spartacus Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 (edited) So 2 out of 9 turned out to be usable players. That's a 22% success rate. Now, who would you consider a good drafting team? The Patriots? Lets look at the Patriots 2009 draft. Patrick Chung - Starter Ron Brace - 3rd String Darius Butler - CUT Sebastian Vollmer- Starter Brandon Tate - CUT Tyrone Mckenzie - CUT Rich Ohrnberger - CUT George Bussey - CUT Jake Ingram - CUT Myron Pryor - 4th String Julian Edelman - 3rd String Darryl Richard - CUT So the Patriots were 2 out of 12. Which is a 16% success rate. actually the Pats area a notoriously bad drafting team BB makes it up in astute free agent signings and trades why not look at the draft history from GB or Pitts or Balt Edited August 27, 2012 by spartacus
K-9 Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 actually the Pats area a notoriously bad drafting team BB makes it up in astute free agent signings and trades why not look at the draft history from GB or Pitts or Balt He mostly makes it up by riding the coattails of a 6th round pick that nobody in the universe could have predicted would end up being a first ballot HOF QB and one of the best of all time. GO BILLS!!!
mannc Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 So 2 out of 9 turned out to be usable players. That's a 22% success rate. Now, who would you consider a good drafting team? The Patriots? Lets look at the Patriots 2009 draft. Patrick Chung - Starter Ron Brace - 3rd String Darius Butler - CUT Sebastian Vollmer- Starter Brandon Tate - CUT Tyrone Mckenzie - CUT Rich Ohrnberger - CUT George Bussey - CUT Jake Ingram - CUT Myron Pryor - 4th String Julian Edelman - 3rd String Darryl Richard - CUT So the Patriots were 2 out of 12. Which is a 16% success rate. Certainly not a great draft. But then again, the Pats had far fewer holes to fill and they were drafting later than the Bills in every round.
Mr. WEO Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 (edited) actually the Pats area a notoriously bad drafting team BB makes it up in astute free agent signings and trades why not look at the draft history from GB or Pitts or Balt Who are all of the astute free agents he has on his team now? The past 4 years? He hasn't drafted any good players recently? What was wrong with taking a nose tackle high when you are switching to a 3-4? Objectively, now? If I'm a new GM, and we have to switch to that D? That's the first thing I'd draft if it's there at my pick. You take 100 teams, that's a perfectly acceptable tactic....but only with the Bills it's bad? Explain that better, because you are starting to sound irrational here. Meanwhile: The more time that goes by the more Edwards looks like a "Rooney Rule/Affirmative Action" hire that was kinda forced on Buddy/Chan. Not saying Chan(Chan is the HC, right?) can't hire whoever he wants...but...also not saying somebody in the NFL front office didn't influence/pick up the phone and push for that. The reason is: boy, didn't they move quick to extricated him and his defense after year 1? Did Chan have any coaching history with Edwards....like he does with Wanny, Lee, pretty much everybody else on the staff? Hey, I could be wrong, but "Occam's razor" says: affirmative action hire. They didn't "have to" switch to the 3-4, they foolishly chose to. If you want a NT, pick one later. There's value in that position later. It is likely Troup would be there in the 3rd. There is no "Rooney Rule" for coordinators (except for the Bills?). You made that up. Your argument makes no sense. Edited August 28, 2012 by Mr. WEO
LiterateStylish Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 actually the Pats area a notoriously bad drafting team BB makes it up in astute free agent signings and trades why not look at the draft history from GB or Pitts or Balt Fair enough. Baltimore 2009 draft: Michael Oher - Starter, but a big disappointment Paul Kruger - 2nd string L. Webb - Starter Jason Phillips - CUT Davon Drew - CUT Cedric Peerman - CUT 2 for the Ravens. ------ Steelers 2009 Draft: Ziggy Hood - Starter Kraig Urbik - CUT Mike Wallace - Starter Keenan Lewis - Starter Joe Burnett - CUT Frank Summers - CUT Ra’Shon Harris - CUT AQ Shipley - CUT David Johnson - CUT 3 for the Steelers ------ Packers 2009 Draft: BJ Raji - Starter Clay Matthews - Starter TJ Lang - Starter Quinn Johnson - CUT Jamon Merideth - CUT Jarus Wynn - 3rd String Brandon Underwood - CUT Brad Jones - 3rd STRING 3 for the Packers
artmalibu Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 Crazy to say why didnt they draft Aaron Hernandez he was taken in the 4th round!! So, every team passed on him 3 times and some 4 times. If the Pats thought he would have turned out so good do you think they would have waited? Not to mention if most other teams had taken him he may not be a star. When they took Troup they were in desperate need of a interior D line to stop the run. So to take someone at any other position would have been crazy. No reason to think he would have the injury trouble, and when he has been able to play he looked promising. If after the 2 yeas they have had them if they thought he couldnt play he would have been cut not put on IR.
OCinBuffalo Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 They didn't "have to" switch to the 3-4, they foolishly chose to. If you want a NT, pick one later. There's value in that position later. It is likely Troup would be there in the 3rd. There is no "Rooney Rule" for coordinators (except for the Bills?). You made that up. Your argument makes no sense. Of course they chose to.... again When they hired Edwards, that's the D he runs. It's not as if they went 3-4...and then hired Edwards. No. We didn't hear about 3-4 until AFTER Edwards was hired. The f'ing point is: if that is what you are going to do...then your NT suddenly becomes key. You can't do 3-4 if you have a problem at NT. You can do it with lesser players at other positions(see Patriots)...but not at NT. So, drafting a NT high is certainly no problem at all. And, if you are going to get one, why wouldn't you want the best one = take him in the 1st or 2nd round? What makes no sense here is you saying that they shouldn't have done...something they are supposed to do, that most of the successful 3-4 teams have historically done(Pats, Jets, Dolphins, Steelers, Ravens). All these teams have drafted NT high...but if the Bills do it, it's wrong? And finally how in the hell do you get me saying "There's a Rooney Rule for coordinators"....out of this? "The more time that goes by the more Edwards looks like a "Rooney Rule/Affirmative Action" hire that was kinda forced on Buddy/Chan. Not saying Chan(Chan is the HC, right?) can't hire whoever he wants...but...also not saying somebody in the NFL front office didn't influence/pick up the phone and push for that". Looks like...is not is, =, or "the same". Looks like...means looks like. I asked for a better explanation, from anyone....you provided poor reading comprehension instead. Fair enough. Baltimore 2009 draft: Michael Oher - Starter, but a big disappointment Paul Kruger - 2nd string L. Webb - Starter Jason Phillips - CUT Davon Drew - CUT Cedric Peerman - CUT 2 for the Ravens. ------ Steelers 2009 Draft: Ziggy Hood - Starter Kraig Urbik - CUT Mike Wallace - Starter Keenan Lewis - Starter Joe Burnett - CUT Frank Summers - CUT Ra’Shon Harris - CUT AQ Shipley - CUT David Johnson - CUT 3 for the Steelers ------ Packers 2009 Draft: BJ Raji - Starter Clay Matthews - Starter TJ Lang - Starter Quinn Johnson - CUT Jamon Merideth - CUT Jarus Wynn - 3rd String Brandon Underwood - CUT Brad Jones - 3rd STRING 3 for the Packers Now what? No, seriously, I want to know what they are going to say next...since this is headed towards hilarious...I can feel it!
Sisyphean Bills Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 Now what? No, seriously, I want to know what they are going to say next...since this is headed towards hilarious...I can feel it! OK, let's see if I'm getting the humor. Dick Jauron drafted 3 starters in 2009 and he's comparing 2009 draft classes and showing several other teams got 2 or 3 starters. That's the knee slapper, right? So, the 3 starters drafted by the imbecilic Dick Jauron was actually a pretty good draft. And those guys are much better players than the 1 starter, the 6th pick, that was drafted by new regime that replaced dumb Dick in 2010 as well. I was thinking of a more apples to apples comparison and thought of the Seahawks since they also went with a new regime in 2010. Their 3 top picks are all starters with the 4th being a fringe player who might not make the team. Hilarious, is it not?
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