Mr Businessman, You Didn't Build Your Business

[TheMadCap]

 

 

 

Obama could have explained his thoughts so much better. I think the point he was trying to drive home was that the economy itself is driven by everyone together. Businesses can't survive without customers, etc. When he got into talking about the government, he went to a dangerous place.

 

I'm sure the Romney campaign will have a field day with this and pretend he stands for limited government. He needed a break like this.

 

I tried to see it that way too fj. I really did. But it doesn't pass the smell test, because not only did he say it TWICE, but it could have been worded so much better, assuming that was his point he was trying to make. He could have just said what he "meant", "It takes an entire community to make the economy work" or something along those lines. But he didn't.

 

Not only that, but as an independant voter, whom BOTH parties need in order to win in November, I am more than fed up with people trying to explain away everything the President says and does as "oh, you just didn't understand what he was saying" or "that isn't what he meant", or something to that effect. I've HAD IT with the notion that I am not smart enough to figure out Obama's grand plan. I listen to what the man says, and I listen to the entire speach before I decide what I think about it.

 

Romney is right to have a field day with this. Now to your point about whether he will actually limit growth of government, I don't know...

[IDBillzFan]

...I am more than fed up with people trying to explain away everything the President says and does as "oh, you just didn't understand what he was saying" or "that isn't what he meant", or something to that effect. I've HAD IT with the notion that I am not smart enough to figure out Obama's grand plan...

I genuinely hope other independents get it like you do. One of the things I absolutely abhor about this president is that he so blatantly sticks in peoples' faces just how stupid he thinks they are. The problem is never what he's saying; it's that you're just too dumb to understand it, so if he would only have said it more slowly and given more consideration to your stupidity, no one would be criticizing his comments.

 

The voter ID issue is along the same lines: "Why don't you understand that poor minorities are just too stupid to figure out how to get a free ride to get a free photo ID so they can vote. By asking them to do these unbelievably difficult tasks, you're disenfranchising them."

 

It should be embarrassing and offensive to everyone. And yet, sadly, it's not.

[OCinBuffalo]

There is an airplane in downtown Pittsburg with a banner flying behind it saying "Tricky Mitt Release Your Taxes" ha ha ha!!!

 

Mitt hitting anything is pretty funny. What's he hiding?

Tee Hee

 

But wait.....did you stop to consider why? Nope. Answer: Because Democrats are scared shitless of Pittsburgh going Romney....and they should be. If Pittsburgh goes or breaks even, that will largely cancel out Philly, and places like Erie and Scranton will determine PA. That means more money that the Obama campaign can't afford to spend in places they don't want to be, in a state they are supposed to win.

 

Pittsburgh is coal country, and your boy hasn't been so good on that one, now has he? In fact, Appalachia in general is rapidly forming a real problem, such that look at this: Today's Electoral College From RCP See all those red states in Appalachia, and that they just happen to touch OH, PA and VA? See how every state around IL is grey? Notice that many of them are coal states as well?

 

Suddenly, some tool in a plane isn't so funny, is it? If things were going well, they wouldn't be spending a single dollar in Pittsburgh. Especially when one considers that Obama has blown $100 million on this "tax return" and Bain stuff....and has gotten NOTHING in return.

 

Keep laughing though. I'll be sure to remind you about it in November.

I don't see why liberals are attempting to walk back his comments or state that it was taken out of context. If it's something that you fervently believe in, be proud of your ideology, and say it on a bullhorn and let the chips fall were they fall.

Oh please, like they will ever tell the truth on this. They live under the premise that they know things we don't, and that those things serve a higher purpose we can't understand.

 

The truth is of course the exact opposite. We know a lot that they don't...like basic economics, finance, and accounting, and what we know is a hell of a lot more relevant to getting things done. To be sure, there are some things that liberals know that we don't. For example, I am certain that the public perception of women in the 1890s, and their roles in society...is important, to somebody, somewhere. But knowing that doesn't help you create very many jobs. Knowing about business enough that you can create one...kinda helps.

 

As far as their higher purpose, we aren't allowed to hear about it for the same reason we don't know anything about the women of the 1890s: they seem to think that for some crazy reason, we won't be able to appreciate it's "value".

But don't you have the slightest problem with the quote being taken out of context and the only part being played is: "if you own a business, you didn't build that"? And people running with that part of the quote only? I do. Just as I had a problem with the Romney quote being taken out of context saying he wasn't concerned with poor people. Both sides suck.

I get your point. But do you get this: the more they explain Obama's quote, the more they damn it?

 

See, this is a win/win. Either the quote stays as it is, and it becomes the new "I actually voted for it before I voted against it", or, they give us quotable whole paragraphs that can be used for a higher level discussion...of the "various ways in which they are douchebags".

Even when I hear it IN context, it sounds just as stupid. This isn't Al Gore saying "I co-sponsored the legislation that funded the research into the internet" and being misrepresented. This is someone saying business owners don't build their businesses without government help - effectively, saying you didn't build your client list by busting your ass 12-14 hours a day cold-calling, you just lucked into it because of everyone else helping you; or I didn't actually earn a graduate degree, the credit belongs to the entire SUNY system (and the inventor of the typewriter, and Kinko's). It doesn't matter if you're smart or work your ass off...the credit should be shared equally.

 

It doesn't matter if you do the work...what matters is the conditions others created that allowed you to do the work. He explicitly confuses the society in which we live providing the preconditions for success with creating success itself. That's explicitly his context.

 

How is that any less stupid than "If you own a business, you didn't build that"?

Remember a few months ago when you were telling me not to underestimate the stupidity of the American people wrt Obama? You made some good points, etc. However, It appears you may have underestimated the stupidity of Obama, or, his campaign, for letting him speak off-prompter, again. The one thing that trumps our stupidity, is the unmitigated stupidity of a politician, especially when he has bad ideas, and is allowed to express them extemporaneously.

 

How many more times are Obama's people going to make this mistake? I told you...sooner or later one of these handler F ups is going to cost them. I will grant you, the sheer volume of them made me think this would have happened a lot earlier.

 

But it looks like, this time, this one is going to stick. The hilarity is: the stupidity of the American people, if it is as you say, will ensure that all they hear/care about IS the so-called out of context soundbite we all now know and love.

[Doc]

I genuinely hope other independents get it like you do. One of the things I absolutely abhor about this president is that he so blatantly sticks in peoples' faces just how stupid he thinks they are. The problem is never what he's saying; it's that you're just too dumb to understand it, so if he would only have said it more slowly and given more consideration to your stupidity, no one would be criticizing his comments.

 

The voter ID issue is along the same lines: "Why don't you understand that poor minorities are just too stupid to figure out how to get a free ride to get a free photo ID so they can vote. By asking them to do these unbelievably difficult tasks, you're disenfranchising them."

 

It should be embarrassing and offensive to everyone. And yet, sadly, it's not.

Most of us have.

[OCinBuffalo]

Most of us have.

I wonder....do you also get the inverse? As in: if we are all given the same "infrastructure" to work with, then, why do only some of us succeed? If "infrastructure" is the reason that all business owners are successful, or if it is the main reason, then why aren't all businesses successful?

 

If that were the case, and since we all supposedly partake of government "infrastructure" equally(yeah, your highways and bridges have exactly 0 to do with my business, and, somehow I was able to make enterprise software before the internet so...horseshit...but I digress), then, wouldn't the lack of individual effort and/or ability be the only reason they fail?

 

So....the individual effort/ability, if we were to believe in this idiocy, would STILL be what makes the difference. I am certain Obama didn't intend to make this point, but he did all the same, didn't he?

 

Yet, these retards want the outcome to be equal...so that they can "pay" everyone equally, or at least insure there are no "rich" people. But, as individual, and not collective, effort makes all the difference, the outcome can NEVER be the same. Therefore, you can NEVER justifiably "pay" everyone the same.

 

Individuality is the only variable, it is supreme, and casual. This is why socialism/collectivism will NEVER work. It is predicated, as we see here, on logical fallacy and contradiction.

 

It's days like this that I wonder what giant douchebag, and giant Democrat, Larry Ellison(Oracle) has to say for himself. I wonder Larry, if you will come out and admit that it was anything, anything at all, other than Larry Ellison that built Oracle? Setting Larry's ego against his political party commitment....that would make for a very interesting...lunch...or nervous breakdown.

[Doc]

I wonder....do you also get the inverse? As in: if we are all given the same "infrastructure" to work with, then, why do only some of us succeed? If "infrastructure" is the reason that all business owners are successful, or if it is the main reason, then why aren't all businesses successful?

 

If that were the case, and since we all supposedly partake of government "infrastructure" equally(yeah, your highways and bridges have exactly 0 to do with my business, and, somehow I was able to make enterprise software before the internet so...horseshit...but I digress), then, wouldn't the lack of individual effort and/or ability be the only reason they fail?

 

So....the individual effort/ability, if we were to believe in this idiocy, would STILL be what makes the difference. I am certain Obama didn't intend to make this point, but he did all the same, didn't he?

 

Yet, these retards want the outcome to be equal...so that they can "pay" everyone equally, or at least insure there are no "rich" people. But, as individual, and not collective, effort makes all the difference, the outcome can NEVER be the same. Therefore, you can NEVER justifiably "pay" everyone the same.

 

Individuality is the only variable, it is supreme, and casual. This is why socialism/collectivism will NEVER work. It is predicated, as we see here, on logical fallacy and contradiction.

 

It's days like this that I wonder what giant douchebag, and giant Democrat, Larry Ellison(Oracle) has to say for himself. I wonder Larry, if you will come out and admit that it was anything, anything at all, other than Larry Ellison that built Oracle? Setting Larry's ego against his political party commitment....that would make for a very interesting...lunch...or nervous breakdown.

Oh, I definitely got the inverse. I would have used it to bash Barry's comments if he truly meant that a successful businessperson didn't build the roads and bridges.

[Nanker]

Pick the false quotation:

 

1. I can see Russia from my house!

 

2. What a waste it is to lose one's mind...

 

3. You didn't build that!

 

4. Of course I'll respect you in the morning.

[B-Man]

“If not un-American, the ideas that propel Obama’s re-election campaign are certainly unprecedented. . . .

 

The president’s central case rests on the idea that individuals should view government as society’s moral center, the engine of prosperity and the arbiter of fairness.

 

Traditionally speaking, that’s not a very American notion.

 

Surely, he’s not the first president to think it, but he’s probably the first to say it — and he says it over and over again.”

 

 

Reason

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[fjl2nd]

Reason

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B-man, how do you not get sick of these Op-ed pieces?? Lol.

 

As soon a writer drops the "Un-American" bomb, I'm done with them.

[....lybob]

B-man, how do you not get sick of these Op-ed pieces?? Lol.

 

As soon a writer drops the "Un-American" bomb, I'm done with them.

What you no likey Koch propaganda served up with a heaping serving of Ayn Rand

The Reason Foundation is funded, in part, by what are known as the "Koch Family Foundations,"[3] and David Koch serves as a Reason trustee

 

 

According to the Reason Foundation's 2009 Internal Revenue Source 990 return form, it took in $6 million in donation income against $6.7 million in expenses, with only $639,236 in subscription revenue and $113,575 in ad revenue

 

I love the absurdity of a rag that rabidly declares the market as sole arbitrator of what is good, effective and worthy of existence can't exist without it's donations.

[B-Man]

B-man, how do you not get sick of these Op-ed pieces?? Lol.

 

As soon a writer drops the "Un-American" bomb, I'm done with them.

 

 

 

A rather odd policy, since Mr. Obama has used the phrase "Un-American" many times.

 

You would have done well, to have actually read the article............your loss.

 

 

and ....lybob, you could have had someone read it to you.........................................

 

 

 

There's the gist of it,

 

The president’s central case rests on the idea that individuals should view government as society’s moral center, the engine of prosperity and the arbiter of fairness.

 

but you can't respond to it so you try and disparage the source.....................sorry, this response is all the effort that your nonsense is worth.

 

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Edited July 22, 2012 by B-Man

[WorldTraveller]

A rather odd policy, since Mr. Obama has used the phrase "Un-American" many times.

 

You would have done well, to have actually read the article............your loss.

 

 

and ....lybob, you could have had someone read it to you.........................................

 

 

 

There's the gist of it,

 

 

 

but you can't respond to it so you try and disparage the source.....................sorry, this response is all the effort that your nonsense is worth.

 

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I'm sorry, if you want to communicate with lybob more effectively , you'll need to get a video recorder and post it on YouTube

Edited July 22, 2012 by WorldTraveller

[B-Man]

You Didn't Build That

 

Readings from the Book of Barack

 

1 In the beginning Govt created the heavens and the earth.

2 Now the economy was formless and void, darkness was over the surface of the ATMs, and the Spirit of Govt was hovering over the land.

3 And Govt said, “Let there be spending,” and there was spending.

4 Govt saw that the spending was good, and that it separated the light from the darkness.

5 Govt called the spending Investments, and this he did in the first day.

6 Then Govt said, “Let there be roads and bridges across the waters, and let dams divide the waters from the waters.”

7 Thus Govt made the infrastructure and the patronage jobs for eternity under the firmament from the Potomac which was above the firmament; and it was so.

8 And Govt called the firmament Washington. This Govt did on the second day.

9 Then Govt said, “Let the regulations and the guidlines under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the Bureaus appear”; and it was so.

10 And Govt called the Bureaus demigovts, and the gathering together of them He called AFSCME. And Govt saw that it was good.

11 Then Govt said, “Let there be police, and firefighters, and teachers according to their kind, for they will create more jobs”; and it was so.

12 And then Govt bade the void bring forth crime, and arson, and stupidity, that each would yield seed to bring forth more police, and firefighters, and teachers, and jobs. And Govt saw that it was good.

13 So the evening and the morning were the third day.

14 On the fourth day Govt said, “Let Us make the economy in Our image, according to Our likeness; let it have dominion over the cars of the road, over the appliances of the supercenters, and over the pet groomers of the strip malls, over all the clickthroughs of Amazon and over every creepy thing of the Dollar Stores.”

15 So Govt created the economy in His own image; services and wholesale and retail He created them.

16 Then Govt blessed them, and Govt said to them, “Be fruitful and use the multiplier effect; fill the land with jobs; thou have dominion over thy realm, within limits, as long and thou remember to get thy permits and tithe thy taxes, for they are good. Hope to see you at the fundraiser.”

17 And on the fifth day Govt made an official Govt holiday, and headed off for a 3-day golf weekend at Camp David. But first Govt said to the economy, "you are free to eat from any tree in the garden, except the tree of Knowledge. There is a serpent in that thing, and thy health care does not cover it."

18 So when Govt was on vay-cay the economy set about the garden, plowing its fields and generating revenue for the glory of Govt. They obeyed the regulations and were not ashamed.

 

 

Continues at link

 

IowaHawk

 

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Edited July 22, 2012 by B-Man

[Park]

Go build your business in Somalia then if you "do it all by yourself"

[Rob's House]

In Dave's world there's socialism & then there's Somalia. Everything else is just fiction.

[Duck_dodgers007]

Can anyone tell me of a country with a weak government that is even remotely prosperous?

[TakeYouToTasker]

Can anyone tell me of a country with a weak government that is even remotely prosperous?

post hoc ergo propter hoc

[Rob's House]

Can anyone tell me of a country with a weak government that is even remotely prosperous?

Can anyone tell me of a person who is calling for a weak government?

[Duck_dodgers007]

No

fixed that for you

[Nanker]

"I like to fire people."