DC Tom Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 What happens if the woman doesn't have the procedure? A baby is born. Or not. Depends. And it doesn't prove anything. Prove a fertilized ovum is a human life. Let me spell it out for you more clearly: prove that eight undifferentiated fetal cells are a human life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 A baby is born. Or not. Depends. And it doesn't prove anything. Prove a fertilized ovum is a human life. Let me spell it out for you more clearly: prove that eight undifferentiated fetal cells are a human life. Interesting word and very appropriate. Strictly from a medical (scientific) standpoint: zygotes have the potential to become blastocysts. blastocysts have the potential to become embryos embryos have the potential to become fully-formed and healthy human babies. But like you said, it depends. On a host of things too numerous to discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 (edited) A baby is born. Or not. Depends. And it doesn't prove anything. Prove a fertilized ovum is a human life. Let me spell it out for you more clearly: prove that eight undifferentiated fetal cells are a human life. So, if the procedure fails and the cells are laying on a table breathing, and the doctor stuffs scissors into the brain, did he abort a fetus or murder a baby? Edited August 22, 2012 by Gary M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 So, if the procedure fails and the cells are laying on a table breathing, and the doctor stuffs scissors into the brain, that's not murder? Not sure about that but is sounds like a great scene from a Hammer Film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 So, if the procedure fails and the cells are laying on a table breathing, and the doctor stuffs scissors into the brain, did he abort a fetus or murder a baby? Do you pull the car over and say a prayer every time a bug splats your windshield? Or are they different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 Do you pull the car over and say a prayer every time a bug splats your windshield? Or are they different? Did you really just ask this question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldTraveller Posted August 22, 2012 Author Share Posted August 22, 2012 I'm internally debating to see which comment was more retarded, post #303 or #305.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 Did you really just ask this question? To the guy talking about stabbing cells in the "brain" while they "breath?" Yes. Yes, I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 I'm internally debating to see which comment was more retarded, post #303 or #305.... Whew............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 To the guy talking about stabbing cells in the "brain" while they "breath?" Yes. Yes, I did. Fair. I suppose I should ask him if he meant that litterally, or figuratively. Either way, one of you just made us all dumber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 I'm internally debating to see which comment was more retarded, post #303 or #305.... Why, the situation I describe is a legal procedure and the President defends it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 Why, the situation I describe is a legal procedure and the President defends it. Are you speaking litterally about a microscopic cluster of cells, or are you figuratively alluding to a botched 3'rd trimester abortion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 Are you speaking litterally about a microscopic cluster of cells, or are you figuratively alluding to a botched 3'rd trimester abortion? According to the President there is no difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 According to the President there is no difference. But I'm not asking the President. I'm asking you. Which were you refering too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 According to the President there is no difference. Fair. I suppose I should ask him if he meant that litterally, or figuratively. Either way, one of you just made us all dumber. I think we have our answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 But I'm not asking the President. I'm asking you. Which were you refering too? What's the difference. it is just a bunch of cells. Right To the guy talking about stabbing cells in the "brain" while they "breath?" Yes. Yes, I did. So when does the mass of cells becomes a person? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 What's the difference. it is just a bunch of cells. Right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 A baby is born. Or not. Depends. And it doesn't prove anything. Prove a fertilized ovum is a human life. Let me spell it out for you more clearly: prove that eight undifferentiated fetal cells are a human life. This is the entire problem. We have not defined when life begins. So my argument is lets err on the side of caution and assume it is at fertilization. The problem with that is that women can't be free in our country if they can't kill their babies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 So when does the mass of cells becomes a person? I'm just jumping into the discussion here but personally...if you are a woman with an early pregnancy you don't want...I don't even care if some people consider it a 'person' or not. You can decide IMO at that point...even if it is a "person"...that you choose not to give birth to it. The "is it a person or not" and "science now says this blah blah blah" is just a distraction ... to cut the chase most true pro-choice people ultimately agree that the woman can abort an early pregnancy she doesn't want plain and simple. If that's killing babies to you and the person is horrible then fine...go scream about at Church or on the side of the road. I don't care. This is a subject a lot of people kitty-foot around who are pro-chioce b/c it makes them seem uncaring or barbaric...I don't like it I'm not happy about it and it is pretty horrible...but it is what it is and it's up to the woman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 (edited) This is the entire problem. We have not defined when life begins. So my argument is lets err on the side of caution and assume it is at fertilization.Because I'm not willing to legislate away the rights of someone who is a recognizable human being when there is no conclusive science to back the legislation, distasteful as I may personally find it. The problem with that is that women can't be free in our country if they can't kill their babies.Hyperbolus post is hyperbolous. I'm just jumping into the discussion here but personally...if you are a woman with an early pregnancy you don't want...I don't even care if some people consider it a 'person' or not. You can decide IMO at that point...even if it is a "person"...that you choose not to give birth to it. The "is it a person or not" and "science now says this blah blah blah" is just a distraction ... to cut the chase most true pro-choice people ultimately agree that the woman can abort an early pregnancy she doesn't want plain and simple. If that's killing babies to you and the person is horrible then fine...go scream about at Church or on the side of the road. I don't care. This is a subject a lot of people kitty-foot around who are pro-chioce b/c it makes them seem uncaring or barbaric...I don't like it I'm not happy about it and it is pretty horrible...but it is what it is and it's up to the woman. And this is equally morally vacant. If you wish to remain logically consistant, you must also support the drowning of unwanted children. Life has rights, or it doesn't. Choose. Edited August 22, 2012 by TakeYouToTasker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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