Romney Is Now A Birther!

[DC Tom]

Fox news was pounding the drums for Biden to be replaced. I think they understand with reasonable terror that he is going to ass rape that punk Ryan. Ryan couldnt even handle puff ball questions from Brit Hume and he's expected to go against Biden??? Rape and Abortion, medicare, that faith based budget he passed and his assertion that his foreign policy experience consists of voting for the Iraq war?? HA HA HA HA!! No wonder Fox is trying till its red in the face to get Biden out of there. Biden, by the way, is the guy who crushed Rudy with the 9-11 and a noun comment. He's still fuming.

 

This election is fun, fun, fun

 

I can only wonder what version of reality you live in, because it bears almost no resemblance to what the rest of us are in.

 

And I think Obama's going to crush Romney. But your cheerleading is just bizarro.

[....lybob]

I can only wonder what version of reality you live in, because it bears almost no resemblance to what the rest of us are in.

 

And I think Obama's going to crush Romney. But your cheerleading is just bizarro.

 

If Obama wins it's going to be by a very slim margin- he has spent a lot of his time in office de-energizing his base and he has two situations which can hurt him in which he has very limited control (European economic crisis and an Israeli attack on Iran).

[Bigfatbillsfan]

I can only wonder what version of reality you live in, because it bears almost no resemblance to what the rest of us are in.

 

And I think Obama's going to crush Romney. But your cheerleading is just bizarro.

 

I don't know about that. If Obama wins I don't think he's going to crush Romney. At least, not in the popular vote. I'm too young to remember but I think Carter was leading Reagan by double digits up until just a few weeks before the election.

[Duck_dodgers007]

I don't know about that. If Obama wins I don't think he's going to crush Romney. At least, not in the popular vote. I'm too young to remember but I think Carter was leading Reagan by double digits up until just a few weeks before the election.

 

And if there had been no hostage crisis, Ronald Reagan would be an after thought in American history, a nobody. Who knows what would have happened if that rescue mission had gotten to Tehran

[dayman]

Ducky is a troll. Anyone that thinks Biden isn't leaving the stage of his debate with Ryan needing his diaper changed is a fool. Biden will "wing" enough things and when he is called out on them by a vastly superior intellect who actually knows his schit, he'll become more of a buffoon, but an obvious one.

 

I'm not saying he'll "win" the debate but this won't happen. As goofy as it is to say this in this moment in time...you underestimate Biden.

[3rdnlng]

 

 

I don't know about that. If Obama wins I don't think he's going to crush Romney. At least, not in the popular vote. I'm too young to remember but I think Carter was leading Reagan by double digits up until just a few weeks before the election.

 

Carter had something like a 15% lead at this time in the election. I was in CA at the time and knew the result before I voted. I went Libertarian then, but only because I knew Reagan had it won. Obama is like Carter, but just a little smoother and willing to make the "big lie", rather than Carter's little mea culpa's.

[dayman]

I don't know about that. If Obama wins I don't think he's going to crush Romney. At least, not in the popular vote. I'm too young to remember but I think Carter was leading Reagan by double digits up until just a few weeks before the election.

 

I hate polls but if polls can be trusted at all (and as much as I hate them they can be taken just w/ the "grain of salt" they need) .... he could still win by a blowout and win a close election. Today's blowout is not your 1984 blowout...this is 2012 America. That said it will impossible to know until we see if the debates give Mitt some lasting "juice" for the "common folk" to get behind.

[Oxrock]

 

 

I'm not saying he'll "win" the debate but this won't happen. As goofy as it is to say this in this moment in time...you underestimate Biden.

Most debate watchers thought Palin beat Biden in the debate. Most limb concede that Ryan is an improvement on Palin. I dont know, maybey you are too young to remember 2008(jk). Edited August 25, 2012 by Oxrock

[Duck_dodgers007]

Most debate watchers thought Palin beat Biden in the debate. Most limb concede that Ryan is an improvement on Palin. I dont know, maybey you are too young to remember 2008(jk).

 

Wow, my advice to you is to stop sniffing glue

[DC Tom]

I don't know about that. If Obama wins I don't think he's going to crush Romney. At least, not in the popular vote. I'm too young to remember but I think Carter was leading Reagan by double digits up until just a few weeks before the election.

 

Only the electoral college matters. !@#$ the popular vote.

[Oxrock]

 

 

Wow, my advice to you is to stop sniffing glue

Ahh... Forgot to put "the intelligent, learned, debate watchers" . My advice to you then is to buy a clue:

 

 

 

Sent from my iPad

Edited August 25, 2012 by Oxrock

[Oxrock]

Below, you’ll find a list of 14 lies Biden toldleering the debate with former Governor Palin:

 

THE CONSTITUTION: Biden: Vice President Cheney’s been the most dangerous vice president we’ve had probably in American history. He has — he has — the idea he doesn’t realize that Article I of the Constitution defines the role of the vice president of the United States, that’s the executive — he works in the executive branch. He should understand that. Everyone should understand that.

 

Article I of the Constitution does not, in fact, define the role of the Vice President of the United States. It defines the role of the legislative branch, otherwise known as the branch in which Joe Biden has served for the last 36 years.

 

[A reader writes in noting that Article I does mention the veep at one point — The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided." However, by describing the veep's role in the legislature, it doesn't really help Biden's claim that it "defines the role, that's the executive, he works in the executive branch.]

 

IRAQ-AFGHANISTAN SPENDING: Biden said that the U.S. spends more in Iraq in one month than it has in Afghanistan in six or seven years.

 

That figure is off by 2000 percent.

 

‘KICKED HEZBOLLAH OUT OF LEBANON’: Biden: When we kicked — along with France, we kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon, I said, and Barack said, ‘Move NATO forces in there. Fill the vacuum, because if you don’t know — if you don’t, Hezbollah will control it.”

 

Reuters thinks he meant to refer to Syria, but I still don’t think it would be accurate to say the U.S. kicked Syria out of Lebanon. The Lebanese kicked Syria out of Lebanon.

 

VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN ACT: Biden’s statement that McCain voted against the Violence Against Women Act is accurate. But as Robert Byers notes, the Supreme Court ruled in United States v. Morrison, the Court ruled that much of Biden’s law was an unconstitutional power grab by Congress of rights reserved to the states. Nobody voted against the WAWA because they support violence against women; they objected over constiutional concerns that a Supreme Court

 

RESTAURANT: “Look, all you have to do is go down Union Street with me in Wilmington or go to Katie’s Restaurant or walk into Home Depot with me where I spend a lot of time and you ask anybody in there whether or not the economic and foreign policy of this administration has made them better off in the last eight years.”

 

According to this Delaware site, Katie’s Restaurant is no longer in business; locals remember it on Union Street 25 to 30 years ago.

 

ARMS CONTROL TREATY: Biden: “Number two, with regard to arms control and weapons, nuclear weapons require a nuclear arms control regime. John McCain voted against a Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty that every Republican has supported.”

 

I have no idea where Biden gets this “every Republican has supported” claim, as 49 other Republican senators voted ‘no’ with McCain.

 

When the roll was finally called on October 13, the resolution to ratify the CTBT (including the six safeguards that Daschle had submitted as an amendment) was defeated by a 51-48 vote with one abstention. (See the voting record.) Forty-four Democrats voted for ratification as did four Republicans: John Chafee (R-RI), James Jeffords (R-VT), Gordon Smith (R-OR) and Arlen Specter (R-PA). Fifty Republican senators and one independent (Robert Smith of New Hampshire) voted against ratification, and Senator Robert Byrd (D-WV) voted “present.” The treaty fell 19 votes short of achieving the necessary two-thirds majority necessary for ratification.

 

WEST BANK ELECTIONS: Biden: President Bush insisted on elections in the West Bank, when I said, and others said, and Barack Obama said, ‘Big mistake. Hamas will win. You’ll legitimize them.’”

 

The Washington Post’s Glenn Kessler notes that “Obama had been a senator for only a few days when the election took place, but if he made such statements, they did not appear in news reports or transcripts that are contained in the Nexis or Factiva databases.”

 

PAKISTANI WEAPONS: “Pakistan already has nuclear weapons. Pakistan already has deployed nuclear weapons. Pakistan’s weapons can already hit Israel and the Mediterranean.”

 

Biden is on shaky ground here. (See below.) The distance between Israel and Pakistan is 2,085 miles, or 3355 kilometers. The longest-range existing strategic missile in the Pakistani arsenal has a range of 3000 kilometers, but it might have longer range with a lighter payload. (But how much can you lighten a nuclear payload?) They are working on developing longer-range missiles; maybe Biden knows of some development that public sources do not yet know about. Theoretically, the Pakistanis could put the weapon on a boat and then sail it to the target, but by that standard, any site on a coast in the world is within their range.

 

Pakistani missile can carry a nuclear warhead is 1000 miles. By being off by 1,000 or so, I’m now

Edited August 25, 2012 by Oxrock

[dayman]

hehe I stand by my original thesis here...once again not predicting a Biden slam dunk or even a "win" (if there is such thing) but a better performance than you all are assuming...he's a goofball and probably a bit retarded and certainly a liability in the hypersensitive media world out there .... but he's capable of making it through a VP debate that nobody cares about ... total prediction nobody can know the future and it's certainly buying low even to make this statement but here I am making it. More importantly I can't stress enough that nobody will care in the end.

 

The politics of the moment distract us but Biden can walk on stage and do a little debate w/ out throwing a bomb either way...and even more true is that Ryan can't possibly walk out on stage at a VP debate and throw a meaningful bomb b/c after all it's a VP debate. And even given that it doesn't matter I still can't stress enough...Biden can do it well enough. There's all kinds of stuff (certainly now) people can use to call him goofy and he is...but there is a long career of stuff that can be shown that he can handle this VP debate don't be so caught up in faux-hype against Biden or for Ryan. I'm no here calling Biden great (God forbid) but let's not get out of hand. And also...I'm not attacking Ryan in this post but the boy-genius man love isn't something that I would just bank on translating into reality both politically or even in terms of governing genius (I know that is devil speak to you guys)...hype all around that means nothing Ryan will be Ryan and Biden won't be a caveman and nobody will care in the end b/c it's VP debate.

Edited August 25, 2012 by TheNewBills

[B-Man]

It seems that Mr. Romney's strategy with distracting the Left and the Obama campaign is working pretty well.........lol

 

The "joke" by Mitt was not about the birth certificate, but a way of reminding people of Obama's post-American approach to presidency. It seems to be working.

 

From Ann Althouse:

Romney is saying — in so many words — I’m more truly and fundamentally American than Barack Obama. And the implication is:

I want you to think about the ways that Obama hasn’t fully embraced American values of freedom, capitalism, etc. etc.

Of course, you don’t have to be born in America to have those values. I imagine Ted Cruz has those values, and he was born in Canada. He might make a great Senator from Texas soon, but he can never be President. We don’t need to see his birth certificate, because it’s no secret. He’s not qualified to be President, and it’s no disparagement of him to say that. But notably — and pay attention now, because this should help with understanding Romney’s joke — no one running against Cruz would make a joke about his being born outside of the United States. Romney’s (implicit) joke about Obama works not because of where he was actually born, but because of much more substantive ideas about commitment to foundational American values.

 

 

Exactly. With the added benefit that the press would miss the point and thus, in its outrage, spread the idea further than Romney could on his own.

 

The audience got it, though. As Jan Crawford reported: “At Romney event, two reactions to his birth certificate joke: reporters gasped–and a crowd of thousands laughed and cheered.”

 

 

 

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Edited August 25, 2012 by B-Man

[Doc]

Palin was widely considered to have out-debated Joe, and at least evenly-debated him. And she's a half-wit. He doesn't stand a chance against Ryan.

It seems that Mr. Romney's strategy with distracting the Left and the Obama campaign is working pretty well.........lol

 

The "joke" by Mitt was not about the birth certificate, but a way of reminding people of Obama's post-American approach to presidency. It seems to be working.

 

From Ann Althouse:

Romney is saying — in so many words — I’m more truly and fundamentally American than Barack Obama. And the implication is:

I want you to think about the ways that Obama hasn’t fully embraced American values of freedom, capitalism, etc. etc.

Of course, you don’t have to be born in America to have those values. I imagine Ted Cruz has those values, and he was born in Canada. He might make a great Senator from Texas soon, but he can never be President. We don’t need to see his birth certificate, because it’s no secret. He’s not qualified to be President, and it’s no disparagement of him to say that. But notably — and pay attention now, because this should help with understanding Romney’s joke — no one running against Cruz would make a joke about his being born outside of the United States. Romney’s (implicit) joke about Obama works not because of where he was actually born, but because of much more substantive ideas about commitment to foundational American values.

 

 

Exactly. With the added benefit that the press would miss the point and thus, in its outrage, spread the idea further than Romney could on his own.

 

The audience got it, though. As Jan Crawford reported: “At Romney event, two reactions to his birth certificate joke: reporters gasped–and a crowd of thousands laughed and cheered.”

Yep. The question over where Barry was born still rages today because people aren't sure where his loyalties lie. That was Romney's point, not joining the birther movement. But you can bet it frosted Barry's ass to hear that comment.

[IDBillzFan]

Yep. The question over where Barry was born still rages today because people aren't sure where his loyalties lie.

 

The birth certificate thing only rages in the minds of progressives, as evidenced by the OP of this thread. Anyone following the news/Twitter/etc heard about the quote, and you could easily predict that some idiot progressive would fly in here and yell "Mitt's a BIrther!!!" while missing the joke with the rest of the progressive world.

 

In the end, I suspect a time will finally come when we find out the reason people think Obama was born in Kenya is because he put that on his college apps to get accepted with scholarships when he knew his stoner light bulb couldn't get in on its own. Much like Warren getting around on her 1/32nd Cherokee claim so universities could tout their diversity.

Edited August 25, 2012 by LABillzFan

[1billsfan]

Palin was widely considered to have out-debated Joe, and at least evenly-debated him. And she's a half-wit. He doesn't stand a chance against Ryan.

 

Yep. The question over where Barry was born still rages today because people aren't sure where his loyalties lie. That was Romney's point, not joining the birther movement. But you can bet it frosted Barry's ass to hear that comment.

 

So true. People no longer are buying Obama's 2008 moderate, hope and change story. They don't know what religion he is or if he even believes in any religion. They don't know where he was born. They're not sure where his true political beliefs lye. Why is this the case? Because he has been a fraud. Because he has basically given middle america the finger with his socialist policies. Because he's spent millions hiding his past. The MSM is no longer in control of the dialog in 2012. The kool-aid is wearing off.

 

I read that the movie 2016 is #3 movie in the box office. This is not a birther issue, it's an issue of a president people feel they don't know anything about and who appears to be hiding things. I think Romney's "birther" joke is fair game because it slyly pokes fun at the larger issue which middle america is feeling. The GOP needs to hammer Obama on all fronts and this includes doubts about his deep, under the surface, political beliefs and loyalties.

 

If NBC/Brian Williams can do a one hour expose on the Mormon religion, the same network which ignored Obama's clearly racist and radical Reverend Wright, then it's fair game that the Romney campaign and the conservative media outlets do the same to Obama. This election is too important to hold any punches. Nice guys finish last, just ask John McCain. I hope that Christie hits the MSM hard in his speech because it really needs to be said in front a huge audience of millions of Americans since they were the main reason a complete unknown and unqualified far far left Obama elected.

[Rob's House]

hehe I stand by my original thesis here...once again not predicting a Biden slam dunk or even a "win" (if there is such thing) but a better performance than you all are assuming...he's a goofball and probably a bit retarded and certainly a liability in the hypersensitive media world out there .... but he's capable of making it through a VP debate that nobody cares about ... total prediction nobody can know the future and it's certainly buying low even to make this statement but here I am making it. More importantly I can't stress enough that nobody will care in the end.

 

The politics of the moment distract us but Biden can walk on stage and do a little debate w/ out throwing a bomb either way...and even more true is that Ryan can't possibly walk out on stage at a VP debate and throw a meaningful bomb b/c after all it's a VP debate. And even given that it doesn't matter I still can't stress enough...Biden can do it well enough. There's all kinds of stuff (certainly now) people can use to call him goofy and he is...but there is a long career of stuff that can be shown that he can handle this VP debate don't be so caught up in faux-hype against Biden or for Ryan. I'm no here calling Biden great (God forbid) but let's not get out of hand. And also...I'm not attacking Ryan in this post but the boy-genius man love isn't something that I would just bank on translating into reality both politically or even in terms of governing genius (I know that is devil speak to you guys)...hype all around that means nothing Ryan will be Ryan and Biden won't be a caveman and nobody will care in the end b/c it's VP debate.

Never underestimate the power of boy-genius man love.

[Keukasmallies]

So the official format of the campaign is for Romney to tread on "little cat's feet," and Obama to slash and burn?

 

*^(& that! Say what you want to say, accept the consequences, move on to the next false statement!

[DC Tom]

It seems that Mr. Romney's strategy with distracting the Left and the Obama campaign is working pretty well.........lol

 

The "joke" by Mitt was not about the birth certificate, but a way of reminding people of Obama's post-American approach to presidency. It seems to be working.

 

From Ann Althouse:

Romney is saying — in so many words — I’m more truly and fundamentally American than Barack Obama. And the implication is:

I want you to think about the ways that Obama hasn’t fully embraced American values of freedom, capitalism, etc. etc.

Of course, you don’t have to be born in America to have those values. I imagine Ted Cruz has those values, and he was born in Canada. He might make a great Senator from Texas soon, but he can never be President. We don’t need to see his birth certificate, because it’s no secret. He’s not qualified to be President, and it’s no disparagement of him to say that. But notably — and pay attention now, because this should help with understanding Romney’s joke — no one running against Cruz would make a joke about his being born outside of the United States. Romney’s (implicit) joke about Obama works not because of where he was actually born, but because of much more substantive ideas about commitment to foundational American values.

 

 

Exactly. With the added benefit that the press would miss the point and thus, in its outrage, spread the idea further than Romney could on his own.

 

The audience got it, though. As Jan Crawford reported: “At Romney event, two reactions to his birth certificate joke: reporters gasped–and a crowd of thousands laughed and cheered.”

 

 

 

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Actually, Cruz is eligible. He's a natural-born citizen.

 

Palin was widely considered to have out-debated Joe, and at least evenly-debated him. And she's a half-wit. He doesn't stand a chance against Ryan.

 

I think Palin out-debated Joe because she's a half-wit. She just didn't get flustered, which frustrated Biden so much he looked like he wanted to strangle her.