Ramius Posted August 24, 2012 Posted August 24, 2012 Correct. JPP was the BPA, and not picking him cost Ralph $100 million this offseason (I'm dead serious). Then Troup, Carrington and Easley were need picks and proved why you don't draft for need over value. The 2010 draft was pretty much a textbook case of what NOT to do on draft day. No. see my above post about JPP. Saying he was BPA in april of 2010 is a complete lie.
mob16151 Posted August 24, 2012 Posted August 24, 2012 No. see my above post about JPP. Saying he was BPA in april of 2010 is a complete lie. No point in arguing with them.
FitzShowUsYourTitz Posted August 24, 2012 Posted August 24, 2012 He wasn't just considered the BPA at the Bills pick--- in fact, Spiller was considered by many pundits and scouts to be the best player in the entire draft. I've always liked the "Jests" moniker--- I'm calling it now, if the Bills win the division, then NE officially becomes the Past. It's our time. LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Past!!!
Fingon Posted August 24, 2012 Posted August 24, 2012 (edited) I don't get why everyone is so hung up on the 2010 draft. Getting two starters out of a draft is by no means "really terrible". Hell, New England has had a few "really terrible" drafts in the last 5 or 6 years. You know, years where not one drafted player was a starter. Edited August 24, 2012 by Fingon
djp14150 Posted August 24, 2012 Posted August 24, 2012 Lets use a fair measuring stick....what about other teams 2010 draft? You also cant discount free agents signed from the 2010 draft pool either? Troupe will forever be cast a shadow over no matter what since picked right after him was some local kid...
CodeMonkey Posted August 24, 2012 Posted August 24, 2012 Pretty massive understatement there. The guy averaged over 5 yards/carry last year (good for 7th in the NFL among running backs with at least 100 carries), had 7 runs of over 20 yards (there were only 12 backs in the league with more; 9 of whom had at least 100 more carries than Spiller), and averaged 5.75 yards/touch over his 6 starts (just for fun, go check out LeSean McCoy's stats for his last 6 starts, but don't stop there, compare the defenses they faced too). The problem with him isn't his stats. Sometimes the O line would make a seam and Spiller would be 20 yards down the field before the D even knew what the hell was going on which was always fun to watch and (rightly so in my opinion) gives fans something to be hopeful about. But the next 3 or more carries he would run towards the sideline for no gain. So for those 4 carries as an example, his YPC would be 5 (even more if the initial run was more than 20 yards). But that doesn't do much to sustain a drive. Spiller has explosive speed, but until he learns how to use it properly by going north instead of east/west consistently it isn't going to do the Bills much good over the course of a game or season. Maybe this is the year he finally is able to put it all together. All Bills fans should hope for this. I certainly am!
BillsVet Posted August 24, 2012 Posted August 24, 2012 From now on, I'm not blaming the 2002 through 2011 drafts on anyone but Tom Modrak. He is clearly OBD's version of Mush from A Bronx Tale.
thewildrabbit Posted August 24, 2012 Posted August 24, 2012 (edited) A couple of thoughts - Modrak was shown the door after this draft.....you can pin this on Nix and Gailey if you want but if you are going to do that at least give the two of them credit for the ability to recognize errors and not be to proud to admit them by making changes......just like QB edwards and that OT from the raiders. After this horrid draft Modrak was gone. - Since that draft and truly getting settled in it looks like Nix and Gailey have followed that up with two very solid drafts. At least HUGE steps in the right direction are being taken unlike former GM and HC who have stringed bad drafts along with lackluster free agent off seasons. So yes...the draft was bad.....but the team might actually be good Blaming that draft on Modrak is like giving a pass to Gailey when he never watched past film of Fred Jackson, or didn't know Spiller wasn't ready to start that 2010 season. Considering how desperate this team was for talent, and then everyone including the owner stating that the team lacked talent. To come up so short in that first draft is somewhat baffling when you think of Buddy Nix's resume of past drafts. Bottom line, Nix should have watched the film and gone over every player he was going to draft, regardless of when he was hired. That 2010 draft is looking even worse then Jauron / Levy I look back to the Chuck Know and Bill Polian / Levy era's and come away thinking this GM isn't even close. The only reason the team drafted so great in 2011 and got Marcel Darius was because the team was so terrible. Same thing for last years draft. Anyway, it still remains to be seen if any of the players Nix has drafted so far surpass the players Jauron drafted. Edited August 24, 2012 by Fear the Beard
thebandit27 Posted August 24, 2012 Posted August 24, 2012 Correct. JPP was the BPA, and not picking him cost Ralph $100 million this offseason (I'm dead serious). Then Troup, Carrington and Easley were need picks and proved why you don't draft for need over value. The 2010 draft was pretty much a textbook case of what NOT to do on draft day. Coach, this is the EXACT type of revisionist history that drives those of us that followed college football at the time nuts. JPP played exactly ONE season of college football, and produced 6.5 sacks. http://www.gousfbulls.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=7700&ATCLID=3662472 Yes, he was considered a very talented athlete, but was nothing short of a high-risk player at the #15 slot where the Giants picked him. There's no version of events that matches your statement.
billsfan89 Posted August 24, 2012 Posted August 24, 2012 Agreed even if CJ pans out to be an elite RB, and Moats comes in and contributes as a quality depth player, its still a huge blemish on the record of Nix. Also A.Williams and Sheppard have to pan out too (Although its looking much better for those guys) for that 2011 draft to be a success. But unless Troup comes back from IR and is a good third DT its looking like that draft is a D+ at best a C- (IF Spiller is elite and Moats is a solid starter).
Gugny Posted August 24, 2012 Posted August 24, 2012 Thank GOD there's something to B word about after such a great offseason. PHEW!!!
thebandit27 Posted August 24, 2012 Posted August 24, 2012 The problem with him isn't his stats. Sometimes the O line would make a seam and Spiller would be 20 yards down the field before the D even knew what the hell was going on which was always fun to watch and (rightly so in my opinion) gives fans something to be hopeful about. But the next 3 or more carries he would run towards the sideline for no gain. So for those 4 carries as an example, his YPC would be 5 (even more if the initial run was more than 20 yards). But that doesn't do much to sustain a drive. Spiller has explosive speed, but until he learns how to use it properly by going north instead of east/west consistently it isn't going to do the Bills much good over the course of a game or season. Maybe this is the year he finally is able to put it all together. All Bills fans should hope for this. I certainly am! I understand where you're coming from, and yes, he does need to get better from carry-to-carry. However, 7 rushes of over 20 yards isn't enough to skew his YPC average for the other 100+ carries he had during the season. If you take away his 7 carries of 20+ yards, he's still averaging 4.1 YPC.
Dragonborn10 Posted August 24, 2012 Posted August 24, 2012 A couple of thoughts - Modrak was shown the door after this draft.....you can pin this on Nix and Gailey if you want but if you are going to do that at least give the two of them credit for the ability to recognize errors and not be to proud to admit them by making changes......just like QB edwards and that OT from the raiders. After this horrid draft Modrak was gone. - Since that draft and truly getting settled in it looks like Nix and Gailey have followed that up with two very solid drafts. At least HUGE steps in the right direction are being taken unlike former GM and HC who have stringed bad drafts along with lackluster free agent off seasons. So yes...the draft was bad.....but the team might actually be good Based on what? One draft class hasn't taken a snap yet. The other was a no-brainer pick in Dareus, a CB that may not be any better than an injured vet or underachioeving first round bust, a MLB too small to play the postion, and an OT that couldn't win the job over Bell and is now a swing tackle. Nix has faired much better in FA and keeping their own group of good players than he has with the draft.
DanInUticaTampa Posted August 24, 2012 Posted August 24, 2012 The 2010 draft was pretty much a textbook case of what NOT to do on draft day. And for a lot of reasons. Using high picks on small schoolers, drafting one year starter, drafting for need, and I really think not grabbing a serious young qb to groom is a huge problem. Just someone in the 5th round would be ok. Just someone that might turn into something in a few years
Dragonborn10 Posted August 24, 2012 Posted August 24, 2012 Coach, this is the EXACT type of revisionist history that drives those of us that followed college football at the time nuts. JPP played exactly ONE season of college football, and produced 6.5 sacks. http://www.gousfbull...&ATCLID=3662472 Yes, he was considered a very talented athlete, but was nothing short of a high-risk player at the #15 slot where the Giants picked him. There's no version of events that matches your statement. He is wrong about JPP but dead on when it comes to drafting Troup and Easley for need. Had they not made the ill-fated decision to switch to a 3-4 (seriously Kyle Williams at NT????) Troup would have never been drafted by this team. Easley was a ridiculous reach.
HeHateMe Posted August 24, 2012 Author Posted August 24, 2012 I don't get why everyone is so hung up on the 2010 draft. Getting two starters out of a draft is by no means "really terrible". Hell, New England has had a few "really terrible" drafts in the last 5 or 6 years. You know, years where not one drafted player was a starter. Two starters? Fred Jackson is the starting RB on this team and Moats starting has not even been determined yet.
Herb62 Posted August 24, 2012 Posted August 24, 2012 Tom Brady was taken in what round? At some point the draft is a crap shoot. No reason that they could have known that troop and easley would have health issues. Which is why we always stink and NE, Pitt etc. are always in the hunt
GG Posted August 24, 2012 Posted August 24, 2012 I look at Nix's first two drafts and I really have to question whether the guy knows what he's doing as a GM. I love his coaches (now, although it took a re-boot on the defensive side) and he's done a good job with UDFAs and free agents. But the good teams win on draft day - Nix has not come close to doing that yet. Which is very ironic as Nix's primary goal was to fix the drafting process. It was his overall GM aptitude that was questioned. Forget 2010, the bigger test is how he came out of the 2011 draft which was the deepest in years.
John from Riverside Posted August 24, 2012 Posted August 24, 2012 Correct. JPP was the BPA, and not picking him cost Ralph $100 million this offseason (I'm dead serious). Then Troup, Carrington and Easley were need picks and proved why you don't draft for need over value. The 2010 draft was pretty much a textbook case of what NOT to do on draft day. OK so just let me get this straight. JPP was BPP and we should have taken him even though he was a 1 year wonder from a small school.....yet we are ripping Nix ass for taking Carrington who was also raw from a small school but taken later..... Then JPP gets hurt in his first year and is gone....FOR THE YEAR. And because we have the benefit of now looking at this years later Nix screwed up.....what if JPP doesnt come back from that injury fully? What if he was a one year wonder to begin with? How does Nix have the benefit of knowing that JPP is a great player now back then? Does he have a time machine? By the way guys....CJ Spiller is NOT a bust. He is at a disadvantage of playing behind a top 10 running back in the league in Freddie Jackson....and when FJ went down CJ put up some pretty darn good numbers and was player of the week at least one of those weeks (I would have to research that). We are gonna blame Nix for knowing he has a powder keg in Lynch (and was proven right this offseason) and a older running back in FJ? We are gonna blame Buddy for that? Really?
BuffBill Posted August 24, 2012 Posted August 24, 2012 I don't get why everyone is so hung up on the 2010 draft. Getting two starters out of a draft is by no means "really terrible". Hell, New England has had a few "really terrible" drafts in the last 5 or 6 years. You know, years where not one drafted player was a starter. Who are the two starters? Moats is projected to be one. Spiller is Jackson's backup.
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