Kelly the Dog Posted September 1, 2012 Posted September 1, 2012 Kinda funny. He had a good pre-season, even though he got hurt a little. The guy that no one wanted to touch with a ten foot first down marker makes the roster of a good defensive team.
hondo in seattle Posted September 1, 2012 Posted September 1, 2012 His self-discipline and motivation seem to go through ups and downs. Apparently he went through an 'up' period this preseason. Maybe he's finally grown up. Or maybe he'll just end up falling into another hole.
PushthePile Posted September 1, 2012 Posted September 1, 2012 He kind of reminded me of Brandon Spikes. Neither guy was all that fast or athletic and both had character questions. The thing that is overlooked is their toughness and ability to just play the game. With that being said they are always capable of making poor decisions off the field.
Captain Hindsight Posted September 1, 2012 Posted September 1, 2012 The Bengals are great at evaluating character
dayman Posted September 1, 2012 Posted September 1, 2012 He kind of reminded me of Brandon Spikes. Neither guy was all that fast or athletic and both had character questions. The thing that is overlooked is their toughness and ability to just play the game. With that being said they are always capable of making poor decisions off the field. Dude Spikes is fine c'mon...considering his childhood he's a stand up guy. Better than almost anyone would be.
KOKBILLS Posted September 1, 2012 Posted September 1, 2012 The Bengals are great at evaluating character I LOL'd...
PushthePile Posted September 1, 2012 Posted September 1, 2012 Dude Spikes is fine c'mon...considering his childhood he's a stand up guy. Better than almost anyone would be. Yeah I agree that hes not bad. I read a really great article about his life in espns magazine. I was really commenting on perceived character concerns coming out of college. I think Vontaze has more serious concerns
John Belucheese Posted September 1, 2012 Posted September 1, 2012 Character issues! lol who cares we shudda drafted him late as oppose to Carder. Wouldda been a nice consolation prize for not getting Kuelchy. Although im please as punch w our corner.
biglukes Posted September 1, 2012 Posted September 1, 2012 We should have drafted a guy that went undrafted? That makes sense how?
Pirate Angel Posted September 1, 2012 Posted September 1, 2012 (edited) it makes more sense to draft a guy that went undrafted if he can make the team than to draft a guy and cut him because he didnt make the team. In assuming that he went undrafted so we should have signed him is incorrect because if you do not draft that undrafted player then that undrafted player has no exclusive rights placed on him by your franchise giving the undrafted player freedom to sign elsewhere. Edited September 1, 2012 by BILLriant
prissythecat Posted September 1, 2012 Posted September 1, 2012 it makes more sense to draft a guy that went undrafted if he can make the team than to draft a guy and cut him because he didnt make the team. In assuming that he went undrafted so we should have signed him is incorrect because if you do not draft that undrafted player then that undrafted player has no exclusive rights placed on him by your franchise giving the undrafted player freedom to sign elsewhere. There was not much interest in Vontaze due to his awful combine performance and perceived character issues. Was anyone else interested in him besides the Bengals?
1B4IDie Posted September 1, 2012 Posted September 1, 2012 Vontaze DID NOT HAVE CHARACTER ISSUES. He had on the field issues. Like multiple stupid personal fouls that cost his team Ws. Off the field wasn't the issue with Burfict. On the field was the issue and why all 32 teams didn't want to touch him on draft day.
NoSaint Posted September 1, 2012 Posted September 1, 2012 Vontaze DID NOT HAVE CHARACTER ISSUES. He had on the field issues. Like multiple stupid personal fouls that cost his team Ws. Off the field wasn't the issue with Burfict. On the field was the issue and why all 32 teams didn't want to touch him on draft day. I suppose character could refer to work ethic and temper, on or off field. I know that's a key word for arrests around here though. He was awful on the field, you are correct.
sllib olaffub Posted September 1, 2012 Posted September 1, 2012 I remember pretty clearly going into the combine Burfict was one of the linebackers who people had slotted all over the place, and everyone wanted to watch and see how high he stacked up - but, his combine performances were so bad that by the end of it, people were saying 6th, 7th rounder, maybe. Then, after a time the draft comes up, and having had that time to forget a little about the combine, people started wondering, during the 5th, 6th rounds - who's going to pick up Burfict? I think it was a bit of a surprise that he didn't get drafted - at least to the general public, and the media. As far as the NFL evaluators, however, they probably have a much less impressionable mindset when it comes to these players - it's all measurables, performance, and character. And, as far as character is concerned - the Bengals are known to take on risks (I wonder if their overall player-in-trouble-with-the-law statistic is any worse than the NFL average, though - or if it is mostly just percieved risks?).
NoSaint Posted September 1, 2012 Posted September 1, 2012 (edited) I remember pretty clearly going into the combine Burfict was one of the linebackers who people had slotted all over the place, and everyone wanted to watch and see how high he stacked up - but, his combine performances were so bad that by the end of it, people were saying 6th, 7th rounder, maybe. Then, after a time the draft comes up, and having had that time to forget a little about the combine, people started wondering, during the 5th, 6th rounds - who's going to pick up Burfict? I think it was a bit of a surprise that he didn't get drafted - at least to the general public, and the media. As far as the NFL evaluators, however, they probably have a much less impressionable mindset when it comes to these players - it's all measurables, performance, and character. And, as far as character is concerned - the Bengals are known to take on risks (I wonder if their overall player-in-trouble-with-the-law statistic is any worse than the NFL average, though - or if it is mostly just percieved risks?). I don't think GMs are as swayed by YouTube highlights and cool names. I think the 5.1 40 time, and positive drug test were much more memorable than you like to think. As for the bengals- they have gotten closer to the norm with regards to arrests. I'd guess high end of the spectrum still but not like a few years ago when they were getting picked up what seemed like weekly. Edited September 1, 2012 by NoSaint
CBD Posted September 1, 2012 Posted September 1, 2012 Vontaze DID NOT HAVE CHARACTER ISSUES. He had on the field issues. Like multiple stupid personal fouls that cost his team Ws. Off the field wasn't the issue with Burfict. On the field was the issue and why all 32 teams didn't want to touch him on draft day. Issues off the field with his coaches and teammates
NoSaint Posted September 1, 2012 Posted September 1, 2012 Issues off the field with his coaches and teammates And the positive drug test at the combine
1B4IDie Posted September 1, 2012 Posted September 1, 2012 Issues off the field with his coaches and teammates you mean on the field arguing during a game? He sucked when he played, he made huge mistakes when he played, didn't take coaching, sucked at the combine. But he has a cool name and was a high ranking college recruit so lets talk about him. He did have some nice plays in pre-season for Bungals.
CBD Posted September 1, 2012 Posted September 1, 2012 you mean on the field arguing during a game? He sucked when he played, he made huge mistakes when he played, didn't take coaching, sucked at the combine. But he has a cool name and was a high ranking college recruit so lets talk about him. He did have some nice plays in pre-season for Bungals. I mean reportedly punching a teammate in the locker room, publicly blaming coaches for his down falls
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 1, 2012 Posted September 1, 2012 Kinda funny. He had a good pre-season, even though he got hurt a little. The guy that no one wanted to touch with a ten foot first down marker makes the roster of a good defensive team. Lets see how long he keeps his head out of his butt before we starting proclaiming a player to have.
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