Dorkington Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 Also remember when you were in your early 20s. Don't act you weren't piss drunk, yelling and swearing trying to sneak drags of a smoke inbetween plays. And if you say that you never did that. You, my friend, are a liar. The is nothing worse then a liar... well maybe a pats fan. I wasn't. But then again, I didn't grow up in Buffalo (I'm not saying that as an insult, just culture differences), so maybe that's why?
Offside Number 76 Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 Here we go again: Pro football stadiums are not for children. Neither are rock concerts. Kids like football; kids like music. But neither is an environment for children. Some places are meant for grownups to blow off steam and have fun. Deal. (And no, I do not get drunk at games, but I don't want to have to watch myself around your five-year-old, either.)
Meathead Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 The urinating experience I spoke of was a regular season game. It doesn't get much worse than idiots urinating whenever & wherever they get the urge...even if there's small children in the line of fire. was it at least a hot day outside?
Dorkington Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 I went to a Bills v Chargers game in San Diego, wore Bills gear, and it was a very pleasant experience. I wouldn't universally say that "football is not for kids", I think it varies from area to area.
LabattBlue Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 (edited) Also remember when you were in your early 20s. Don't act you weren't piss drunk, yelling and swearing trying to sneak drags of a smoke inbetween plays. And if you say that you never did that. You, my friend, are a liar. The is nothing worse then a liar... well maybe a pats fan. The problem at RWS is not limited to adults in their early 20's. On a somewhat related note, I've been to 7 or 8 different NFL stadiums to see the Bills play, and the experience for opposing fans at RWS is by far the worst I've seen. It all revolves around the excessive tailgating, and people getting liquored up before they ever enter the stadium. PS While I enjoy a few beverages of choice before the game, I have never been "piss drunk" at RWS, and my visits go back to the stadium opening. I am pretty sure I am in the majority and not the minority in that regard. Edited August 10, 2012 by LabattBlue
eball Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 Remember about 15 years ago when Vegas tried to bill itself as a "family destination?" Yeah, that didn't work either.
apuszczalowski Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 Also remember when you were in your early 20s. Don't act you weren't piss drunk, yelling and swearing trying to sneak drags of a smoke inbetween plays. And if you say that you never did that. You, my friend, are a liar. The is nothing worse then a liar... well maybe a pats fan. Speak for yourself, not everyone was a D-Bag 20 year old...... Here we go again: Pro football stadiums are not for children. Neither are rock concerts. Kids like football; kids like music. But neither is an environment for children. Some places are meant for grownups to blow off steam and have fun. Deal. (And no, I do not get drunk at games, but I don't want to have to watch myself around your five-year-old, either.) I always loved this justification, that attending a sporting event is not for children Sad thing is, the Children are almost always alot more well behaved then the majority of the adults that attend these games
MDH Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 That's Canada. Much nicer people up there. Sorry but it's true. It's baseball actually. MLB stadiums are just more pleasant places to be. I've taken my 8 year old son to Phillies games for years. Yes, Philadelphia, PA - the place with the worst fan reputation around. I've never had a single bad experiences in the 10+ games I've taken him. No crazy drunk people. No macho fight starting. I've heard a few bits of bad language but this is almost immediately followed by someone in the person's party saying, "hey, watch it, there's a kid."
apuszczalowski Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 The problem at RWS is not limited to adults in their early 20's. On a somewhat related note, I've been to 7 or 8 different NFL stadiums to see the Bills play, and the experience for opposing fans at RWS is by far the worst I've seen. It all revolves around the excessive tailgating, and people getting liquored up before they ever enter the stadium. Thats about right, and its one of the reasons why the teams and the league are trying to crack down on the tailgating that goes on, and why one day, probably in the near future, we will probably see an end to the "tailgating experience" as we currently know it. I never understood why anyone would want to spend the kind of money the teams charge for tickets, to go out and get so drunk in the parking lot that they may not even be able to get in, and if they do, be willing to continue to over drink on more overpriced beer to the point where they can't even pay attention to the game or remember any of it the next day
Captain Hindsight Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 Speak for yourself, not everyone was a D-Bag 20 year old...... I always loved this justification, that attending a sporting event is not for children Sad thing is, the Children are almost always alot more well behaved then the majority of the adults that attend these games Thats true. Sadly in the world we live in, a summer night at a Bills game with 5 $ tickets, your going to get some idiots that think they are cool because mom and dad arent around. I'm not saying its right, but people need to be aware of that.
MDH Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 I went to a Bills v Chargers game in San Diego, wore Bills gear, and it was a very pleasant experience. I wouldn't universally say that "football is not for kids", I think it varies from area to area. I've done this a handfull of times at the Medowlands - and while I got some ribbing I have never experienced what I've seen at RWS there either. Hell, I've had more people try to pick fights with me at RWS while wearing a Bills jersey than I have while at Giants stadium watching Bills/Jets games... That's pathetic.
apuszczalowski Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 It's baseball actually. MLB stadiums are just more pleasant places to be. I've taken my 8 year old son to Phillies games for years. Yes, Philadelphia, PA - the place with the worst fan reputation around. I've never had a single bad experiences in the 10+ games I've taken him. No crazy drunk people. No macho fight starting. I've heard a few bits of bad language but this is almost immediately followed by someone in the person's party saying, "hey, watch it, there's a kid." Its the football crowds, and usually thats because football is the one sport where tailgating is considered "part of the experience" Hockey and baseball crowds drink at the games, very rarely do you see guys tailgating at these events. At Baseball games, the closest thing you get to tailgating is the crowd standing around the Hot Dog carts outside the stadium. The swearing and language you will always get anywhere you go, most of the time directed at the Ref/Ump, then at opposing teams star players
billsfanmiami(oh) Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 I think when attending an NFL game you should fully expect to hear foul language and lots of it. Also expect to see plenty of drunks that may be acting loud and obnoxious, but really aren't "hurting" anyone. I was brought to both Bills and Sabres games as a child with the understanding that I would see these things but that it is not ok. I can only think of maybe a time or two when my dad had to ask some really drunk people to chill a bit on the f bombs (literally every other word) and it was at the old Aud. I'd say generally speaking, that kind of stuff will not change so just deal with it or stay home. Where I draw the line is when you have people pissing and or puking in the stands and or on others. I have been plenty drunk at Bills games, even to the point of being pretty much "blacked out". Not necessarily proud of it but it's happened. Even those times I never was remotely close to vomiting on anyone or urinating anywhere other than the bathroom (or maybe the woods outside the stadium). That kind of behavior is totally unacceptable and is what needs to be eliminated from the game day experience. I'd have to agree with the suggestion to use the txt line, as I've seen it used a couple times in my section and it seems to be pretty effective. Like others have said I think a preseason game actually leads to more of the really foul behavior than a regular season game even though it seems like it shouldn't. Lots of younger fans that still might be out of school but old enough to go to a game on their own and get someone to supply their tailgate with booze. Tickets are practically free and for the most part nobody cares about the game after a couple series. There's even less incentive to get "into" the game. It's like an amped up version of recent late season home games when the Bills have been out of the playoff hunt except with some nice weather thrown in. Kind of a recipe for trouble if you ask me. NFL games generally are not really family friendly. I've been to other cities for games and while maybe somewhat more tame than the Ralph, I wouldn't say the places were light years ahead or anything. Expect some swearing and drunks, and maybe even a fight or two. Hell you can't go out to a bar half the time without seeing a fight let alone a giant bar with 75k people in it! People who are falling down, passing out, puking, pissing, yeah get rid of em. That kind of stuff shouldn't be chalked up as just part of the experience, IMO.
LabattBlue Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 (edited) Thats true. Sadly in the world we live in, a summer night at a Bills game with 5 $ tickets, your going to get some idiots that think they are cool because mom and dad arent around. I'm not saying its right, but people need to be aware of that. Whats the excuse for the same boorish behavior during the regular season when tickets are NOT available for $5 each? Edited August 10, 2012 by LabattBlue
The Rev.Mattb74 ESQ. Posted August 10, 2012 Author Posted August 10, 2012 (edited) I totally agree, a person stature as a human is marked upon how he acts to those around him. I am expecting personal responsibilty to show who they are in all areas of life. I feel as a person aproaching 40, that I have the fortitude to enjoy myself without making those around me not be uncomfortable. When I was younger I knew enough not to be someone my mother would be embarrased by. Maybe the Army taught me that, maybe my upbringing. I partied hard, but not at the expense of others. Edited August 10, 2012 by The Rev.Mattb74 ESQ.
apuszczalowski Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 I've done this a handfull of times at the Medowlands - and while I got some ribbing I have never experienced what I've seen at RWS there either. Hell, I've had more people try to pick fights with me at RWS while wearing a Bills jersey than I have while at Giants stadium watching Bills/Jets games... That's pathetic. I have watched people have beer thrown at them, food, and drunks wanting to fight fans of other teams at RWS at almost every game I have been to there. Sometimes the other fans deserved a bit of it because they were being obnoxious to everyone around them, but most times it was just because they weren't in Bills gear. The worst had to be when i went to the Saints/Bills game a couple seasons ago with some friends. One of my friends is a Cowgirls fan and he wore his Terell Owens jersey to the game (this was the year Owens played here) and he figured he should be fine because Owens was a Bill. While in the parking lot BBQing, 2 young drunk guys were stubbling around through the isles and one of them tried to pick a fight just because he had on a cowgirls jersey. The guy had to be held back by his friend while being told "Its OK, Its an Owens Jersey, he plays here now". The 2 guys continued to move on through the lot stumbling while wrestling each other and throwing each other onto parked cars.
thebandit27 Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 Also remember when you were in your early 20s. Don't act you weren't piss drunk, yelling and swearing trying to sneak drags of a smoke inbetween plays. And if you say that you never did that. You, my friend, are a liar. The is nothing worse then a liar... well maybe a pats fan. I never did those things in the stands. I did them in my 20's, for sure, but it was at home, or in a bar. Never in the stands...ever...seriously.
apuszczalowski Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 I went to a Pre-Season game in Chicago (Bears-Cardinals, Matt leinarts first game I believe), and sat in some of the cheapest seats in the stadium (were were just below the lights at the very top of Soldier field, endzone corner basically) and I can't remember seeing people who were heavily intoxicated compared to RWS. even while leaving the stadium and walking around before and after, no one was stumbling or appeared drunk
Captain Hindsight Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 Whats the excuse for the same boorish behavior during the regular season when tickets are NOT available for $5 each? I'm not going to try to make excuses for people that act that way. Im 24 I go to games and have a few drinks and I may yell at the ref a time or two. But when I see a kid, I shut off the language, I try to involve the kid, give him high fives and stuff. I understand its a game and I go because I love the experience. Not everyone has the same mindset and believes its an excuse to get wasted like the good ole days. Personally if I'm dropping that much coin, I want to remember the game, but I can't speak for everyone
JÂy RÛßeÒ Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 (edited) While preseason games are good to bring kids to because you don't care if you have to leave early etc, unfortunately they are also bad because people who don't normally go to games are able to attend and many of them do not embrace the Bills Fan Code of Conduct. There are many empty seats so people move around. They are also at night, so those who are so inclined have all day to get plowed. I could not believe that there were fights and others escorted out for drunkenness etc. It is amusing listening to parents trying to explain the game/rules to young kids. The Kids Day game is a much more friendly atmosphere, and better attended meaning less chance for people to move around. However, the main goal of many of the kids is to do something "wacky" to get themselves on the Jumbotron which in itself is irritating. Edited August 10, 2012 by JÂy RÛßeÒ
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