Rob's House Posted August 15, 2012 Posted August 15, 2012 (edited) jjamie's link shows there is in fact empirical evidence and I'm sure you've seen the opposite occur a bunch of times. I have too. But that's due to an over correction to a problem we like to pretend no longer exists. Of course I'm speaking subjectively. As I said a couple times now, I'm not trying to make a political point with any of this. It's a subject that interests me from an entirely different level. I don't claim to have solutions but am always interested in hearing ideas. Don't worry Greg, I'm not trying to beat up on you. I too have an interest in the subject. My concern is "overcorrection" as you put it. I just stumbled across a prime example just now. http://news.cincinna...S0107/308150032 In this case 6 black kids jumped a white guy because they were bored. By their own admission he'd done nothing to provoke the attack. However, this is what the cop had to say: “It was a heinous crime but it was not a hate crime,” said North College Hill Police Chief Gary Foust of the teens, who are all black. He said several residents have called police inquiring if Mahaney was specifically targeted because he is white. He was not, the chief stressed. When was the last time the racial element was immediately dismissed in a similar situation when the shoe was on the other foot? I don't like the idea of a black guy getting the shaft on account of race. By the same token, I don't like the idea of white individuals having to suffer at the hands of those who see us not as individuals but as separate racial groups (teams, if you will) and see some sort of cosmic justice in telling young white people today that it's their turn to suffer because other white people who aren't them did something wrong. Edited August 15, 2012 by Rob's House
Chef Jim Posted August 15, 2012 Posted August 15, 2012 Yeah...I'm arguing that being anywhere within 50 yards of Big Cat is worse... Of course I know that but I felt it better to address the absurdity of Big Cat's post by responding to yours.
DC Tom Posted August 16, 2012 Posted August 16, 2012 Of course I know that but I felt it better to address the absurdity of Big Cat's post by responding to yours. Makes sense. If you respond to Big Cat directly, he gets all confused, and before you know it he's arguing against something he's for, except in as much as he's completely dead-set against such an admittedly good idea...
IDBillzFan Posted August 16, 2012 Posted August 16, 2012 Actually my son would be better off because his mother was not a homeless crack addicted insane person who, I guess according to The Big Cat are only black women. Not to mention, Big Cat apparently has never met a successful person who overcame any kind of adversity from birth. In his world, the crack baby can never compete fairly with the trust fund baby. . And he's right. I mean, who ever heard of someone overcoming unfortunate circumstances to become successful? Inherent injustice is everywhere!!! FREE WILOLA!!! Makes sense. If you respond to Big Cat directly, he gets all confused, and before you know it he's arguing against something he's for, except in as much as he's completely dead-set against such an admittedly good idea... This could be your best post ever on this board.
Oxrock Posted August 16, 2012 Posted August 16, 2012 Not to mention, Big Cat apparently has never met a successful person who overcame any kind of adversity from birth. In his world, the crack baby can never compete fairly with the trust fund baby. . And he's right. I mean, who ever heard of someone overcoming unfortunate circumstances to become successful? Inherent injustice is everywhere!!! FREE WILOLA!!! This could be your best post ever on this board. I'd like to invite Bugcot... I mean Bigcat http://rockysbar.net actually 3703 Gulf Beach Hwy, 32507. I'll even buy him / her a drink.
DC Tom Posted August 16, 2012 Posted August 16, 2012 I'd like to invite Bugcot... I mean Bigcat http://rockysbar.net actually 3703 Gulf Beach Hwy, 32507. I'll even buy him / her a drink. I suspect he's a decent sort...if occasionally a blockhead. I'd hang with him. Hell, I'd probably enjoy his company more than I enjoy my own. Not that that says much...
drnykterstein Posted August 16, 2012 Posted August 16, 2012 http://www.sodahead....postId=91259995 Now come on, someone tell me he is not a socialist. I bet you would be very prosperous on your own in Somalia. You should do that. You obviously have no need to share the United States of America with me. No sharing, you go get your own country and prosper on your own.
IDBillzFan Posted August 16, 2012 Posted August 16, 2012 I'd like to invite Bugcot... I mean Bigcat http://rockysbar.net actually 3703 Gulf Beach Hwy, 32507. I'll even buy him / her a drink. I took the time to flip through the website and check out some photos and I have to admit that when I look at Pix Archive Photo #6, I find the thin line between nostalgia and fear.
The Big Cat Posted August 16, 2012 Posted August 16, 2012 I'd like to invite Bugcot... I mean Bigcat http://rockysbar.net actually 3703 Gulf Beach Hwy, 32507. I'll even buy him / her a drink. Sounds good. I suspect he's a decent sort...if occasionally a blockhead. I'd hang with him. Hell, I'd probably enjoy his company more than I enjoy my own. Not that that says much...
CosmicBills Posted August 16, 2012 Posted August 16, 2012 Don't worry Greg, I'm not trying to beat up on you. I too have an interest in the subject. My concern is "overcorrection" as you put it. I just stumbled across a prime example just now. http://news.cincinna...S0107/308150032 In this case 6 black kids jumped a white guy because they were bored. By their own admission he'd done nothing to provoke the attack. However, this is what the cop had to say: When was the last time the racial element was immediately dismissed in a similar situation when the shoe was on the other foot? I don't like the idea of a black guy getting the shaft on account of race. By the same token, I don't like the idea of white individuals having to suffer at the hands of those who see us not as individuals but as separate racial groups (teams, if you will) and see some sort of cosmic justice in telling young white people today that it's their turn to suffer because other white people who aren't them did something wrong. Totally agree. Overcorrection is a real concern and more often than not promotes more hate rather than solving the situation. To me, it's why the notion of "hate crimes" is so dangerous. You can't legislate what's in a person's head -- even in the interest of protecting the minority. The example you cite here is the perfect reason why it's so dangerous. The thing that fascinates me from a distance is that people one on one are reasonable. By and large I have found that most people are not only able to overcome their preconcieved biases but want to overcome them. Hell, maybe even Dave in Elmira if you asked him off this board. Yet, if you put that same person in a group and turn up the noise and name a scapegoat, suddenly the individuals in that group fall into lockstep against the percieved threat. I've done it myself. Our natural impulse as a species is to view differnt as threatening.
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