3rdand12 Posted July 28, 2012 Posted July 28, 2012 I am going to stand up by myself and say our Mr K. has a memorable season coming up. One he can finally tell the grankids about. instead of mumbling something about i played for the ahem buffalo ahem bills. who missed the playoffs ahem and stuff. Chan has just said that we have two starting defensive lines right now. So we have 8 quality players. and a couple that are better than that even. This bodes well for all of them. double team chipping nightmare. Chris is going to have his day as a rotational End because of this defense we are fielding this year. And did you guys notice? His arms in camp pics are ripped! I think he has been working out. But vindicated not yet. you are too early to make this call Eball.
The Senator Posted July 28, 2012 Posted July 28, 2012 I have always liked Kelsay - this will be his All Pro season... Â 19 and 0 baby!!!!!
vincec Posted July 28, 2012 Posted July 28, 2012 Kelsay has been a decent defensive lineman over the last few years, but I think that the belief that Kelsay is somehow a run stopping specialist is not founded on reality. The Bills had one of the worst run defenses in the NFL throughout his career and I regularly saw teams run against him. He's really just average against the run. Â There's no question in my mind that you will see teams start the season by testing the Bills run defense to see if they really are better and to slow down the pass rush. The majority of those runs will be towards the right side of the defense where Kelsay, Merriman and Anderson are all average run defenders. I hope that this group can come through. It's hard to unleash the pass rush on 2nd and 5 or 3rd and 1.
HOUSE Posted July 28, 2012 Posted July 28, 2012 (edited) I don't understand the sweat smell of vindication part ? Â W H A T ..... Edited July 28, 2012 by HOUSE
BillsVet Posted July 28, 2012 Posted July 28, 2012 Kelsay's strongest trait has always been his durability, but at 33 and having missed time last season, even that is in question entering his 10th NFL season. He's a good guy and probably an exemplary teammate, but personnel decisions often involve contracts. With Williams and Anderson on board and sure to get plenty of snaps, it'll be interesting what Kelsay's role becomes. He'll probably make the team, but he's not automatic either at this point in his career. Â Problem is, he won't be playing his natural position and DE's typically aren't paid big dollars to be a 2 down run stopper. A lot depends on how Mark Anderson is used at RDE and whether any of the younger types develop.
San-O Posted July 28, 2012 Posted July 28, 2012 Seriously? Can the mods just pin a "Kelsay is good" thread? Â Your obsession with making sure everyone knows Kelsay is good is bordering on psycho now. Try talking to a woman. Â Â + 1 Â Let it go. Kelsay is what he is: a warm body. Â If Kelsay gets more than a small limited number of snaps at RDE, offenses will just go at him and avoid Mario. Â Really, 2nd day of training camp and Kelsay is on the field: all is well at OBD!
Optometric Insight Posted July 28, 2012 Posted July 28, 2012 Kelsay has been a decent defensive lineman over the last few years, but I think that the belief that Kelsay is somehow a run stopping specialist is not founded on reality. The Bills had one of the worst run defenses in the NFL throughout his career and I regularly saw teams run against him. He's really just average against the run. Â There's no question in my mind that you will see teams start the season by testing the Bills run defense to see if they really are better and to slow down the pass rush. The majority of those runs will be towards the right side of the defense where Kelsay, Merriman and Anderson are all average run defenders. I hope that this group can come through. It's hard to unleash the pass rush on 2nd and 5 or 3rd and 1. It would be easy to counter this by just having the LBs shift to the right side of the defense. Just as long as they don't bite on the counter or cutback, it should work out well.
Pondslider Posted July 28, 2012 Posted July 28, 2012 and yet buddy himself said recently that kelsay will start early downs and anderson/merriman will play later/pass downs  the idea that wanny will 'start' anderson, who is a liability in run defense, is ridikilis. anderson has never ever been an early down starter. why would you do that when you have a legit starting containment de on your roster?     That might be true, and Kelsay could very well end up starting opposite Williams this year, but it doesn't change the fact that the article is wrong about who was on the starting defense on day one.
DC Tom Posted July 28, 2012 Posted July 28, 2012 Call me Pollyanna, homer, crusader, whatever. Suck it. Go Bills. Â Boo yah! Â Vindication's rather like flatulence: you may enjoy the smell of yours, but no one else does.
San Jose Bills Fan Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 Vindication's rather like flatulence: you may enjoy the smell of yours, but no one else does. LMFAO, Tom!!! Â Gonna have to steal that one! Â Â
Bufcomments Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 I'm ok with Kelsey now. I've worked past my hate of him. With better talent he's no longer asked to be our premium pass rusher and hebcan focus on what he does best. Be a very solid player. Â The only thing that scares me is that there is no way he is better than Merriman and probably not Anderson either. With him with the starting DL as the RDE and having Anderson on the sidelines makes me worry. I know Merriman is far from 100% but there should be no way he doesn't start if he's healthy. At least on passing downs. Â I just hope Buddy and Chan can remove him from the starting spot if the others show better play. I font want Jim starting just because of rhe "C" on his jersey and the effort. Effort doesn't mean good. It jus means he has to try harder to compete with these guys. Kelsey has more sacks than Merriman during Lights out time here so what you saying. Â Kelsey at this point is worth wayyy more to the team than the all the time hurt Merriman.
BEAST MODE BABY! Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 The backseat GMs can't see past their Xbox controllers. That's why you need an experienced talent evaluator like Buddy to make the baby. Â PTR Â Under the old regime, those backseat GM's looked pretty smart. Now Buddy is making them look dumb. And it's about time (we had a good GM).
Pirate Angel Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 His fan support directly reflects his on the field performance, he plays well against weaker teams and is ineffective against better competition. In half the games so see a very solid Chris Kelsey ( not counting him as a LB)...and he disappears most of the time against top teams ( When we need him to play well against the Pats its almost like he is not on the field). Finally he is going to be used as he should, A situational player and excellent Depth. As a full time starter I could take him or leave him but if Mario, Anderson, and Merriman are unable to preform at sometime in the season I am very happy to have Chris Kelsay on the roster.
billsfan89 Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 The backseat GMs can't see past their Xbox controllers. That's why you need an experienced talent evaluator like Buddy to make the baby. Â PTR Â Still I think that Kelsay was over paid by Nix. Now that was partly driven by that the Bills were converting a 4-3 DE into a 3-4 OLB and after Kelsay was unsuccessful in doing so in his first season playing in a 3-4. I thought that they were over paying for a guy in the wrong scheme. Â Now that Kelsay is in a 4-3 his value goes up but the guys highest sack total in a single season was 5.5, you shouldn't be paying top dollar for a 4-3 DE who can't generate more than 5.5 sacks. Â Not that Kelsay doesn't have value at all but just that you can think a guy is a decent football player but still think he isn't worth his contract.
Tcali Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 kelsay disappears for quarter after quarter-huge gobs of time----usually wide and way behind the QB where the OT has pushed him. then there is a broken play and kelsay makes a sack or tackle..-Then some dufus declares "Gee who are those idiots that said kelsay couldn't play?.Lookin pretty foolish now!" You aren't that dufus obviously. But they are out there.
Ronin Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 Call me Pollyanna, homer, crusader, whatever. Suck it. Go Bills. Â Boo yah! Â The question was never whether he was a "good football player or not," it was always whether he was worth his Schobel-like contract. Â Lots of players are "good football players," that doesn't mean you give them all a $25M contract with well over half of that guaranteed.
BuffaloBill Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 I just like the fact they are not trying to put him out there as an LB. He was out of position and awful in that role.
Beerball Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 Under the old regime, those backseat GM's looked pretty smart. Now Buddy is making them look dumb. And it's about time (we had a good GM). Buddy don't do contracts.
Buffaloed in Pa Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 Like I`ve said before............GREAT AGAINST THE RUN. ALWAYS A STEP AWAY AS A PASS RUSHER.
BBILL12 Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 Apparently all you Kelsay haters have forgotten what a lonely guy he has been on defense. Up until last year, he was surrounded by less than stellar talent.(Give or take a player or two that our FO let slip away) Even a top tier player would have had trouble being effective in that situation.(in which case, he would have left Buffalo a long time ago.)This year, it seems there is enough talent to go around. So... let's see what he does now. If he doesn't do any better then fine, dump on him. If he excells, then maybe, just maybe we all under estimated him. I'll defer to Buddy and Chans evaluations. That's why we are not professional talent evaluaters.
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