mclauria1 Posted September 1, 2012 Posted September 1, 2012 There has been some angst about cutting a few 2012 draft picks. Marv Levy (as always) nailed it: "If all your draft picks make it, what does that say about your previous years drafts?"
RuntheDamnBall Posted September 1, 2012 Posted September 1, 2012 Marv said lots of things. He was also a terrible GM.
mclauria1 Posted September 1, 2012 Author Posted September 1, 2012 Marv said lots of things. He was also a terrible GM. I agree about the GM part. However, he judged the talent & cuts to build 4 straight SB clubs...
Bill from NYC Posted September 1, 2012 Posted September 1, 2012 I agree about the GM part. However, he judged the talent & cuts to build 4 straight SB clubs... Ya think? I would say Polian might have helped.
uticaclub Posted September 1, 2012 Posted September 1, 2012 If you start listening to the fans, your gonna be sitting next to them soon
RuntheDamnBall Posted September 1, 2012 Posted September 1, 2012 Ya think? I would say Polian might have helped. I would say so. Marv's best trait was his ability to manage the different personalities in a talented but volatile locker-room. This quality + 15 more years of age doesn't really translate to a front-office position where you have to leave no stone unturned in a quest to find a competitive edge. Buddy has his faults but I believe in a front office that puts scouting front and center.
bbb Posted September 1, 2012 Posted September 1, 2012 I haven't looked this up or anything, but it seems to me a lot more of your draft picks make the team their first year than they did 20 years or so ago. I remember thinking that say a 5th rounder was long shot to make the team, and now I think that player should make the team. I could be wrong.
mrags Posted September 1, 2012 Posted September 1, 2012 Marv also said Dick Juron was a good coach and Trent Edwards was a good QB. Just saying ;-)
NoSaint Posted September 1, 2012 Posted September 1, 2012 I haven't looked this up or anything, but it seems to me a lot more of your draft picks make the team their first year than they did 20 years or so ago. I remember thinking that say a 5th rounder was long shot to make the team, and now I think that player should make the team. I could be wrong. Typically they make the team. Likewise they typically don't do much once they do. It's not a huge loss, but a missed chance at a nice bonus too.
Max997 Posted September 1, 2012 Posted September 1, 2012 (edited) There has been some angst about cutting a few 2012 draft picks. Marv Levy (as always) nailed it: "If all your draft picks make it, what does that say about your previous years drafts?" I don't see what one has to do with the other especially since free agency came into play I think it says more about the rest of your team and the players they drafted then previous years draft The idea is to draft well and if you do most of your draft picks make the team Marv also didn't like playing rookies and always said your rookie class is actually last years draft class I agree about the GM part. However, he judged the talent & cuts to build 4 straight SB clubs... Always amazed when people give the head coach credit for building and maintaining a team Marv managed and motivated the team but he certainly didn't build it Edited September 1, 2012 by Max997
RussellDopeland Posted September 1, 2012 Posted September 1, 2012 Remember it well- "Hey, you over officious jerk!"
billsfan89 Posted September 1, 2012 Posted September 1, 2012 Players drafted in rounds 5 or later should be on the practice squad unless they really impress in camp. None of our late rounders impressed that much in camp so they were cut and they tried to put them on the PS. Some of our guys are getting claimed not a big deal.
mrags Posted September 1, 2012 Posted September 1, 2012 Players drafted in rounds 5 or later should be on the practice squad unless they really impress in camp. None of our late rounders impressed that much in camp so they were cut and they tried to put them on the PS. Some of our guys are getting claimed not a big deal. Well done
PearlHowardman Posted September 1, 2012 Posted September 1, 2012 The older I get the more I miss coach Marv Levy. Too bad he had a bunch of Prima donnas on the Bills team in 1990-1991 that cost the Bills SB XXV. No coach in the NFL could have successfully managed these arrogant, self-centered, selfish players. The Bills win the AFC Championship 51-3 and then they lost all self-control. They went out and partied too much the week before the SB, burning precious energy. On the other hand the NY Giants players met curfew and were well rested for the big game. I still resent all those a-hole players on that team. Marv Levy is in the pro football Hall Of Fame, though - something his greedy players couldn't deny from him.
djp14150 Posted September 1, 2012 Posted September 1, 2012 I haven't looked this up or anything, but it seems to me a lot more of your draft picks make the team their first year than they did 20 years or so ago. I remember thinking that say a 5th rounder was long shot to make the team, and now I think that player should make the team. I could be wrong. The percentages are going to be higher bacouse the draft was 12 rounds instead of 7. Even when you take into account compensatory picks and more teams you are still talking about 2 rounds less of players picked and about 4 picks less per team. The number of picks making the team is minimal...usually you slot 5-7 picks at making the team. Now with a PS you know some of the picks can get on their and develop. They also decided to do a draft combine which then made scouting and a similar measuring stick to measure players. With free agency costs are an issue. Draft picks are more important and cost effective. That is in part why Edwards got cut..besides the front switch...how much of a difference was he at $4 M vs a younger player with a much cheaper price tag. The cost savings weighed into his cut. Draft choices are cheap.
nucci Posted September 1, 2012 Posted September 1, 2012 Marv said lots of things. He was also a terrible GM. Right and you needed to throw that in there.
Max997 Posted September 1, 2012 Posted September 1, 2012 The older I get the more I miss coach Marv Levy. Too bad he had a bunch of Prima donnas on the Bills team in 1990-1991 that cost the Bills SB XXV. No coach in the NFL could have successfully managed these arrogant, self-centered, selfish players. The Bills win the AFC Championship 51-3 and then they lost all self-control. They went out and partied too much the week before the SB, burning precious energy. On the other hand the NY Giants players met curfew and were well rested for the big game. I still resent all those a-hole players on that team. Marv Levy is in the pro football Hall Of Fame, though - something his greedy players couldn't deny from him. Marv Levy and the rest of the coaching staff were massively out coached in that game Marv also gave the last one away by coaching scared for the FG at the end of the first half instead of being aggressive and going for the TD
RuntheDamnBall Posted September 1, 2012 Posted September 1, 2012 Right and you needed to throw that in there. Well, if we're talking about his quote with reference to his talent-evaluation bona fides, it bears mentioning. Marv also had 12 rounds of draft picks to work with in his era. It's clear that a lot of what he might say doesn't necessarily have bearing on today's NFL. Sorry if I touched a nerve.
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