Mr. WEO Posted July 26, 2012 Posted July 26, 2012 I think KC will win that division this year, and they already won one with him there. I think it is silly for the other fellow though to say the Patriots have not drafted well or used FA well though. to San Jose, if the Patriots have not done a good job, then every other team must really freaking suck then, because the bottom line is winning, and every person in the NFL will say that. Patriots win. SJB's claim makes no sense--pointing out that Pioli's later drafts were bad and the pats drafting has improved recently since he left is a strange way to argue they have suffered the loss of Pioli. There is simply no way the Chiefs win their division in the foreseeable future.
thewildrabbit Posted July 26, 2012 Posted July 26, 2012 Bills TE's Nobody 4 years Nobody 3 years Nobody 2 years Nobody 1 Year Gailey is upholding that Buffalo Bills staunch tradition of no dominate TE on the roster ...meanwhile the Patriots are stacking their roster with anyone they can get to line up at that position. Adding good depth in case of injuries, VS will be the #3 TE. The Patriots already have the best young TE in the game, and the bills have Chandler, Lee Smith, Kevin Brock, Mike Caussin, and Fendi Onobun. exp 6 years, 2 years, one year, 2 years, 2 years Signing VS, a 9 year vet who did pretty good with a decent QB throwing his way in Brett Farve in 09 makes no sense for the Bills because Gailey wouldn't use him. Gailey doesn't use Chandler as much as he should. He would prefer to run 5 WR, one back spread sets with only one good WR.
3rdand12 Posted July 26, 2012 Posted July 26, 2012 Gailey is upholding that Buffalo Bills staunch tradition of no dominate TE on the roster ...meanwhile the Patriots are stacking their roster with anyone they can get to line up at that position. Adding good depth in case of injuries, VS will be the #3 TE. The Patriots already have the best young TE in the game, and the bills have Chandler, Lee Smith, Kevin Brock, Mike Caussin, and Fendi Onobun. exp 6 years, 2 years, one year, 2 years, 2 years Signing VS, a 9 year vet who did pretty good with a decent QB throwing his way in Brett Farve in 09 makes no sense for the Bills because Gailey wouldn't use him. Gailey doesn't use Chandler as much as he should. He would prefer to run 5 WR, one back spread sets with only one good WR. i think Chandler is better then some give him credit for. He is a slid red zone threat, and we have Nelson who is listed as WR but is more often used like a TE or slot. Smith is one heck of a nasty blocker. I think Chan has all he needs for now. a big name is not our style on offense anyway. And do not count out Dickerson. So we may not have a star but we have what we need because of the way Gailey/ Modkins run the offense. Fear rhe Beard is right, but from reading and listening the Bills think Chandler will play better this year and be better used.
paintmyhouse Posted July 26, 2012 Posted July 26, 2012 SJB's claim makes no sense--pointing out that Pioli's later drafts were bad and the pats drafting has improved recently since he left is a strange way to argue they have suffered the loss of Pioli. There is simply no way the Chiefs win their division in the foreseeable future. Why can't the Chiefs win, they had crazy injuries all last year and still were 7-9 after a putrid start, with bad QB play, in a division that 8-8 won. The division has a very different look at starting QBs next year though, Manning, Rivers, Palmer, and Cassel, versus last year, Orton, Rivers, Campbell and Cassel. Chiefs get last place schedule again. I think they can win it, but I also think that division is totally up for grabs.
White Linen Posted July 26, 2012 Posted July 26, 2012 These above moves are equivalent to the moves that Daniel Snyder and the Redskins have been making for over a decade. They almost never work. The Cheatriots**** need to get it together again personnel-wise. Since losing Pioli and Dimitroff they've sucked at player acquisition using the big-name/aging vet/lazy scouting approach to pro scouting and bombing in their drafts. They USED to be good at player acquisition. Exactly, and it gets masked by the excellence of Brady. They've tried to continue the cute little moves they used to make and it's not working. They will always be good with Brady behind center, but I believe the days of being so far ahead of us we can't see them are over. As Brady's inevitable decline begins and the roster blunders continue, those roads meet soon and they become the Colts 2.0. QB is gone and then they realize how void of talent they really are.
Mr. WEO Posted July 26, 2012 Posted July 26, 2012 Why can't the Chiefs win, they had crazy injuries all last year and still were 7-9 after a putrid start, with bad QB play, in a division that 8-8 won. The division has a very different look at starting QBs next year though, Manning, Rivers, Palmer, and Cassel, versus last year, Orton, Rivers, Campbell and Cassel. Chiefs get last place schedule again. I think they can win it, but I also think that division is totally up for grabs. You answered your own question. Every QB in the division is now better than Cassel.
Pneumonic Posted July 26, 2012 Posted July 26, 2012 Exactly, and it gets masked by the excellence of Brady. They've tried to continue the cute little moves they used to make and it's not working. They will always be good with Brady behind center, but I believe the days of being so far ahead of us we can't see them are over. As Brady's inevitable decline begins and the roster blunders continue, those roads meet soon and they become the Colts 2.0. QB is gone and then they realize how void of talent they really are. Many people are suggesting that this years Pats team may be the most talented of the Belichick era. You even have some NFL analysts predicting the Pats may go 16-0. This doesn't point to a decline in roster talent as you suggest.
boyst Posted July 26, 2012 Posted July 26, 2012 Many people are suggesting that this years Pats team may be the most talented of the Belichick era. You even have some NFL analysts predicting the Pats may go 16-0. This doesn't point to a decline in roster talent as you suggest. If the critics and "many people" determined the championship then...well, seriously? You really want to stand behind this comment? The Patriots are not bad, they're not even a little rough. They are a good team, but why worship them? If they were so dang special then why did we beat them? Maybe it is a Buffalo culture that has been created through so many poor years of play but I do not think Patriots or Jets fans are ready to give us any wins. Why should we give them any?
Pneumonic Posted July 26, 2012 Posted July 26, 2012 If the critics and "many people" determined the championship then...well, seriously? You really want to stand behind this comment? The Patriots are not bad, they're not even a little rough. They are a good team, but why worship them? If they were so dang special then why did we beat them? Maybe it is a Buffalo culture that has been created through so many poor years of play but I do not think Patriots or Jets fans are ready to give us any wins. Why should we give them any? The point is many people believe this years Pats team to be very talented, maybe even the most talented of the Belichick era. As such, this is contrary to the belief of many posters in here who suggest the Pats are suffering from a decline in talent because of poor personnel moves.
boyst Posted July 26, 2012 Posted July 26, 2012 The point is many people believe this years Pats team to be very talented, maybe even the most talented of the Belichick era. As such, this is contrary to the belief of many posters in here who suggest the Pats are suffering from a decline in talent because of poor personnel moves. I don't know, it is impossible to compare this team to the first Super Bowl team. The defense was there to cover all the Brady mistakes. The offense was good but the defense was excellent.
Pneumonic Posted July 26, 2012 Posted July 26, 2012 (edited) I don't know, it is impossible to compare this team to the first Super Bowl team. The defense was there to cover all the Brady mistakes. The offense was good but the defense was excellent. Forgetting any of the SB winning teams, even if the comparison is to the last 2 Patriots teams, that were talented enough to post 13-3 and 14-2 win seasons respectively, then I'd say a betterment of the talent on those teams is saying something. Brandon Lloyd, one of the best deep threat WR in the game and in IMO top 3 hands in the game behind Johnson and Fitz. In support of this statement. According to My link Since 2008, there have been 20 receivers with more than 65 targets of at least 21 yards downfield. The only one not to drop a deep ball? Brandon Lloyd (88 targets). Over the past two seasons, with Josh McDaniels as his head coach or primary offensive coordinator, Lloyd was the most targeted receiver on throws deeper than 20 yards downfield, with 73 such targets. Calvin Johnson was second with 64. Further relevant stats from the same article: Lloyd has done this with Kyle Orton, Tim Tebow, Sam Bradford, A.J. Feeley and Kellen Clemens as his quarterbacks. Lloyd's quarterback this year is Tom Brady. And his offensive coordinator is Josh McDaniels. Edited July 26, 2012 by Pneumonic
BuffaloWest Posted July 26, 2012 Posted July 26, 2012 Outside that one year he's been nothing. I don't understand the hype around him at all. Not true..He did catch 56 balls and 11 TDs with Favre, but he has been pretty steady throughout his career...In Minnesota the past couple of years it has been a mess at QB and his numbers dropped. He's pretty good. We could have used another TE....We know we have one decent one, but that is it....
boyst Posted July 26, 2012 Posted July 26, 2012 (edited) Forgetting any of the SB winning teams, even if the comparison is to the last 2 Patriots teams, that were talented enough to post 13-3 and 14-2 win seasons respectively, then I'd say a betterment of the talent on those teams is saying something. So do you think this team could go 15-1? Does anyone else? Being optomistic @TN W AZ W @Bal W @Buf L (Figure they will lose to either Balt or us) Den L @Sea W NYJ W @STL W Buf W Ind W @NYJ L @Mia L (Miami just beats them sometimes) Hou W SF L (May lose both Hou and SF) @Jac W Mia W 11-5 Alright, still, lets say they beat Miami, that's still 4 loses. They face a hard stretch for them @ Miami then following up to Houston and SF. I could see them beating both of those teams and falling off against JVille who would be a good spoiler. Plus, with 4 losses by the end of the season they could still pull the division...could. Either way, I don't see any 100% losses, but I definately don't see 15 wins. I don't see 12. Edited July 26, 2012 by jboyst62
Pneumonic Posted July 26, 2012 Posted July 26, 2012 Not true..He did catch 56 balls and 11 TDs with Favre, but he has been pretty steady throughout his career...In Minnesota the past couple of years it has been a mess at QB and his numbers dropped. He's pretty good. We could have used another TE....We know we have one decent one, but that is it.... With Gronk, Hernandez and now Shiancoe the Pats will be able to trot out a mighty impressive trio of TE's who know how to score TD's when down in the red zone. So do you think this team could go 15-1? Does anyone else? Being optomistic @TN W AZ W @Bal W @Buf L (Figure they will lose to either Balt or us) Den L @Sea W NYJ W @STL W Buf W Ind W @NYJ L @Mia L (Miami just beats them sometimes) Hou W SF L (May lose both Hou and SF) @Jac W Mia W 11-5 Alright, still, lets say they beat Miami, that's still 4 loses. They face a hard stretch for them @ Miami then following up to Houston and SF. I could see them beating both of those teams and falling off against JVille who would be a good spoiler. Plus, with 4 losses by the end of the season they could still pull the division...could. Either way, I don't see any 100% losses, but I definately don't see 15 wins. I don't see 12. Who knows but, barring key injuries, I don't see a single game where the Pats won't be favoured to win.
paintmyhouse Posted July 26, 2012 Posted July 26, 2012 patriots will be favored by at least a touchdown in 10 of their games, that is a big number, and they will go over 10 in many of those.
ALLEN1QB Posted July 26, 2012 Posted July 26, 2012 "Roughing the passer, personal foul on the QB, the ball will be placed on the 1 yard line of the opponent, 1st down." +1
White Linen Posted July 27, 2012 Posted July 27, 2012 (edited) Many people are suggesting that this years Pats team may be the most talented of the Belichick era. You even have some NFL analysts predicting the Pats may go 16-0. This doesn't point to a decline in roster talent as you suggest. You're proving my point. NFL analysts believe they are possibly the most taleted they've ever been. How do you suggest they are? The national media doesn't/won't say it - they're personnel moves lately have been laughable. So again, my personal opinion based on the back firing of all their personnel moves is, they are good but slipping from their dominant position. Edited July 27, 2012 by Triple Threat
Doc Posted July 27, 2012 Posted July 27, 2012 The point is many people believe this years Pats team to be very talented, maybe even the most talented of the Belichick era. As such, this is contrary to the belief of many posters in here who suggest the Pats are suffering from a decline in talent because of poor personnel moves. Not even close. The 2007 Pats team was the most talented of the Belichick era.
Wayne Cubed Posted July 27, 2012 Posted July 27, 2012 Not even close. The 2007 Pats team was the most talented of the Belichick era. Agreed. Just look at there roster for this year and there are lots of question marks. Offensive line is practically been blown up. Nat Solder, was ok at RT last year, but anyone who thinks he'll step in and see no difference between him and Matt Light is a fool. They did nothing to solve the secondary problem except draft a questionable safety. They will be relying on 2 rookies to bolster their pass rush problems...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 27, 2012 Posted July 27, 2012 As hard as it is to say, Tom Brady is likely the best QB of all time, and it's the main reason the Pats* still win. Take Brady out of this Pats* team and you get the Colts without Manning. Yes, I know all about Matt Cassell. But that Pats* team still had a tremendous talent, especially on defense. The 2012 Pats* are a house of cards. Brady, Gronk, Welker, ????? PTR
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