted September 3, 2012 Posted September 3, 2012 The worst part of this is that he, for whatever reason, won't fix his God damn quote tags; makeing it laborous to respond to anything he's posted. I've decided that I'm willing to shred his plagiarized argument for the benefit of others on the board and for posterity; but I refuse to do his work for him by cleaning up his posts. He's just a total ass. He does stuff like post videos in the Shoutbox that screw up people trying to use hand held devices and also tends to slow the whole site down for everyone else. He's been told time and again but does it anyway and then either says he forgot or was just doing it to piss people off. He's PM'd me swearing up a storm and also sending me videos of his particular political heroes. He desperately needs attention, thus the all caps in his screen name. He's so pathetic that he even asked for dating advice from the whole board (in the Shoutbox). So tell me, why would you want to even attempt to have an inteligent conversation with this Noam Chompsky disciple?
Rob's House Posted September 3, 2012 Posted September 3, 2012 He's just a total ass. He does stuff like post videos in the Shoutbox that screw up people trying to use hand held devices and also tends to slow the whole site down for everyone else. He's been told time and again but does it anyway and then either says he forgot or was just doing it to piss people off. He's PM'd me swearing up a storm and also sending me videos of his particular political heroes. He desperately needs attention, thus the all caps in his screen name. He's so pathetic that he even asked for dating advice from the whole board (in the Shoutbox). So tell me, why would you want to even attempt to have an inteligent conversation with this Noam Chompsky disciple? That's a little over the top. No need to be so malicious.
3rdnlng Posted September 3, 2012 Posted September 3, 2012 That's a little over the top. No need to be so malicious. So, he messes with the mechanics of the whole site for his own enjoyment, PM's people calling them every name in the book, along with his daily general assmudgeonry and I'm over the top? You said he was better on the main board and that may be true. I've seen that same thing with other posters, but MDP is a real ass here.
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