Nanker Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 My secret sources tell me Israel is going to use HAARP. Oh, sweet Jesus. A Jew's Haarp? I couldn't resist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Take a look at the map and ask yourself this: How is Israel going to fly their jets into Iran without going either a) over Turkish, Syrian or Iraqi airspace, or b) all the way around the Arabian peninsula without in-air refueling which they don't have tanker planes for? The same way they took out a reactor in Iraq days before it came online. Low, fast and strategically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 The same way they took out a reactor in Iraq days before it came online. Low, fast and strategically. Not to mention, the confirmed leaks from the WH advisors that we have the joint ability with Israel to transmit viruses to Iran software that controls their nuclear weaponry suggests we must have many other ways to remotely access their systems to shut down defense wherever we want to give Israel a direct bee line into Iran to do the most damage. Granted, now that Iran knows these secrets, they have probably taken some precautionary steps, but think of all the cool things the administation HASN'T leaked yet that Iran, to our knowledge, doesn't know about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 The same way they took out a reactor in Iraq days before it came online. Low, fast and strategically. And with Jordan's approval for an overfly. King Hussein wasn't stupid. Not to mention, the confirmed leaks from the WH advisors that we have the joint ability with Israel to transmit viruses to Iran software that controls their nuclear weaponry suggests we must have many other ways to remotely access their systems to shut down defense wherever we want to give Israel a direct bee line into Iran to do the most damage. The Israelis themselves have the ability. They took down the Syrian defenses in 2007(?) with what was essentially a hack: supposedly they broke into the network, and fed the radar operators' screens false data, so that they saw perfectly normal, everyday air traffic while the IAF was bombing the **** out of them. Supposedly. Still, no one wants to talk about it (the Israelis and US, for obvious reasons. The Syrians, because they were embarrassed, and the Russians because they don't want the world to know their defense systems seem to have a major security hole.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 I'm not sure why so many Americans view Israel as some puppet state of the US. The last 50+ years have provided ample evidence of the Israelis doing whatever the hell they want, wherever they want, to whomever they please. Whether conducting assassinations across the globe as payback for Munich, storming an air field in Uganda to free hostages, blowing up a French made nuclear reactor in Iraq, building settlements across disputed territories, or providing their neighbors periodic gut punches to keep them in line, it should be clear that Israel will do whatever they see fit without so much as lip service to the US and international community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBills Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 It's not our job or place to tell Israel what they can or can't do. They're a nuclear power with the best trained defense oriented militray in the world. If they want to go to war with Iran, let them, but leave us out of it. Good luck with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Well why don't you tell me what you mean, then I'll tell you why you're wrong. That will prove difficult, because I'm not. Everything from their non-expansionist policy to their handling of the purpetual palestinian conflict and right on through their prioritizing of short range weapons technology speaks to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 That will prove difficult, because I'm not. Everything from their non-expansionist policy to their handling of the purpetual palestinian conflict and right on through their prioritizing of short range weapons technology speaks to this. Yep, we're not talking about the same thing. You're talking about the strategic position of the country, where as I'm talking about the military. You're wrong in that you think you're talking about the military. You're not. The IDF's doctrine is, by necessity, offensive...Israel can't afford to fight defensive campaigns on other people's terms. It's their strategic policy that's, in effect, defensive. And those ain't just trivial semantic points, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Gee with all this talk about wars being determined by domestic and foreign politics, no wonder army suicide rates hit a high last month, with Panetta saying it's "an epidemic" and "something's wrong." No kidding DUMBASS, whats wrong is these people belong at home, not overseas at the ass end of political decisions when only their nuts are on the line. http://gregmitchellwriter.blogspot.sg/2012/08/army-suicide-rate-hits-all-time-high.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 (edited) Yep, we're not talking about the same thing. You're talking about the strategic position of the country, where as I'm talking about the military. You're wrong in that you think you're talking about the military. You're not. The IDF's doctrine is, by necessity, offensive...Israel can't afford to fight defensive campaigns on other people's terms. It's their strategic policy that's, in effect, defensive. And those ain't just trivial semantic points, either. These strategies are debated, designed, and instituted by the military; they are not somehow seperate from it. They're encompased by it. Edited August 17, 2012 by TakeYouToTasker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 These strategies are debated, designed, and instituted by the military; they are not somehow seperate from it. They're encompased by it. No, they're not. They're implemented by the military. In the IDF, the implementation is usually offensive, even if the strategy is defensive (there are exceptions, such as the Bar Lev line). It's the political decision of "We're going maintain and defend the border between Syria and the occupied Golan Heights" that's defensive...the Israeli military's implementation of the strategy is offensive, almost in entirety (because it has to be - Israel needs to end wars quickly, which you simply cannot do by adopting a defensive military posture.) Or, to put it even more simply: when Israel is defending itself, their military is still attacking. The IDF has never fought from a defensive posture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Take a look at the map and ask yourself this: How is Israel going to fly their jets into Iran without going either a) over Turkish, Syrian or Iraqi airspace, or b) all the way around the Arabian peninsula without in-air refueling which they don't have tanker planes for? Don't worry worst case scenario I'm sure the Israelis can rent some omega tankers if no other country was willing to allocate in flight refueling tankers for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Take a look at the map and ask yourself this: How is Israel going to fly their jets into Iran without going either a) over Turkish, Syrian or Iraqi airspace, or b) all the way around the Arabian peninsula without in-air refueling which they don't have tanker planes for? All governments are two faced, regardless of race and ethnicity. Arab Muslims love to talk smack about Israeli Jews. But in private, if word got to Saudi Arabia or Turkey's government that this was going down, that would be they day they run an air defense drill. And all those unidentified contacts? Well those are probably just part of the exercise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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