IDBillzFan Posted August 19, 2012 Posted August 19, 2012 I'm always baffled by this spurious characterizations of the Tea Party. There is nothing baffling here. The left, including the media, was caught flat-footed by the strength and power of the Tea Party and panicked. So what did they do? They started counting all the white people and refering to the lack of blacks and suggesting this was just the KKK. Then the media started manipulating stories, going all in on lies about black congressmen being spit on and white supremacists carrying guns at rallies (wait! that guy was black? who knew?) and the beat was on to address the Tea Party the only way a bunch of progressive flat-footed dolts know how...but demonizing them. You know the big progressive meme this weekend? The percentage of white people at The Villages. Then you have something like the National Journal which, after weeks of writing about Romney taxes and Bain, runs an article today suggesting "With so many important issues to discuss, the GOP hit the Sunday talk shows about the idiot that is Joe Biden." Oh. NOW they left wants to discuss issues. Still flat-footed, I see.
Bigfatbillsfan Posted August 20, 2012 Posted August 20, 2012 More or less what the Founding Fathers did. Yes it is what the founding fathers of our nation did. However, within ten years the nation was almost a failure and they had to come together again to write a new constitution. One with a more powerful central government.
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 20, 2012 Posted August 20, 2012 (edited) Yes it is what the founding fathers of our nation did. However, within ten years the nation was almost a failure and they had to come together again to write a new constitution. One with a more powerful central government. That's a popular truthiness bandied about by statists. The only reason the Articles of Confederation were scrapped was that a handful of the States refused to obligate themselves to the war debt and the Hamiltonian mercantilist principals that accompanied it. This would have left the debt burden privately held by the individual members of the senate and house; Washington, who was the young nation's wealthiest land owner, chief among them. Edited August 20, 2012 by TakeYouToTasker
Nanker Posted August 20, 2012 Posted August 20, 2012 As long as you are saying they can't attack the tea party with mischaracterizations, I am fine with that. If you are saying that the tea party is above anyone else and should be untouchable, I have a problem with that. They can protest anything they want, but are subject to protests against themselves. I don't really like either of them, but I don't see the point of that invented imagery Do you see the point when the media invents imagery?
CosmicBills Posted August 20, 2012 Posted August 20, 2012 (edited) As to the first part, I don't think he was saying that anyone who disagrees with the TEA party is divisive; I think he was referring to those who trash and label the TEA party rather than addressing their issues. As to the part about "sewer" politics, I honestly don't know what you're referring to. All the TEA baggers I know are middle-aged or older people, who are mild-mannered decent people who are concerned with the growth of government. I'm not sure what gutter politics they've engaged in. I honestly don't see how anyone with a shred of objectivity can claim the pettiness and negativity is symmetrical on both sides of this campaign, but I'm open to new info. Your point is fair. By sewer politics I meant the entirty of our current political discourse, not just the Tea Party. The Democrats are just as bad, ditto with the GOP. The advancement of social media, the seemingly diminished attention span of the general public, and the proliferation of vitriolic cable news have all lowered the bar in terms of what constitutes a "rational" discussion of the issues. You can't offer a counter point to someone's opinion/view/platform without being labeled as whatever the buzzword of the month is for that side (racist, liberal, conservative, socialist, 1%, 99% etc). I read OC's post lauding the Tea Party as being a party of change -- but I just see more of the same from their party and their canditates. Of course, this is my view from the outside. I'm always open to new information. Edited August 20, 2012 by tgreg99
OCinBuffalo Posted August 22, 2012 Posted August 22, 2012 So... the Tea Party is inclusive but if you oppose their political views you are the one being divisive? Is that what I wrote Mr. Strawman? No, it isn't....which makes most of the rest of this a waste of time. As a writer of English, you KNOW, what the words I wrote individually, and taken together, mean. The only question that remains: are you going to be honest with us, yourself...or are you going to continue this patently retarded, "make up a premise and argue against it" approach? Or, should we start questioning your command of the English language? Hey...it's not like it's the first time with you on this. How does that solve the cycle of political divisiveness that you're saying the Tea Party is above? How does that foster honest dicussion from countering viewpoints? Doesn't it instead just insulate your party from the outside world limit the opportunity to strengthen or even enhance the party's platform? Not to mention forces the other side to write the party off as being as exclusionary as they paint the Democrats to be? Look. I hear what you're saying and on paper it all sounds great. But it's not reality. The Tea Party -- no matter how noble their intentions might be, I'm not trying to pass judgement on their platform -- have been fighting tooth and nail in every election. They've played just as dirty as the other side because that's politics today. The public's ever shortening attention span demand a shock to the system to get them to pay attention which in turn has spiraled us all down the rabbit hole. So far the Tea Party have done nothing to help guide their constituents out of the sewer where our political discourse currenty resides. Instead it's just the same sh*t wrapped in a different box. Your post here points that out in high definition. You have it exactly wrong. What a shocker. The TEA party has done NOTHING....to further your party's deride and divide approach. They have ignored the petty and personal attacks, for the msot part. That's because the TEA party is a 100% substantive organization. You aren't born into the TEA party, nor do you gain/are forced into membership because of your job. Your ignorance of what and who they truly are, is showing once again, as the ONLY thing that binds these people together IS substance. Many of these people have very little in common, and more than a few would probably have little to do with each other were it not for the substance. The TEA party has not even acknowledged your Hollywood pals' "racist", "violent" etc. attacks. My understanding is that it just didn't seem worthy of a response. Hell, I've said more about it here, than they have. How is that not insisting that the discourse be elevated? Show me 1 personal attack emanating from the TEA party. You WILL NOT find any. Show me 1 TEA party argument that is not logical, substantive and fact-based. You won't find any of those either.
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