Buddy not mincing words on Troup, Carrington...

[Armchair GM]

+1

Spencer is coming into camp in the best shape of his life, and is taking names. Book it.

 

I love it when I'm right...

[Mr. WEO]

I agree. Weo, to me your one of the posters on here that is actually refreshing sometimes because your not a huge homer but this post is right. E was simply stating it was a relief that our GM can admit when he's wrong and he's not afraid to do it. Will cut bait from his first highly drafted picks if they don't step up. Yes it's nothing we ALL don't already know. But there's really no argument here. We all know it. E was just saying how nice it was to finally have this as a GM. If you hate on Nix or Troupe or Cardington that's fine but this isn't the post for it.

 

I also agree with what's posted above. As a Bills fan, if you can't be excited about the team this year after the offseason we've had then maybe it's time to rither give up all together or just start finding another team. And that goes for anyone. I get how people can say they won't get too excited until more than half the season is underwraps. Last year was devastating. What's the point of following them so closely thought if you won't allow yourself to get excited just before fhe season starts after a killer offseason? Is it so people can just claim theyvwere fans all along when everyone starts jumping on the bandwagon again? If your still doubting after this year there's no hope. We couldn't do anything larger than what we did besides maybe signing Manning but at 36 and after multiple injuries he was suspect. Let's all just enjoy this ride as Bills fans together. I'm even going to stop talking bad about Brad Smith and the Wildcat. Best formation ever!!!!! Will win us games all on it's own and welcome it with open arms.

I hear you Mrags. I just didn't think calling out these guys was the equivalent to saying "I screwed up", which is what others are claiming Buddy is really saying. Just don't see it--and that's not "hating" on Nix. If Jauron had said the same thing about Maybin no one here would have praised this as admitting he screwed up the pick--they would be laughed off for suggesting that's what he was doing.

 

And I am optimistic with the approaching season--said so above. I'm just not moved to start goofy posts about it.

[mrags]

I hear you Mrags. I just didn't think calling out these guys was the equivalent to saying "I screwed up", which is what others are claiming Buddy is really saying. Just don't see it--and that's not "hating" on Nix. If Jauron had said the same thing about Maybin no one here would have praised this as admitting he screwed up the pick--they would be laughed off for suggesting that's what he was doing.

 

And I am optimistic with the approaching season--said so above. I'm just not moved to start goofy posts about it.

As far as the "I screwed up" part there is no guarantee that Nix is the sole reason why Troupe and Carrington are on this team or were drafted where they were. As stated before and unable to prove facts but Modrak was involved heavily in that draft. Sure Nix was the GM but as GM you must believe in your guys that have been empowered. It also (for the point of the OP) gives him the responsibility of admitting when he was wrong about something. Now he didn't come right out and admit wrong doing he did show his dissapointment with thier play so far.

 

As far as the play of both Troupe and Carrington there are some things that must be noted. Troupe was considered one of the better true 3-4 DTs in the draft. He might not have been touted as a guy like Ngata or Wilfork he was considered one if the better ones in that particular draft. He was a position of need at the time while switching to the 3-4. Most of the people get pissed because we could have had Gronk. Well, Gronk had serious injury question marls at the time and as much of a position of need the TE position was and still is, it's not as important as a dominant DT. The fact is, chances are Modrak was very pro Troupe and Buddy made the call. If Troupe was even half of what Dareus was we would be saying it was a good pick. He's had injuries and is a dissapointment but his chances are not done. I doubt he will myself but he will get this years camps to prove he can turn it around. Time will still tell.

 

Carrington. IMO he looked really good at OLB last year in camps and I saw him there 3 times. I was impressed. I personally think he should be a RDE in the 4-3 not a DT because of his burst and edge rushing. But that's just my opinion. He wa involved last year, had some stops and some blocks. Wasn't all that bad. As far as where he was drafted you might expect a little more out if him but he is far from a bust. He is only 2 seasons in, working in his 3rd and COULD be a role player coming from the backup role. With the rest of the defense getting more pass rush and double teams I expect Carrington to have his best year so far. not the greatest of picks but also a pick of need at the time.

 

Easley. Oh boy. Where do we begin. IF and only IF he was healthy what we could be able to tell about this kid. Unfortunately nobody knows with the exception of the Bills staff. We all saw him in preseason last year and it was defenately not bad. You can't count this kid out at this point. One injury football related and one not. Another position of need at the time. Because of his lack of college experience and gametime we took a gamble on this kid that has the prototypical size of a possession wide reciever in the NFL and speed to be a burner. We all know the cliches of 3rd year for WRs to break out. Well, this is his 3rd year. We can almost be assured that if he doesn't come out and stay healthy and at least have a somewhat descent year he will not be here any longer. Again time will tell after this year.

 

Unfortunately the facts because of the injuries show you are correct. They also show based on statistics that there is no possible way to argue what you stated of them being busts. However there is no way to show that they can't turn things around before it's too late. It's thier 3rd years and they must produce enough to warrant a roster spot. At the end of the day, Troupe and Easley are showing to be busts and Carrington is showing nothing more than a backup at best but they are here now. We can't go back to the 2010 draft and change it. We have what we have and we all need to hope they can contribute. If they don't, I would assume Buddy to admit wring doing a little more when the time comes. He's been extremely honest about everything so far. He does what he says he's going to do. His comments (without admitting guilt) were clearly his way of saying he is dissapointed.

 

I hope we can all experience this team to turn around this year. I want go experience this town going crazy. Painting Bills logos in the streets downtown, singing Shout everywhere we go. Things are looking better than anything in the last 10+ years. We should all enjoy it without complaining. I'm even done with Brad Smith. Best utility player ever!!!

Edited July 26, 2012 by mrags

[eball]

And I am optimistic with the approaching season--said so above. I'm just not moved to start goofy posts about it.

And that's why you're largely considered a prick around here. I would think the numerous responses about, and in support of, this thread indicate it's anything but "goofy" to Bills fans.

 

It's clear you are the immovable object here, and I'm not going to waste any further time pushing. How many posters have said you're just wrong here? It doesn't matter to you, though. The conversations are only "insightful" to you when you're doing the talking, and when no one is disputing your obviously well-reasoned and spot-on commentary.

 

/sarcasm

[Mr. WEO]

And that's why you're largely considered a prick around here. I would think the numerous responses about, and in support of, this thread indicate it's anything but "goofy" to Bills fans.

 

It's clear you are the immovable object here, and I'm not going to waste any further time pushing. How many posters have said you're just wrong here? It doesn't matter to you, though. The conversations are only "insightful" to you when you're doing the talking, and when no one is disputing your obviously well-reasoned and spot-on commentary.

 

/sarcasm

To be honest eball, I wasn't referring to this specific post, as I have said. Just the pro bowl, super bowl, shut outs, GM of the year types.

 

And for the record, we don't know what was the complete intent of Buddy calling them out (other than to simply call them out), so there are only opinions on this topic, no facts. I clearly disagree with your opinion (and indirectly others who agree with you). In matters of opinion, it doesn't matter how many people disagree with you (I mean, you knew that right?), that shouldn't sway you. In fact, I can change my opinion by a single well argued point--it's happened here many times, believe it or not. You just haven't made a convincing argument to support your point. Instead, you make it a personal thing about Buddy. Disagreeing is "hating". Not really..

 

I haven't been uncivil, but by simply saying I think your interpretation/opinion is wrong-- I dont think this makes me a "large prick". Hey, I've been called that before! There are worse labels....

 

 

There are a ton of posters with far more insight than me. That's why I like coming here--for the diversity of opinions. Yours included.

[eball]

To be honest eball, I wasn't referring to this specific post, as I have said. Just the pro bowl, super bowl, shut outs, GM of the year types.

Fine. Understood.

 

And for the record, we don't know what was the complete intent of Buddy calling them out (other than to simply call them out), so there are only opinions on this topic, no facts. I clearly disagree with your opinion (and indirectly others who agree with you). In matters of opinion, it doesn't matter how many people disagree with you (I mean, you knew that right?), that shouldn't sway you. In fact, I can change my opinion by a single well argued point--it's happened here many times, believe it or not. You just haven't made a convincing argument to support your point. Instead, you make it a personal thing about Buddy. Disagreeing is "hating". Not really..

It's not personal about Buddy. It's that you are arguing a point I didn't try to make, a fact many posters besides me have pointed out to you. I haven't made any "argument" other than to point out how rarely one sees a GM publicly call out his own high draft picks after only two seasons. You've provided absolutely no evidence to the contrary, instead taking credit for "knowing" these players sucked when they were drafted. Completely irrelevant and of no use to this discussion.

 

I haven't been uncivil, but by simply saying I think your interpretation/opinion is wrong-- I dont think this makes me a "large prick". Hey, I've been called that before! There are worse labels....

Our definitions of "uncivil" clearly differ. I've read enough threads in which you've commented to feel justified in my characterization of your "style."

 

There are a ton of posters with far more insight than me. That's why I like coming here--for the diversity of opinions. Yours included.

I couldn't agree more.

[3rdand12]

When i listened to the interview i was not astounded that he was truthful and blunt, but that his point is correct. and he know what he is doing. after 3 years you had better show up. I think he has a torrell T. up his sleeve though and he might be the semi surprise of camp since the majority of folks have already released him in their mind.

[truth on hold]

Lol @ those thinking nix is being a stand up guy and admitting to mistakes. They're not even confirmed mistakes yet! All he did was acknowledge he's looking to see more from them in their 3rd seasons, offering encouragement to both.

 

If he wants to be stand up and admit mistakes, Ed acknowledge the horrible decision they made to take a 4-3 setup and convert to 3-4, thinking the latter was suspeior no matter the transformation costs. Or wasting millions for the last 2 seasons on a damaged goods cast off like merriman just because he came from buddy's former team.

 

I'm not saying I want him to, just providing some stand up examples. Far as I'm concerned it's all water under the bridge. Have to look at the whole picture and take the good with the bad. People have more legit reason looking forward to this season than any other in a long time. Works for me right now

[Mr. WEO]

As far as the "I screwed up" part there is no guarantee that Nix is the sole reason why Troupe and Carrington are on this team or were drafted where they were. As stated before and unable to prove facts but Modrak was involved heavily in that draft. Sure Nix was the GM but as GM you must believe in your guys that have been empowered. It also (for the point of the OP) gives him the responsibility of admitting when he was wrong about something. Now he didn't come right out and admit wrong doing he did show his dissapointment with thier play so far.

 

As far as the play of both Troupe and Carrington there are some things that must be noted. Troupe was considered one of the better true 3-4 DTs in the draft. He might not have been touted as a guy like Ngata or Wilfork he was considered one if the better ones in that particular draft. He was a position of need at the time while switching to the 3-4.

 

Sorry mrags, I'm not gonna be persuaded that, as a career scout (and most recently the Bills head of national scouting) that GM Buddy didn;t know all about Troup as he was putting together his all important first draft as GM. Troup was drafted as an NT in the ridiculous plan for the switch to the 3-4. And he wasn;t even the top prospect at NT. Now he can only be a backup or rotational DT in the 4-3. Not sure what there is to step up to--maybe just a higher spot on the depth chart? He will never start on this loaded D.

 

 

Fine. Understood.

 

 

It's not personal about Buddy. It's that you are arguing a point I didn't try to make, a fact many posters besides me have pointed out to you. I haven't made any "argument" other than to point out how rarely one sees a GM publicly call out his own high draft picks after only two seasons. You've provided absolutely no evidence to the contrary,

 

For the final time, I'm arguing the point you did make--that he is "admitting failure". I don't think he is. it's that simple. That's were we disagree.

 

The "big deal" is that GMs rarely will publicly admit their failures (or potential failures) two short years after drafting a player.

 

For a GM to admit his 2nd and 3rd round picks from two drafts ago are on the hot seat -- and thus calling his own decisions into question

 

If that's not accepting responsibility for the picks and demanding accountability, I don't know what is.

 

I think he's simply telling them they have to improve or go. Don't see anywhere that he says "maybe I screwed up".

 

I leave it at that.

[swnybillsfan]

i'm of the opinion that buddy is just being buddy. a guy that speaks his mind and is letting us know that the organization is expecting more out of these players than they have shown so far. i also believe that by saying that they expect more, that they believe these players have much more to give.