Heels20X6 Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Office argument raging out of control... Is Ichiro Suzuki a first ballot hall-of-fame inductee? GO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Well obviously, now that he is a Yankee of course he is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 yes, to consistently hit significantly northward of .300 and 200 hits is a golden ticket to Cooperstown. He belongs there...in a yankee uni no less Office argument raging out of control... Is Ichiro Suzuki a first ballot hall-of-fame inductee? GO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 (edited) Office argument raging out of control... Is Ichiro Suzuki a first ballot hall-of-fame inductee? GO! I can't settle the argument, but I believe Ichiro will go in on the first ballot. Outside Seattle, it's hard to think of a more under-appreciated talent than Ichiro. If he'd played in a "baseball town" (sorry, Seattle, we love you, but it's a baseball outpost), he could have been the decade's most popular player. Superior hitting, excellent defender, feared base-runner and could outwork anyone on the field. If he'd been on more winning teams, I doubt anyone would deny Ichiro is a first-ballot hall-of-famer. Edited July 25, 2012 by Max Fischer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phlegm Alley Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Absolutely. If you take into account not only what he has been able to accomplish in the MLB, but also what he did during his career in Japan, there is no doubt he is a 1st ballot HOF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 And I can't picture anyone associating him with steroids, which will be such a big thing with the voters in the coming years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 No doubter he will be first ballot. What is the argument against that happening? I can't think of a reason to keep him out. He is at 2500 hits after a 12 year career - that's an average of over 200 hits a year, including a high of 262 which is obscene! The standard in baseball I believe is a 10 year career and to be one of the best of your era's. He clearly was and is that! He won an mvp and rookie of the year, all star game mvp, has led the league in hits multiple times as well as leading in batting average and steals on different occasions, is a 10 time all star, a 10 time gold glover, add it to all he did in Japan and I don't see an argument against him. Do tell what is the argument against it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 he looks different than the rest of us crackers.... ...and he talks purty funny Do tell what is the argument against it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Absolutely. He's easily the most successful Japanese born player, and probably would've had 4,000 hits had he played his entire career in MLB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Yes, though I would rather see Hideki Matsui get in instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 as much as I love 'Godzilla', not sure i'd consider him first ballot...or second even... Yes, though I would rather see Hideki Matsui get in instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 as much as I love 'Godzilla', not sure i'd consider him first ballot...or second even... Probably not, but Monument Park > Baseball HOF, maybe he will make it there some day instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 as much as I love 'Godzilla', not sure i'd consider him first ballot...or second even... or 15th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Probably not, but Monument Park > Baseball HOF, maybe he will make it there some day instead. Monument Park where? Surely not the one in Yankee Stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Monument Park where? Surely not the one in Yankee Stadium. Indeed. I was just checking out the llist of great Yankees enshrined there, looks like it's harder to get in there than the HOF, so many great names missing. Matsui won't make it there either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Love Godzilla, but he'll need to purchase a ticket to the HoF like the rest of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieatcrayonz Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Absolutely. He's easily the most successful Japanese born player, and probably would've had 4,000 hits had he played his entire career in MLB. Even if he got 4,000 hits he would only be 50/50 to make the Hall of Fame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 I don't follow baseball anymore, but strangely was looking up Ichiro's stats like 2 days ago. I saw his name in some article and was shocked that he was still playing, so looked him up. Based on the stats I saw and the fact that he is probably the most successful cross-over Japanese player, I would vote first-team HOF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopsGuy Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 He's definitely a HOFer (I hate the 1st ballot thing - the guy is or he isn't). He has a lifetime WAR of 54.7. In comparison, Dave Winfield's was 59.4 and because I hate the Yankees, you should know that Robin Yount's was 72.4. Now, Ichiro's lifetime OPS+ is only 113 (Yount 115, Winfield 130) but if he can get to 3k hits, it's a slam-dunk. I'd vote for him but I don't get a vote (though I'm quite sure I understand the game much better than a few that do). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 He's definitely a HOFer (I hate the 1st ballot thing - the guy is or he isn't). He has a lifetime WAR of 54.7. In comparison, Dave Winfield's was 59.4 and because I hate the Yankees, you should know that Robin Yount's was 72.4. Now, Ichiro's lifetime OPS+ is only 113 (Yount 115, Winfield 130) but if he can get to 3k hits, it's a slam-dunk. I'd vote for him but I don't get a vote (though I'm quite sure I understand the game much better than a few that do). How is Robin Yount's career counter to the Yankees? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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