eball Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 Call me Pollyanna, homer, crusader, whatever. Suck it. Go Bills. Boo yah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 The backseat GMs can't see past their Xbox controllers. That's why you need an experienced talent evaluator like Buddy to make the baby. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 I'm ok with Kelsey now. I've worked past my hate of him. With better talent he's no longer asked to be our premium pass rusher and hebcan focus on what he does best. Be a very solid player. The only thing that scares me is that there is no way he is better than Merriman and probably not Anderson either. With him with the starting DL as the RDE and having Anderson on the sidelines makes me worry. I know Merriman is far from 100% but there should be no way he doesn't start if he's healthy. At least on passing downs. I just hope Buddy and Chan can remove him from the starting spot if the others show better play. I font want Jim starting just because of rhe "C" on his jersey and the effort. Effort doesn't mean good. It jus means he has to try harder to compete with these guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optometric Insight Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 Mr. Weo thanks you for not bumping up your own thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pondslider Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 I'm curious to see what they'll do on passing downs. If Kelsay is playing 1st and 2nd down, then when will Anderson and Merriman play? Will they both come in on 3rd down? Hopefully Wannstedt can find creative ways to get everyone on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JStranger76 Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 They need to rotate Anderson and Merriman at RE and just have Kelsay spell Mario at LE. Having Kelsay lineup at RE is just a complete waste of time. He poses absolutely no threat there whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cocktosten Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 Call me Pollyanna, homer, crusader, whatever. Suck it. Go Bills. Boo yah! Seriously? Can the mods just pin a "Kelsay is good" thread? Your obsession with making sure everyone knows Kelsay is good is bordering on psycho now. Try talking to a woman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 Seriously? Can the mods just pin a "Kelsay is good" thread? Your obsession with making sure everyone knows Kelsay is good is bordering on psycho now. Try talking to a woman. .....you're assuming the OP likes woman. I'm not buying it. Anyone think Kelsay is going to be more impactful than a healthy Merriman or Anderson to this defense is out of their mind. Kelsay may start...I'm more interested in who finishes and is on the field in key situations. What I got from the the article is that Kelsay does hs best work off the field.....but he works really, really hard on it......whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDVA Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 Blah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtbag Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 i'm no kelsay hater, though his contract leaves a mild distaste in my mouth. that said, i'm not the one paying him. still, this is a dumb article. i still don't get what this part means: "So what if a two-down player who only gets the occasional sack isn’t worth the $5.75 million cap hit Kelsay counts for this season. But would you say he’s worth the $3.5 million in actual salary he’s being paid? Mario might have four times as many sacks, but he won’t have four times the overall impact." huh? and then there's this: "And if it had even a nominal effect on the apparent culture change surrounding these Bills, it was worth every penny." kelsay's been on the team since 2003 and now we should give him credit for the culture change of the past two years? kelsay is a decent player who needs better players around him. nothing wrong with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonabb Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 Call me Pollyanna, homer, crusader, whatever. Suck it. Go Bills. Boo yah! Vindication doesn't come in the former of an editorial by some unknown fresh out of college making $12 an hour kid lacking any credibility at a dying, irrelevant daily paper with a roster full of young underskilled writers (they are neither reporter or journalists) and aging no name hacks. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 Well if the Tonawanda News says it's so... FWIW though, I am inclined to agree with the writer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Syracuse Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 I really don't ever recall Kelsay playing RDE but they refer it as his "natural" position??? Kelsay is more of a power rusher and not a speed rusher so why is RDE his natural position? Kelsay doesn't need to be amazing this year, he just needs to be solid. He'll contribute to a rotation that is going to cause massive problems for the teams they play. Keep in mind, the LT's going up against Kelsay/Anderson/Merriman won't have the luxury of rotating out. I'm interested in who's going to rotate opposite Mario? I guess I assumed it was going to be Kelsay rotating with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pondslider Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 The article isn't even factually correct. Kelsay was not starting on the 1st day of camp. Mark Anderson was the one working with the 1st team defense according to Buffalobills.com. Starting at right defensive end with the first unit was Mark Anderson. Chris Kelsay and Shawne Merriman are both expected to be part of what could be a daily rotation with the starting group. http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-2/Practice-Notes---Day-1---Stevie-looks-strong/5577af25-4ffb-418c-8610-e122a8de0a2c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sllib olaffub Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 I'm curious to see what they'll do on passing downs. If Kelsay is playing 1st and 2nd down, then when will Anderson and Merriman play? Will they both come in on 3rd down? Hopefully Wannstedt can find creative ways to get everyone on the field. My guess is this: Wannstedt will use Merriman as a pass rush specialist until he proves he's not at risk for another injury - probably somewhere near half-way point of season (unless there's injury to other DE's). Kelsay will take most of the 1st and 2nd down work, and Anderson will take 3rd down work, and a percentage of 1st and 2nd down work for rush plays and to mess with the opposition. In all, I could see Anderson and Kelsay splitting reps, and Merriman coming in as an OLB/DE on some 30 percent of plays. The way I see it, if Merriman, Kelsay, Anderson are all healthy enough for the season, they aren't all going to be rotating on one end. Mario has to be spelled, and who do we have to spell him? That is why I think we'll go DE high next year, to find a young man to groom who fits the physical mold of that dominant DE, 6-4 to 6-6, 260lbs or more, to eventually fill his shoes. That is also why I was surprised, when we switched back, that they didn't switch Carrington back to DE - he was, when drafted, about Mario's size and weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cocktosten Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 Isn't Jonah Bronstien's pen name was Dr. Z? Anyhoo, my favorite part of this brilliant piece is when he pontificates on the tremendous average-ness of Kelsay: And now, Kelsay, like so many other players on this Bills’ defense, is being put back at his natural spot, and being asked to do what he does best: execute his assignments, fill his gap, make the plays that prevent themselves, and minimize mistakes. He’ll no longer be asked to ignite the pass rush. A couple things stand out to me about this potential Pulitzer prize winning article: 1. When was Kelsay asked to "ignite" the pass rush? 30.5 career sacks over 10 years sounds like we was like he was more of a soggy wick. 2. They are asking Kelsay to "minimize his mistakes". That implies that he makes a lot of mistakes doesn't it? I could here Buddy now, (cue thick hillbilly accent) "Now Chris, you've been biting on play action, false stepping misdirection and overplaying screens your whole career. We just need you to do a lot less of that." Novel approach. 3. What does "make the plays that prevent themselves" mean? Did he mean, make the plays that PRESENT themselves? Think about that for a minute... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 Kelsay is gonna be one of the most popular players on this team......because offenses are going be worrying about all the othernames on that line. I equate Kelsay as he is to DE what a guy like Wade Phillips is to DC/HC......Wade is a crackerjack of a DC......a not so good HC Kelsay is gonna be a crackerjack of a rotational DE.....as the "guy" on the DL.....he is pretty average but its all good......because he CAN BE average with this group and still contribute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meathead Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 The article isn't even factually correct. Kelsay was not starting on the 1st day of camp. Mark Anderson was the one working with the 1st team defense according to Buffalobills.com. and yet buddy himself said recently that kelsay will start early downs and anderson/merriman will play later/pass downs the idea that wanny will 'start' anderson, who is a liability in run defense, is ridikilis. anderson has never ever been an early down starter. why would you do that when you have a legit starting containment de on your roster? When was Kelsay asked to "ignite" the pass rush? 30.5 career sacks over 10 years sounds like we was like he was more of a soggy wick. yes because sacks are the only measurement of effectiveness do you watch the games? kelsay has been one of the better players at applying pressure, though admittedly he has trouble finishing with the actual sacks against teams not named washington. many times he sets up sacks for other players simply by being in the right place and forcing the qb away from his spot kelsay is what he is, a very solid all around end, and a legitimate average nfl starter. since there are only sixty-four of those in the world and he would be right around thirty-second in ability, thats still pretty damned valuable. just because he isnt a stud doesnt mean he sucks. hes paid fairly for what he does and deserves to be the early down/run defense starter based on that ability Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 A couple things stand out to me about this potential Pulitzer prize winning article: 3. What does "make the plays that prevent themselves" mean? Did he mean, make the plays that PRESENT themselves? Think about that for a minute... Apparently he was brainwashed by Jauron. the idea that wanny will 'start' anderson, who is a liability in run defense, is ridikilis. kala efharisto! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 (edited) "Good football players" either don't or shouldn't make 6 million per year. Kelsay is a good football player. He should make 3-4 million per year. And I like Kelsay more than most. There was no reason to re-sign him at that time and there was no reason to pay him that much. I sincerely doubt any other team would sign him for that much at that time if he was a UFA. I'm glad he's on the team, he should have a decent year (although I really don't see him playing more than 30-35% of the plays if Merriman is healthy at all), but he has and is being paid too much. Edited July 28, 2012 by Kelly the Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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