Mark Vader Posted July 31, 2012 Posted July 31, 2012 (edited) Stephon Gilmore looking good. Just saying... Edited July 31, 2012 by Mark Vader
DukeyBomb Posted July 31, 2012 Author Posted July 31, 2012 Ok. Don't care, GTFO. It's not you guys who I'm trying to appease then. The point of this is... They are both good players in camp. That's the point. I was just saying... Some folks don't mind hearing this.
Simon Posted July 31, 2012 Posted July 31, 2012 FWIW..... If Keuchly had been available, the Bills would have sprinted to the podium to draft him quicker than they did with Spiller.
thebandit27 Posted July 31, 2012 Posted July 31, 2012 FWIW..... If Keuchly had been available, the Bills would have sprinted to the podium to draft him quicker than they did with Spiller. Two things come to mind: 1) You don't know this to be true 2) They did sprint to the podium for Gilmore; just as they did with Spiller and Dareus.
DrDawkinstein Posted July 31, 2012 Posted July 31, 2012 Two things come to mind: 1) You don't know this to be true 2) They did sprint to the podium for Gilmore; just as they did with Spiller and Dareus. Agreed. One can make an argument they would have picked Gilmore over Kuechly if both were available.
Simon Posted July 31, 2012 Posted July 31, 2012 1) You don't know this to be true Actually, I do. Agreed. One can make an argument they would have picked Gilmore over Kuechly if both were available. One can indeed make that argument. But they would be categorically wrong.
DrDawkinstein Posted July 31, 2012 Posted July 31, 2012 Actually, I do. One can indeed make that argument. But they would be categorically wrong. Prove it
rstencel Posted July 31, 2012 Posted July 31, 2012 I was one of the ones super high on him for this team. Not sure how he will do in Carolina this year, as is type that needs protection from DT's in front of him to play his best, and Carolina's interior line isnt great or deep at all. Draft is done however, and we have who we are going to get, and early indications are looking very good.
shoretalk Posted July 31, 2012 Posted July 31, 2012 Luke Kuechly sounds like he is having him self a very good off-season so far. I feel very confident if we hadn't selected Gilmore and instead drafted Kuechly, we would still have our selves one heck of a football player. I am rooting for the kid. I was secretly hoping for him. Him or Gilmore. Either way, I thought it would be something interesting to bring up. Decent stuff. The article also explains in detail some of the plays he has been making in camp. http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/panthers_kuechly_ahead_of_the_curve/11328826 This is one post that makes no sense ... he was gone ... we had no shot at him ... he is playing for another team and everything pre-draft indicated he'd be a good player but he is not a Buffalo Bill. And, for those with inside information ... good for you! We might have drafted Kuechly but we have ourselves a gem in Gilmore! He's the Bill and his success matters to the team I am a fan of not the play of Kuechly. And, it's not like us passing up Tom Brady because we never had a shot at him ...
Alphadawg7 Posted July 31, 2012 Posted July 31, 2012 who cares....i was secretly hoping that andrew luck fell to us...just sayin This ^^^^ Hey I heard that Cam Newton guy is pretty good too...too bad we didnt draft him...oh wait, it wasnt an option just like this guy wasnt an option.
rstencel Posted July 31, 2012 Posted July 31, 2012 5 years ago I would have agreed with you. Not today with wide open passing offenses Actually could argue it both ways because there are not allot of great 2 way LB's, and if can get one, makes you base defense allot stronger. Especially with teams like NE starting to use multiple TE's and doing things to force you to commit to either stopping run or pass with defensive personnel. Having LB's that are good against the run and pass makes a huge difference in how you can play a team like that.
Simon Posted July 31, 2012 Posted July 31, 2012 This is one post that makes no sense ... he was gone ... we had no shot at him ... he is playing for another team and everything pre-draft indicated he'd be a good player but he is not a Buffalo Bill. And, for those with inside information ... good for you! We might have drafted Kuechly but we have ourselves a gem in Gilmore! He's the Bill and his success matters to the team I am a fan of not the play of Kuechly. And, it's not like us passing up Tom Brady because we never had a shot at him ... Considering how much Keuchly was talked about on this board before the draft, I don't see why his progression can't be a legitimate point of discussion. When you also consider that he was at the top of the Bills wish list, it also merits a backcheck on whether they were accurate in having him pegged that high nor not. Who else are we not allowed to talk about? Anybody that was ever drafted before the Bills first pick?
DukeyBomb Posted July 31, 2012 Author Posted July 31, 2012 (edited) Considering how much Keuchly was talked about on this board before the draft, I don't see why his progression can't be a legitimate point of discussion. When you also consider that he was at the top of the Bills wish list, it also merits a backcheck on whether they were accurate in having him pegged that high nor not. Who else are we not allowed to talk about? Anybody that was ever drafted before the Bills first pick? +1 Exactly How many Patrick Willis threads did we have up after the Marshawn Lynch pick? lol. Nobody should be arguing the merit of this thread on an open forum unless you are just on to cry. It's something to discuss. If it hurts your feelings don't say anything. Seriously it's that simple lol. Edited July 31, 2012 by DukeyBomb
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted July 31, 2012 Posted July 31, 2012 Really, I think our CB was more important to fix. Now, please hold off on your flames for a moment and hear me out. The NFL is moving to a passing league. We ourselves showed this by moving to the spread offense, which is becoming more popular. Last season half of the time we were in the nickel, which means pulling one of our LB for a CB (or playing Bryan Scott). Furthermore, the most obvious way to beat our new and improved pass rush (which so far has looked awesome!) are quick short routes which require the CBs to play tight coverage. McGee may or may not be cut. McKelvin is fighting bust status. Florence kept getting beat and was cut. Williams is only in his second year. Meanwhile, we at least have a very solid LB in Barnett and promise in Shep. Even calling them a wash in talent, we needed to fill CB more.
zevo Posted July 31, 2012 Posted July 31, 2012 Mark Barron sounds like he is having him self a very good off-season so far. I feel very confident if we hadn't selected Gilmore and instead drafted Mark Barron, we would still have our selves one heck of a football player. I am rooting for the kid. I was secretly hoping for him. Him or Gilmore. Either way, I thought it would be something interesting to bring up. Andrew Luck sounds like he is having him self a very good off-season so far. I feel very confident if we hadn't selected Gilmore and instead drafted Andrew Luck, we would still have our selves one heck of a football player. I am rooting for the kid. I was secretly hoping for him. Him or Gilmore. Either way, I thought it would be something interesting to bring up.
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted July 31, 2012 Posted July 31, 2012 Mark Barron sounds like he is having him self a very good off-season so far. I feel very confident if we hadn't selected Gilmore and instead drafted Mark Barron, we would still have our selves one heck of a football player. I am rooting for the kid. I was secretly hoping for him. Him or Gilmore. Either way, I thought it would be something interesting to bring up. Andrew Luck sounds like he is having him self a very good off-season so far. I feel very confident if we hadn't selected Gilmore and instead drafted Andrew Luck, we would still have our selves one heck of a football player. I am rooting for the kid. I was secretly hoping for him. Him or Gilmore. Either way, I thought it would be something interesting to bring up. +1 Point made.
Fan in Chicago Posted July 31, 2012 Posted July 31, 2012 Considering how much Keuchly was talked about on this board before the draft, I don't see why his progression can't be a legitimate point of discussion. When you also consider that he was at the top of the Bills wish list, it also merits a backcheck on whether they were accurate in having him pegged that high nor not. True enough. Between the rumors, whispers, nevergiveup and you, I gather that the Bills had Barron, Kuechly and Gilmore rated high. And in the previous draft, they would have been happy with Newton, Von Miller and Dareus. So, it will be interesting to watch their careers. To a certain extent, the team they land in, their coaching and other players determine success, but in general cream rises to the top. On the flip side, it will also be interesting to watch how the QBs we passed on in the last two drafts fare. I was of the opinion that we should have drafted one in the top 2 rounds in 2011 or 2012. The fact that we passed on a few implies that the FO had not pegged them high at our pick spot. Will be highly interesting to see if those were the right decisions.
K-9 Posted July 31, 2012 Posted July 31, 2012 True enough. Between the rumors, whispers, nevergiveup and you, I gather that the Bills had Barron, Kuechly and Gilmore rated high. And in the previous draft, they would have been happy with Newton, Von Miller and Dareus. So, it will be interesting to watch their careers. To a certain extent, the team they land in, their coaching and other players determine success, but in general cream rises to the top. On the flip side, it will also be interesting to watch how the QBs we passed on in the last two drafts fare. I was of the opinion that we should have drafted one in the top 2 rounds in 2011 or 2012. The fact that we passed on a few implies that the FO had not pegged them high at our pick spot. Will be highly interesting to see if those were the right decisions. It's ironic that the Panthers chose two of the players the Bills would have selected if they hadn't. As to the QB question, it's like Nix and Gailey have said, if there was a "10 or 15 year guy" there, they would have taken him. GO BILLS!!!
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