Mr_Blizzard Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 Well the fact of the matter was that Troup and Carrington were projected to go wayyy lower than where we took them. Are the rankings always right? Of course not. But those two guys would have been there two rounds later respectively. The fact that we passed on guys like Gronkowski, Angerer and Navorro Bowman is sickening. Again, no GM is perfect but that's bad. I was almost over it and you brought it up again!
DrDawkinstein Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 Anyone mentioning Gronkowski in this thread should be banned. He had SERIOUS injury issues. So bad in fact that the Pats spent another pick on Hernandez as an insurance policy. Were we in the position to be wasting picks on insurance policies?
Coach Tuesday Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 Anyone mentioning Gronkowski in this thread should be banned. He had SERIOUS injury issues. So bad in fact that the Pats spent another pick on Hernandez as an insurance policy. Were we in the position to be wasting picks on insurance policies? Do you not see the irony in that last sentence? What do you think Spiller was/is?
DrDawkinstein Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 Do you not see the irony in that last sentence? What do you think Spiller was/is? The best player available, and a type of RB/weapon we did not have. We had 2 power RBs on the roster: Lynch, who was on his way out of Buffalo because he would not even come in to meet with Gailey. And Jackson, who at the time was 29 years old and not getting any younger. We were bound to have at least 1, if not 2, needs at RB. Luckily, Jackson has stayed productive (to say the least). To bring up Spiller as a comparison, you'd also have to say we drafted another RB in the 3rd or 4th.
BuffBill Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 Anyone mentioning Gronkowski in this thread should be banned. He had SERIOUS injury issues. So bad in fact that the Pats spent another pick on Hernandez as an insurance policy. Were we in the position to be wasting picks on insurance policies? Heck, don't mentioned a Pro Bowl tight end who broke every single season receiving record for tight ends in just his second season. Not sure how you can defend the Spiller pick then type that second sentenced you typed?
DrDawkinstein Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 Heck, don't mentioned a Pro Bowl tight end who broke every single season receiving record for tight ends in just his second season. Not sure how you can defend the Spiller pick then type that second sentenced you typed? He wasnt a pro bowl TE at that draft. He didnt break any records before that draft. He was just a prospect with a very bad back. Do you understand how time works? I understand it's a bit of an abstract concept, but events happen in a linear order, and you cant go back and change things based on what you know now.
Lurker Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 I understand it's a bit of an abstract concept, but events happen in a linear order, and you cant go back and change things based on what you know now. Yeah. Once upon a time, TSW was full of knowledgeable posters. Sure wish we had a way-back machine...
Best Player Available Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 Yes, this is a cause for alarm. I give Chan/Nix some room because as soon Levy/Jauron rolled into town, they started screwing up the team. Jauron had a huge say in the draft, and after Levy left, he might well have had final say (other than perhaps Ralph). They left the Bills a complete mess, and Jauron got a job as a defensive backs coach. Somehow, Cleveland was stupid enough to hire him as DC. Watch what happens. Jauron was unthinkably bad in every phase of his job. Yet amazingly some of the better starters on the team are Jauron era leftovers.
ganesh Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 You must not have seen what I bolded. In other words, big !@#$ing deal that 3 of them are still on the team. It hasn't even been 3 years and this class is looking dreadful. As the foundation of Nix's rebuild plan, the 2010 draft truly is panning out to be nothing but mud. And even Donahoe's first draft was awesome with starters in Clements, Schoebel, Travis Henry, Ron Edwards, Jonas Jennings....Even his scrubs like Brandon Spoon, Tony Driver and Jimmy Williams played in the NFL for a few seasons...and we bitched about Donahoe.... Nix and Gailey have a lot riding on this season.
Mr. WEO Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 He wasnt a pro bowl TE at that draft. He didnt break any records before that draft. He was just a prospect with a very bad back. Do you understand how time works? I understand it's a bit of an abstract concept, but events happen in a linear order, and you cant go back and change things based on what you know now. He had a very bad back when he was drafted? How and when did it get un-badded? And how do you know the pats drafted Hernandez as "insurance"? Why didn't they draft Hernandez before Gronk?
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 A couple of thoughts - Modrak was shown the door after this draft.....you can pin this on Nix and Gailey if you want but if you are going to do that at least give the two of them credit for the ability to recognize errors and not be to proud to admit them by making changes......just like QB edwards and that OT from the raiders. After this horrid draft Modrak was gone. - Since that draft and truly getting settled in it looks like Nix and Gailey have followed that up with two very solid drafts. At least HUGE steps in the right direction are being taken unlike former GM and HC who have stringed bad drafts along with lackluster free agent off seasons. So yes...the draft was bad.....but the team might actually be good THIS x 10000... I dont know if it was just too late to get thier own draft board together or whatever the reasons are. 2010 clearly had Mordak's paw prints all over. Lots of hooded gems and lots of outsmarting the other guys in the room with "high motor guys". 2011 and 2012 are flat out different. Guys are either the biggest, strongest, fastest or some combination of all. Heavy on ACC or SEC and many more rookies getting onto the field and contributing for 2011 class and I expect from 2012... Anyone missing this pattern isn't paying close enough attention to post anything meaningful on this subject.
Ramius Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 He had a very bad back when he was drafted? How and when did it get un-badded? And how do you know the pats drafted Hernandez as "insurance"? Why didn't they draft Hernandez before Gronk? Seeing how he missed the entire '09 college season with a back injury, i'd say that he had back issues.
MyHorseAteTheKid Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 I wish Easley would show something.. Anything... He looked like the real deal last year before the mystery heart ailment!!
thewildrabbit Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 And even Donahoe's first draft was awesome with starters in Clements, Schoebel, Travis Henry, Ron Edwards, Jonas Jennings....Even his scrubs like Brandon Spoon, Tony Driver and Jimmy Williams played in the NFL for a few seasons...and we bitched about Donahoe.... Nix and Gailey have a lot riding on this season. This is a really great point! The first year under Donahoe / Williams the Bills went 3-13, then went 8-8 the second year. That 2nd draft most fans wanted to crucify Donahoe for taking Mike Williams with the #4 overall. Williams never became that stud LT, but at least he started at RT for 4 years. The others from that year were Josh Reed, Ryan Denny, Coy Wire, Justin Bannan The 3rd draft under Donahoe was also good. Willis McGahee, Chris Kelsay, Angelo Crowell, Terrance McGee, Sam Aiken, Mario Haggen What is it with this team and avoiding 1st round QB's the last 10 years?
ganesh Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 What is it with this team and avoiding 1st round QB's the last 10 years? Technically, they have spent 3 First Round picks on QBs in the last decade.... One for the Drew Bledsoe Trade One for the draft pick for J.P Losman and One for the trade. They have also spent 1st round picks on RBs exclusively in McGahee, Lynch and Spiller and have got nothing out of any of them except for some stupid low round draft picks.
Dopey Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 After Troup going on IR for the season I was just thinking back to how awful Nix's first draft was for this team... I mean it is really terrible. Spiller - hasn't produced enough at this point to justify the pick although a lot of upside here (best pick) Troup - IR for 2nd straight season Carrington - likely to be cut this year, never done anything as a Bill Easley - injured the entire time he has been on the team, likely to be cut Wang - trash Moats - should make the team (2nd best pick.. not saying much) Batten - likely to be cut Levi Brown - trash Calloway - trash After cuts we are likely to only have Spiller and Moats playing this year... what a disaster this was. Your thoughts? My thoughts?!?!? My thought is "aren't there like 2-3 or 4 threads like this already?!?!? Yawn.
bbb Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 Anyone mentioning Gronkowski in this thread should be banned. He had SERIOUS injury issues. So bad in fact that the Pats spent another pick on Hernandez as an insurance policy. Were we in the position to be wasting picks on insurance policies? This is what I was saying the other night about this very issue. I really did not want Gronk. I thought he knew he was badly injured and was trying to get one payday out of it. He didn't play the entire '09 season due to back surgery and could have went back to school, and proved he was a high first round pick. But, he chose to come out. I thought he had red flags coming out the butt.
BuffBill Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 (edited) He had a very bad back when he was drafted? How and when did it get un-badded? And how do you know the pats drafted Hernandez as "insurance"? Why didn't they draft Hernandez before Gronk? Exactly, Gronk and Hernandez play two distinctive roles in the Pats offense. If all Hernandez was only insurance why did they just extend him after extending Gronk not that long ago? Some people will say the dumbest things trying to defend this FO, who by the way have averaged less wins per season then their predecessors did. Edited August 27, 2012 by BuffBill
DrDawkinstein Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 He had a very bad back when he was drafted? How and when did it get un-badded? And how do you know the pats drafted Hernandez as "insurance"? Why didn't they draft Hernandez before Gronk? Are you seriously this clueless about Gronk's history? Or are you just parodying the rest of the dummies?
jahnyc Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 We really need A. Williams and Sheppard to step up this year. Otherwise, the 2011 draft will be a bust other than Darreus, who was a no brainer of a pick.
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