K John Potter

[paintmyhouse]

So what, the Fitz bashings threads have started to run their course so we're moving on to Lindell?

You guys must really like losing if you think it is bad to bring competition in for a team that has not made the playoffs in years.

[DukeyBomb]

A rookie PK has hit some FGs in a practice setting and he has "completely outperformed" Lindell? That's a good one.

 

He hasn't? I'm asking "IF he completely out performs him in camp, which he has so far..." Should I have added "So far" for you to understand what I was saying? Or do you want to read some more in to it first?

 

Well it means that we're doing the typical Bills fan thing where everybody who is on the team sucks and anyone else is better. Potter has never even kicked on an NFL game before and people want to replace Lindell with him because of 1 kick in training camp. Lindell is a good NFL kicker, cherry picking missed kicks from over the years doesn't make him bad. Every kicker is going to miss some. There are guys who are better than him and there are a lot who are worse.

And it's not to say Potter can't eventually replace him someday, but to give him Lindell's job based on nothing but training camp and the preseason seems like a bad idea. Let him be the kickoff guy and try a few kicks in games that are out of hand. But I'm not ready and it doesn't look like Gailey wants to trust a rookie full time.

 

I disagree. I believe a Kicker is probably one of the easier battles you can decipher between who is better or not. Lots of guys are going to lose their jobs during these pre-season games and camp. So should we keep Isiah Green on the roster because he hasn't played in a real NFL game yet?

 

He has ? How do you know ?

Also, FG kicking is so much more than just having a big leg. But you already knew that.

 

EDIT: eball beat me to it

 

I don't know what you are talking about please inform me...? You need a leg.. maybe a shoe and some socks? What else? Some accuracy maybe? Yeah that's one for sure. I don't care. If the guy is nailing his kicks that is all that matters. If he nails his kicks in camp, pre-season I don't care. He's making the same kicks Lindell isn't. That's what matters.

[biglukes]

He hasn't? I'm asking "IF he completely out performs him in camp, which he has so far..." Should I have added "So far" for you to understand what I was saying? Or do you want to read some more in to it first?

 

 

 

I disagree. I believe a Kicker is probably one of the easier battles you can decipher between who is better or not. Lots of guys are going to lose their jobs during these pre-season games and camp. So should we keep Isiah Green on the roster because he hasn't played in a real NFL game yet?

 

 

 

I don't know what you are talking about please inform me...? You need a leg.. maybe a shoe and some socks? What else? Some accuracy maybe? Yeah that's one for sure. I don't care. If the guy is nailing his kicks that is all that matters. If he nails his kicks in camp, pre-season I don't care. He's making the same kicks Lindell isn't. That's what matters.

You can't compare a guy who would probably be a healthy scratch most of the time or special reamer at best to kicker where there is on guy and that's it. Backups at a lot of positions can play their way onto to roster in a few different ways. You trot out your kicker and you damn well better trust him. There's no easing into action at that position, unless it's the scenario I mentioned in the earlier post. And there has been no indication Potter is outplaying Lindell in camp. All the report was is that he made a long one that Lindell barely put wide.

[Optometric Insight]

The winds aren't windy every game at the Ralph. And again, I know it's early in camp but it's not like Lindell is kicking field goals at the Ralph right now and Potter at SJFC. The competition is even right now. They both have the same conditions and it's on an even playing field. So if Potter out performs Lindell on an even playing field, you should take the most accurate of the two. Lindell is not that good.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize that the games were played at St John's.

[DukeyBomb]

You can't compare a guy who would probably be a healthy scratch most of the time or special reamer at best to kicker where there is on guy and that's it. Backups at a lot of positions can play their way onto to roster in a few different ways. You trot out your kicker and you damn well better trust him. There's no easing into action at that position, unless it's the scenario I mentioned in the earlier post. And there has been no indication Potter is outplaying Lindell in camp. All the report was is that he made a long one that Lindell barely put wide.

 

I mean to say, "Should we discount a guy like Isiah Green because he hasn't played one down in a real game yet?" The point I am trying to make is that players make the roster all the time in different manners. You still give the job to the best guy period. Donald Jones and David Nelson both made the rosters in huge ways for our offense. If Lindell is being out performed by Potter the whole camp I don't think it's out of the question for the Bills to get rid of Lindell. It's not worth cutting another talented player that could help more so if Potter can do everything Lindell can do.

 

I'm sorry, I didn't realize that the games were played at St John's.

 

They aren't obviously smarta$$. If Potter is hitting field goals at a easier place and Lindell is missing them. Who's the better kicker?

[CBD]

I'm sorry, I didn't realize that the games were played at St John's.

Camp isn't at St. Johns either.

 

I think it's a valid point. If Potter proves to be accurate enough from 50+, something we know Lindell can't do, and proves to be about as accurate as Lindell in close to medium range I see no reason to waste a roster spot on 2 kickers. Obviously it's too early to make that call now and I think the OP realizes that so I'm not sure why all the venom. Both Lindell and Potter have 4 preseason games to kick in the swirling winds at the Ralph and with 300# men rushing the kick. So it'll shake out by cut down day.

Edited August 1, 2012 by Carey Bender

[eball]

You guys must really like losing if you think it is bad to bring competition in for a team that has not made the playoffs in years.

You bring competition in at positions that NEED IMPROVEMENT. Lindell is a career 83% kicker with the Bills and was 13/15 last season (including 5/6 from beyond 40) before he was hurt.

 

Potter was not drafted to compete with Lindell. He was drafted to be looked at as a KO specialist, and perhaps groomed as Lindell's eventual replacement. I'm thrilled he can put a 59-yard attempt through the middle of the uprights with no rush and no game pressure.

 

You guys are brilliant.

[paintmyhouse]

You bring competition in at positions that NEED IMPROVEMENT. Lindell is a career 83% kicker with the Bills and was 13/15 last season (including 5/6 from beyond 40) before he was hurt.

 

Potter was not drafted to compete with Lindell. He was drafted to be looked at as a KO specialist, and perhaps groomed as Lindell's eventual replacement. I'm thrilled he can put a 59-yard attempt through the middle of the uprights with no rush and no game pressure.

 

You guys are brilliant.

THere is also a salary cap. If he can do the job for 1/6 of the price, why wouldn't you want that? Means you can have better depth at other positions that the Bills never seem to have.

[You herd it hear last]

So who would you want to see in a replay of the SB 25 kick, Potter or Lindell? It just may come down to that.

[DukeyBomb]

So who would you want to see in a replay of the SB 25 kick, Potter or Lindell? It just may come down to that.

 

That's not fair on so many levels. First we all know we don't know enough about Potter's accuracy. But if the field goal was past 50 yards I can already say Potter with out question and that's sad on Lindell's part.

[You herd it hear last]

That's not fair on so many levels. First we all know we don't know enough about Potter's accuracy. But if the field goal was past 50 yards I can already say Potter with out question and that's sad on Lindell's part.

It was more rhetorical to demonstrate the difficulty of the decision (along with roster spot concerns) and its' possible consequences, that the coaches will have to make.

[eball]

THere is also a salary cap. If he can do the job for 1/6 of the price, why wouldn't you want that? Means you can have better depth at other positions that the Bills never seem to have.

As has been stated repeatedly, the Bills are not in salary cap trouble -- not even close. Ask any NFL head coach with a team that has playoff aspirations if he'd rather have a tried-and-true veteran kicker or a "strong legged rookie with promise."

 

This whole thread is just silly. The ONLY valid point being made is that it might be a very difficult decision to carry two kickers rather than keeping another depth player. If it comes to that, Potter will go to the PS.

[Simon]

That's not fair on so many levels. First we all know we don't know enough about Potter's accuracy. But if the field goal was past 50 yards I can already say Potter with out question and that's sad on Lindell's part.

 

Lindell is 6'3, 230# with a career percentage of 55% on FGs of over 50 yards.

He's also shown s a unique ability to drop KO's on the goalline outside the hashes, which is a very useful talent in the current NFL.

[Mike32282]

Look what I started!

 

I gotta admit, Im excited seeing a young kicker like Potter out there making the long kicks. But Im also a little nervous to hand him the reigns. Im starting to think it could be like his grooming year. They keep Lindell and Potter. Potter becomes the kickoff specialist and kicks the long field goals too. Once he gets comfortable kicking in the Ralph and in the NFL, after watching and learning from Lindell, the Bills then cut Lindell in 2013 and Potter is the new starting kicker.

[Chilly]

You bring competition in at positions that NEED IMPROVEMENT. Lindell is a career 83% kicker with the Bills and was 13/15 last season (including 5/6 from beyond 40) before he was hurt.

 

Potter was not drafted to compete with Lindell. He was drafted to be looked at as a KO specialist, and perhaps groomed as Lindell's eventual replacement. I'm thrilled he can put a 59-yard attempt through the middle of the uprights with no rush and no game pressure.

 

You guys are brilliant.

 

Is this why Buddy Nix on Sirius NFL Radio's training camp tour yesterday said the goal is for competition at every position?

Edited August 1, 2012 by BlueFire

[5 Wide]

Potter outperforming Lindell? I was at practice on Saturday and while potter certainly has the stronger leg, lindell was the more accurate of the two on the day I was there.

[DukeyBomb]

Look what I started!

 

I gotta admit, Im excited seeing a young kicker like Potter out there making the long kicks. But Im also a little nervous to hand him the reigns. Im starting to think it could be like his grooming year. They keep Lindell and Potter. Potter becomes the kickoff specialist and kicks the long field goals too. Once he gets comfortable kicking in the Ralph and in the NFL, after watching and learning from Lindell, the Bills then cut Lindell in 2013 and Potter is the new starting kicker.

 

Thanks for the information on Potter. Keep us updated with how well those guys are doing. I don't think Lindell's spot on this roster is as cut and dry like most think. Just my opinion. But one thing for sure is Potter makes the roster for kick offs - eBALL - HE won't be on stashed on the PS. At least I believe those are the sentiments Nix gave off.

 

Tell us. Who was the more accurate kicker in Training Camp Practice #5 too Mikey??

[mountainwampus]

I only want to know who's better at hitting a FG from 47 yards, on natural grass, in a Super Bowl.

[paintmyhouse]

If a good team like the Patriots can draft a kicker and be confident that even though they consistently have a Super Bowl caliber team and let their Super Bowl winning kicker leave like they did a few years and keep a rookie kicker, certainly the Bills can have this happen.

Edited August 1, 2012 by paintmyhouse

[eball]

Is this why Buddy Nix on Sirius NFL Radio's training camp tour yesterday said the goal is for competition at every position?

Come on, man. They just re-signed Lindell this offseason. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and presume you're just not thinking this through.