IDBillzFan Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 So you're using a quote from some whack job to tell me what Obama was saying? Ok...... The "whack job" was a hand-picked advisor to Obama and creator of his Consumer Financial Protection Bureau before being chosen to run against Scott Brown for his Mass. Senate seat in November. Look at her words. Look at his. Same point. Even the progressives know this and keep referring to Obama's words as a variation of the Warren quote. Now, I guess maybe this is where you suggest that Obama repeating the lines of a whack job who also happens to be a hand-picked advisor is really a stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 That's Chef's opinion, I can certainly respect his hard headed opinion, even though he's wrong. So where am I wrong? So you're saying that Obama was saying that people didn't build their businesses? if you can't follow the fact that he was saying they didn't built that road or that bridge you're the one with the hard head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Once again, he said, "f you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen." He didn't say "f you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build those. Somebody else made those happen. Once might be an OTT (off-the-teleprompter) gaffe. Twice is intentional. You can assume what he meant to say, but he didn't actually say it, and didn't say it twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Really guys. With all the other things to knock this SOB out of office you're going with the semantics of a line of a speech taken out of context? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Really guys. With all the other things to knock this SOB out of office you're going with the semantics of a line of a speech taken out of context? Yes, because no one wants to report on the other things to knock this SOB out of office. If this is what they'll all finally report on, great. This is who he is. You don't succeed without the government. I want people to truly decide if they want THIS kind of person getting four more years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 Really guys. With all the other things to knock this SOB out of office you're going with the semantics of a line of a speech taken out of context? Had he corrected his alleged gaffe by saying "f you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made those roads and bridges happen," I'd be less inclined to knock him. But taken in the context of him being a socialist who likes to demonize success, excuse failure, and would like everyone to be dependent on the government so that he can keep his job, I don't view it as a gaffe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 I sorry Chef, its not out of context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjl2nd Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 I thought you Romney backers wanted to stay on the real issues here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 heard a snippet from a romney speech refuting obama's idea by citing steve jobs and apple...only problem is jobs foundation was largely built by public dollars spent at nasa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 I thought you Romney backers wanted to stay on the real issues here... The real issue is raising taxes on small businesses, which as you said in the other thread, shouldn't happen since the Bush-era tax cuts should be extended for a year given the fragility of the economy. So which is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted July 20, 2012 Author Share Posted July 20, 2012 I thought you Romney backers wanted to stay on the real issues here... You don't think that there is a real difference between the way Obama views business and direction of the country and Romney's views? Obama's gaffe or whatever you want to call it was a major mistake on his part. It allows Obama's opposition to neatly show, in a few words, just how Obama thinks. It's another one of those statements that will just hang around. Remember "I was for it before I was against it"? "We have to pass it to know what's in it?" This one will last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldTraveller Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 This is the issue, big government vs smaller government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjl2nd Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 The real issue is raising taxes on small businesses, which as you said in the other thread, shouldn't happen since the Bush-era tax cuts should be extended for a year given the fragility of the economy. So which is it? I do think the cuts should be extended one more year. You don't think that there is a real difference between the way Obama views business and direction of the country and Romney's views? Obama's gaffe or whatever you want to call it was a major mistake on his part. It allows Obama's opposition to neatly show, in a few words, just how Obama thinks. It's another one of those statements that will just hang around. Remember "I was for it before I was against it"? "We have to pass it to know what's in it?" This one will last. I believe it was mostly a gaffe. I know what he was trying to say but it came out wrong. I think Romney's comments on firefighters, police, and teachers is in the same realm. And I agree that the candidates have different views for the direction of the country. Romney just hasn't really made it clear what his vision is though. It's just, "the economy is bad, elect me!". (To be fair, Obama's campaign is mostly attacks) Neither candidate is talking about the FUTURE. The one who can do that and convince the public their vision is right for the country will win. This is the issue, big government vs smaller government. Ehh, I don't really see it that way. Neither party has even shown ability to cut the size of government down. The Republicans like to claim they do it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 I do think the cuts should be extended one more year. Do you feel this way because of the obvious political benefits in an election year, or do you feel this way because lower taxes better spur economic growth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjl2nd Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 Do you feel this way because of the obvious political benefits in an election year, or do you feel this way because lower taxes better spur economic growth? The latter. Polling shows Americans want taxes raised on the wealthy so I don't think it would be politically popular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 Is there then a point that you do feel the Bush tax cuts should be allowed to expire and harm the economy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxrock Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 Did the state make you great? Why Obama’s “you didn’t build that,” IN CONTEXT, is gaffe of the year: Obama revealed. WAPO <br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjl2nd Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 Is there then a point that you do feel the Bush tax cuts should be allowed to expire and harm the economy? Obviously a biased question there. Just because taxes rise doesn't mean it will always harm the economy. It could very well be a good thing for the economy long term in decreasing our deficit and collecting more revenue. I said the cuts should be extended for one more year so we can let them expire in a non-election year. When unemployment has dropped a bit more and growth is consistent, taxes could then return to their previous levels to increase more revenue. I wouldn't be against keeping the middle class tax rates permanently. Did the state make you great? Why Obama’s “you didn’t build that,” IN CONTEXT, is gaffe of the year: Obama revealed. WAPO <br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> Obama could have explained his thoughts so much better. I think the point he was trying to drive home was that the economy itself is driven by everyone together. Businesses can't survive without customers, etc. When he got into talking about the government, he went to a dangerous place. I'm sure the Romney campaign will have a field day with this and pretend he stands for limited government. He needed a break like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 (edited) Obviously a biased question there. Just because taxes rise doesn't mean it will always harm the economy. It could very well be a good thing for the economy long term in decreasing our deficit and collecting more revenue. I said the cuts should be extended for one more year so we can let them expire in a non-election year. When unemployment has dropped a bit more and growth is consistent, taxes could then return to their previous levels to increase more revenue. I wouldn't be against keeping the middle class tax rates permanently. The truth of the matter is that imposing a tax or raising a tax already imposed always harms the economy. Simply put, a peoples decisions about taxation and spending always comes down to how much damage they are willing to do to the organic economy in favor of their particular brand of social engineering. Nothing the government does creates wealth, it only consumes it, so any transference into it destroys any productivity that wealth may have had. There is always a cost. Edited July 20, 2012 by TakeYouToTasker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 I sorry Chef, its not out of context. So a soundbyte that says "if you own a business you didn't build that" is not taken out if context???????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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