Overseas Bills Fan Posted June 4, 2012 Posted June 4, 2012 for me, it's a tie between TOP and off/def 3rd down conversion because they go hand in hand keeping a drive alive and killing an opponent's drive. the bills have been dreadful at this. in this 12 years of garbage, i've noticed the bills can't seem to convert third and short and can't seem to stop third and long. maybe it comes down to a receiver and a pass rush, but for some reason i always though it was more than that. any thoughts?
DrDawkinstein Posted June 4, 2012 Posted June 4, 2012 TOP is a good one. Turnovers, Penalties, and Sacks as well. I think Turnovers is a big one. Look at what those 4 INTs did for us against NE and Philly.
Wooderson Posted June 4, 2012 Posted June 4, 2012 I think 3rd down conversion % is quite important. If you can stop them on third down, as well as be efficient on your own third downs then there's a great chance for success.
truth on hold Posted June 4, 2012 Posted June 4, 2012 What makes a team excel at 3rd down conversions on offense or stops on defense ? After all it's just an outcome like the score. Need to understand why and how before you can improve on your #'s
Fan in San Diego Posted June 4, 2012 Posted June 4, 2012 for me, it's a tie between TOP and off/def 3rd down conversion because they go hand in hand keeping a drive alive and killing an opponent's drive. the bills have been dreadful at this. in this 12 years of garbage, i've noticed the bills can't seem to convert third and short and can't seem to stop third and long. maybe it comes down to a receiver and a pass rush, but for some reason i always though it was more than that. any thoughts? 3rd and long has been killing the Bills for years now. It's at the point when its 3rd and forever, I can call the play the other team will make to convert. Usually its the corners giving to much room and letting the WR make the catch. Or worse no one covering the WR and its an easy 1st down. Pathetic to say the least.
DrDawkinstein Posted June 4, 2012 Posted June 4, 2012 What makes a team excel at 3rd down conversions on offense or stops on defense ? After all it's just an outcome like the score. Need to understand why and how before you can improve on your #'s Getting that 3rd down stop on D is all about Pass Rush. Which is why we have been so bad at it, as Fan In San Diego points out. Hopefully, with the re-vamped DL, that will be changing...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted June 4, 2012 Posted June 4, 2012 (edited) Rushing yards per game is always a good stat and turnovers. Edited June 5, 2012 by BillsFan-4-Ever
eball Posted June 4, 2012 Posted June 4, 2012 I'll go with a tie between turnover differential and 3rd down conversion % (both offense and defense). 3rd down % leads directly to TOP, which others have mentioned.
NoSaint Posted June 4, 2012 Posted June 4, 2012 I'll go with a tie between turnover differential and 3rd down conversion % (both offense and defense). 3rd down % leads directly to TOP, which others have mentioned. those would be mine too - perhaps simplify the latter to differential as well
Gugny Posted June 4, 2012 Posted June 4, 2012 I'll go with a tie between turnover differential and 3rd down conversion % (both offense and defense). 3rd down % leads directly to TOP, which others have mentioned. I, too, agree with these. Turnover differential was easily proven last year in the first 3rd of the season.
Campy Posted June 4, 2012 Posted June 4, 2012 Average yards per attempt against the run. If your opponent can't run, they are forced to become one-dimmensional and, more often than not, you got 'em when that happens.
Homey D. Clown Posted June 4, 2012 Posted June 4, 2012 IR +1 you can't help the club when you're in the tub....
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 4, 2012 Posted June 4, 2012 IR Great choice. As for the TOP, it's a new NFL. The Jags, one of the worst offenses, only held the ball 27 seconds less than the best offense, GB. http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats/byteam?group=Offense&cat=Total&conference=NFL&year=season_2011&sort=530&timeframe=
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