Buff_bills4ever Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 (edited) Help settle an argument between a friend and I. He blames Scott Norwood for the Superbowl loss, and says he is the most hated player in Buffalo history. I disagree, and think that most Bills fans don't blame him for the loss. What say you Bills faithful? Edited August 28, 2012 by Buff_bills4ever
K-9 Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 Your friend is an idiot lacking the simplest understanding of football in general and that SB in particular. GO BILLS!!!
Green Lightning Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 Not running Thurman to finish up the first half and allowing them to get the ball and score before halftime was the thing that still gets my craw. I don't blame Norwood. We should have won that game walking away.
PromoTheRobot Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 Not running Thurman to finish up the first half and allowing them to get the ball and score before halftime was the thing that still gets my craw. I don't blame Norwood. We should have won that game walking away. +1 I blame Jim Kelly. He wouldn't run Thurman more when the Giants let him. They tried to take away his offense and rather than adjust his ego cost us the game. PTR
SouthernMan Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 (edited) The Bills offense was outcoached by Bills Belichick/Parcells and the Buffalo defense let down. In defense of the offense, they didn't have the ball enough because the Giants offense was grinding it out behind a backup QB. Between the extended halftime and long drives of the Giants, Kelly & company got "cold". I still think they had enough seconds to run another play to get a few yards closer. Norwood was on grass and a 47 yarder was a 50-50 shot for him from that range. Blaming Norwood is as unfair as it would have been to credit him completely with the win if he had made it. I think a lot of "fans" forget that the Bills won a lot of games on Norwood's leg and helped them get into the playoffs, or at the very least helped them gain homefield advantage. A bigger play that sealed the deal was the 3rd and 13 play in which the Giants Ingram got a 1st down on shear will. There were approximately 11 missed tackles by the Bills defense. That was a perfect example of who wanted it more. I sometimes think it's a shame that the Bills obliterated the Raiders 51-3 in the AFC championship game the previous week. With a large point spread in their favor for the superbowl, I think a lot of the Bills thought they could mail it in and win over the same team they beat at the Meadowlands a few weeks earlier. The 3rd and 13 and Bills failure to recognize they needed 1 more week of intense hard work are more to blame than "wide right". Edited August 28, 2012 by SouthernMan
bowery4 Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 OMG get over it already, who are you, Vincent whatever his name is Mom?
PromoTheRobot Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 The Bills offense was outcoached by Bills Belichick/Parcells and the Buffalo defense let down. In defense of the offense, they didn't have the ball enough because the Giants offense was grinding it out behind a backup QB. Between the extended halftime and long drives of the Giants, Kelly & company got "cold". I still think they had enough seconds to run another play to get a few yards closer. Norwood was on grass and a 47 yarder was a 50-50 shot for him from that range. Blaming Norwood is as unfair as it would have been to credit him completely with the win if he had made it. I think a lot of "fans" forget that the Bills won a lot of games on Norwood's leg and helped them get into the playoffs, or at the very least helped them gain homefield advantage. A bigger play that sealed the deal was the 3rd and 13 play in which the Giants Ingram got a 1st down on shear will. There were approximately 11 missed tackles by the Bills defense. That was a perfect example of who wanted it more. I sometimes think it's a shame that the Bills obliterated the Raiders 51-3 in the AFC championship game the previous week. With a large point spread in their favor for the superbowl, I think a lot of the Bills thought they could mail it in and win over the same team they beat at the Meadowlands a few weeks earlier. The 3rd and 13 and Bills failure to recognize they needed 1 more week of intense hard work are more to blame than "wide right". Since Kelly called all the plays one could argue he was the one outcoached, though I also blame Marv for not talking some sense into Kelly and running Thurman more. No one remembers that Thomas was one broken tackle away from scoring a TD with seconds remaining. PTR
SouthernMan Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 The bottom line is Norwood no more of less to blame as everyone else. It was a team loss. Thurman was the only one who maintained his playoff intensity and desire to win, remembering that each individual had a responsibility. The rest of the team was out of gas by the time the superbowl was played and were relying on "the other guy" to pick up the slack. Now, can we move on to a more pleasant topic. Thank-you
ajzepp Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 I don't care, I blame Norwood. Kickers have one fuggin job...do your job.
Stenbar Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 +1 I blame Jim Kelly. He wouldn't run Thurman more when the Giants let him. They tried to take away his offense and rather than adjust his ego cost us the game. PTR +infinity The Giants knew Kelly's ego wouldnt let anyone but Kelly be the Hero so they left the running game alone and concentrated on beating the Hell out of the Bills recievers till they didnt want to play anymore.....Even still our talent still almost won but putting Norwood in a spot he never made before wasnt a smart play..They coulda ran another play and made it easier but they didnt and it is all memorialized in history...
Taro T Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 It was a team loss, but if any of a handful of plays/items would have been different, so would the outcome. They include: Biscuit dropping a likely pick-6 right before the Jints went up 20-19; Talley having 1 arm in a protective sleeve (how many tackles did he miss because he couldn't wrap the guy up - a lot of other people missed tackles that game, but that was the only game all year Talley was missing); Marv Levy not forcing Kelly to call additional running plays - the Jints had a 2 man front and Thurman was tearing them up; Bruce not being able to get the ball out of Hostettler's hand in the endzone; and the officials deciding to review McKeller's catch on the last drive that cost the Bills at least enough time to get 1 additional play that drive.
bbb Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 The Bills had to get 5 more yards. Then I would have blamed Norwood, if he didn't make it. I remember one time, Kelly saying we did our job - got it to where we wanted to get it. Uh, no you didn't.
poblano Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 one thing the bills have always sufferiing TACKLING
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 The loss was a total team effort, top to bottom. Still, I'll always call him "Not Scoregood"
BiggieScooby Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 I have to lay the blame on Levy. Taking a 12-10 halftime lead the Bills Knew the Giants game plan: grind out the game, and play 8 in pass coverage daring the Bills to run. The last drive of the 1st half and opening drive of the 2nd half were the ball game. Getting out scored 14-0 was the difference. (3:43-0:25 2nd qtr) (15:00-5:31 3rd Qtr) 12:47 of dead time is an eternity in football. Add in a 7:32 drive in the 4th for the Gmen and God only knows what might have been. These 3 drives accounted for 23:37 in game clock. This being said look at who we were up against: Parcells, Belichick, & Coughlin. Not too shabby that Marv & Co. almost won.
Phil Hansen Forever Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 Out-coached Frank Reich for not putting the stitches in the right place. Walt Corey didn't know how to read an offense and Marv, although a great mentor couldn't rein in Kelly and his drunken debauchery.
billsfaninPortland Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 blame 1/2 of the bills defense on one crucial third and 90. ARGHHHHHHH!!
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