Doc Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 Must read for anybody interested in this case. A juror writes a 6 page pdf file explaining how he came to his decisions. Mr. McButterpants told me I can't blame the girl at all. This juror was told the law, and he did think she had some blame.........I said I'm the only one who seems to be questioning the 20 feet she cut in front of the star witness. Funny how the News can keep saying 20 feet because that doesn't sound so bad. But, if you say 7 yards as I keep doing, you find out in there that the star witness actually got really pissed at her he said in his grand jury testimony. Two times she almost gets hit. Two times she never makes eye contact. She never even replies to the guy who stopped and asked if she's OK after he almost hits her. Just keeps on going...........Yeah, she deserves none of the blame. Like, me this juror has the most problem with Corasanti leaving the scene. He would like the law re-written and called Alix's Law Compelling After reading that, I'd be hard-pressed to convict him of anything more than DWI. And I can know say that had Lynch's case gone to trial, he probably wouldn't have gotten any more than what he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted June 4, 2012 Author Share Posted June 4, 2012 You know we can do the how many angels can dance on the head of a pin here forever. Bottom line,some one driving drunk hit and killed a person. But he was a good Doc, so it's alright. I find it odd that your run of the mill Drunk Driver, with a public defender, cannnot use the"but the victim was asking for it" excuse. But a wealthy Doc sure can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 You know we can do the how many angels can dance on the head of a pin here forever. Bottom line,some one driving drunk hit and killed a person. But he was a good Doc, so it's alright. I find it odd that your run of the mill Drunk Driver, with a public defender, cannnot use the"but the victim was asking for it" excuse. But a wealthy Doc sure can. Anybody can - it happens all the time. The should be outrage is he didn't get a hit and run from what I know. Here in LA part of the charge for vehicular homicide is proving alcohol was a direct part of the cause. Drunk driving is a terrible thing but if someone jumps in front of your car it's not homicide. I'm sure the texting makes things hazier in context of legality too. Like ive said, no lawyer here, but there are shades of grey in drunk driving accidents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle flap Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 Must read for anybody interested in this case. A juror writes a 6 page pdf file explaining how he came to his decisions. Mr. McButterpants told me I can't blame the girl at all. This juror was told the law, and he did think she had some blame.........I said I'm the only one who seems to be questioning the 20 feet she cut in front of the star witness. Funny how the News can keep saying 20 feet because that doesn't sound so bad. But, if you say 7 yards as I keep doing, you find out in there that the star witness actually got really pissed at her he said in his grand jury testimony. Two times she almost gets hit. Two times she never makes eye contact. She never even replies to the guy who stopped and asked if she's OK after he almost hits her. Just keeps on going...........Yeah, she deserves none of the blame. Like, me this juror has the most problem with Corasanti leaving the scene. He would like the law re-written and called Alix's Law Compelling After reading the juror's statement, I can better understand how he and the rest of the jurors decided to acquit. However, I still disagree with them. There is the letter of the law, and there is the spirit of the law. Judges and juries are there to weigh the evidence and make the appropriate decisions. Like many have already said here, the jurors were caught up in the minutia and couldn't see the forest for the trees. This juror's statement seems to back this up. The "reasonable doubt" that this guy came up with isn't all that reasonable when looked at as a whole. Imagine a jigsaw puzzle with a few missing pieces. Aren't you going to be able to complete the image even though you aren't 100% sure what is on those missing pieces? As I said earlier in this thread, I don't have all the facts and I wasn't present in the courtroom to hear the testimony, so perhaps I'd feel differently if I had been. But based on everything that I've seen and heard about this case, it seems like the jury dropped the ball. While it is certainly possible that Alix Rice's actions may have contributed to the accident, to me it doesn't absolve Corasanti from driving drunk and his subsequent actions. However reckless she might have been, the two other driver witnesses didn't hit her. Probably because they weren't drunk. The "blame" I would place on Alix is that she naively assumed the motorists were paying the proper amount of attention to the road and its surroundings. Teenagers are egocentric and have a sense of invincibility. I don't blame Alix for doing something millions of teenagers do all the time - taking a stupid risk. The main reason I don't buy the idea that she is at fault is that an innocent, sober, and attentive driver would've realized what he'd done, or at least suspected the possibility that he had struck someone. That attentive driver would've stayed at the scene and investigated, not tried to see if he could get away with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 After reading the juror's statement, I can better understand how he and the rest of the jurors decided to acquit. However, I still disagree with them. There is the letter of the law, and there is the spirit of the law. Judges and juries are there to weigh the evidence and make the appropriate decisions. Like many have already said here, the jurors were caught up in the minutia and couldn't see the forest for the trees. This juror's statement seems to back this up. The "reasonable doubt" that this guy came up with isn't all that reasonable when looked at as a whole. Imagine a jigsaw puzzle with a few missing pieces. Aren't you going to be able to complete the image even though you aren't 100% sure what is on those missing pieces? As I said earlier in this thread, I don't have all the facts and I wasn't present in the courtroom to hear the testimony, so perhaps I'd feel differently if I had been. But based on everything that I've seen and heard about this case, it seems like the jury dropped the ball. While it is certainly possible that Alix Rice's actions may have contributed to the accident, to me it doesn't absolve Corasanti from driving drunk and his subsequent actions. However reckless she might have been, the two other driver witnesses didn't hit her. Probably because they weren't drunk. The "blame" I would place on Alix is that she naively assumed the motorists were paying the proper amount of attention to the road and its surroundings. Teenagers are egocentric and have a sense of invincibility. I don't blame Alix for doing something millions of teenagers do all the time - taking a stupid risk. The main reason I don't buy the idea that she is at fault is that an innocent, sober, and attentive driver would've realized what he'd done, or at least suspected the possibility that he had struck someone. That attentive driver would've stayed at the scene and investigated, not tried to see if he could get away with it. I like your post. You read the juror's statement and didn't say "he was drunk - case closed." And, I do think like the juror said - they have to rewrite the law, in terms of the hit and run. I hate that the best move for drunk drivers is to leave the scene. The bolded part I have to disagree with. She posted on her facebook page something like she wants to die in a spectacular and exciting fashion. Her actions that night are not that of a normal teenager. It seems to be somebody wanting that wish to come true. Almost like suicide by cop......A normal teenager taking a bit of a risk would say after the first near miss - wow, that was close, I better settle down (and make eye contact with the drivers I'm cutting in front of). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills44 Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 I don't want to play amateur psychologist, but I think that the Facebook stuff is a stretch. If the jury honestly believed that Corasanti did not have any idea that he hit somebody, then they got it right. Let's not forget that this was not a love tap - the girl was thrown 50 yards by the impact, and had her neck badly broken. I refuse to believe that he had no idea that he hit something, bull **** BMW soundproofing/design excuses notwithstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 What about the Facebook stuff is a stretch? Linking her post and her actions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills44 Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 What about the Facebook stuff is a stretch? Linking her post and her actions? Yes. Perhaps she was skating recklessly ( as the defense oh so delicately stated), but being run over by a car while skateboarding is hardly a " spectacular" way to die. If she really wanted to die, why not skate in the middle of the road? I'm surprised that Corasanti hasn't countersued for the damage that the deceased caused to his car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 The crazy part about this juror believing that Corasanti didn't know he hit somebody was because he was too drunk to know. So, ironically being too drunk to know got him off! I had first read the juror's comments to mean the same as mine yesterday - that I think he took off because he knew he hit somebody and also knew that he would be found legally drunk. I also, after reading the setup of the road, the headlights of the star witness, her two near misses, totally believe that I could have hit her and I haven't had a drink in 17 years and have sent maybe two texts while driving in my life. But, I also would have them stopped. Yes. Perhaps she was skating recklessly ( as the defense oh so delicately stated), but being run over by a car while skateboarding is hardly a " spectacular" way to die. If she really wanted to die, why not skate in the middle of the road? I'm surprised that Corasanti hasn't countersued for the damage that the deceased caused to his car. She was in the middle of the road. Three times in 5 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills44 Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 (edited) She was literally in the middle of the road? I thought that the damage was to Corasanti's passenger side fender. If he was driving straight, that would indicate that she was on the right side of his car, not in the middle of the road. I drive on that road literally 3-4 times a week. It's a bit winding, so driving even 5 mph over the speed limit isn't a great idea. Especially after you've been drinking Edited June 4, 2012 by bills44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 She was literally in the middle of the road? I thought that the damage was to Corasanti's passenger side fender. If he was driving straight, that would indicate that she was on the right side of his car, not in the middle of the road. First guy nearly hit her. I'm sure he wasn't driving on the shoulder or he wouldn't have been a witness for the defense. 2nd guy and star witness for the prosecution said in his grand jury testimony that she cut across the road right in front of his car, and he was really mad. The accident reconstruction expert for the defense - who the jury believed - showed how she was in the road when she got hit, angling to the shoulder, but never made it there (which the prosecution never refuted). Three times in five minutes - come on. If you don't think flying 50 yards is a pretty spectacular way to die, you must have really big plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills44 Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 First guy nearly hit her. I'm sure he wasn't driving on the shoulder or he wouldn't have been a witness for the defense. 2nd guy and star witness for the prosecution said in his grand jury testimony that she cut across the road right in front of his car, and he was really mad. The accident reconstruction expert for the defense - who the jury believed - showed how she was in the road when she got hit, angling to the shoulder, but never made it there (which the prosecution never refuted). Three times in five minutes - come on. If you don't think flying 50 yards is a pretty spectacular way to die, you must have really big plans. I guess I really don't put much stock into what kids say on social media sites. If she knew that she was going to get hit, and then fly 50 yards, then she had a much better understanding of physics than I did at the age of 18. Regardless, I'm more concerned about the juror's belief that there was "reasonable" doubt that Corasanti knew he hit something. After all, these other witnesses saw her, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 Must read for anybody interested in this case. A juror writes a 6 page pdf file explaining how he came to his decisions. Mr. McButterpants told me I can't blame the girl at all. This juror was told the law, and he did think she had some blame.........I said I'm the only one who seems to be questioning the 20 feet she cut in front of the star witness. Funny how the News can keep saying 20 feet because that doesn't sound so bad. But, if you say 7 yards as I keep doing, you find out in there that the star witness actually got really pissed at her he said in his grand jury testimony. Two times she almost gets hit. Two times she never makes eye contact. She never even replies to the guy who stopped and asked if she's OK after he almost hits her. Just keeps on going...........Yeah, she deserves none of the blame. Like, me this juror has the most problem with Corasanti leaving the scene. He would like the law re-written and called Alix's Law Compelling She got her wish? Why is everybody mad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills44 Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 She got her wish? Why is everybody mad? You seem cool with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 I guess I really don't put much stock into what kids say on social media sites. If she knew that she was going to get hit, and then fly 50 yards, then she had a much better understanding of physics than I did at the age of 18. Regardless, I'm more concerned about the juror's belief that there was "reasonable" doubt that Corasanti knew he hit something. After all, these other witnesses saw her, right? You know that curve better than me. What do you think about what the juror said in terms of the curve, and the way the headlights from Mr. Rowland's car would be sort of blinding, the fact that Corisanti claims to have never seen anybody skateboarding on that road that late (so the last thing he'd be expecting when getting around the headlights is a skateboarder)? I'm honestly wondering. Do you know the place that she got hit? Regarding what she said on Facebook and her behavior, did she know the exact physics? No.......Did she act like somebody who is self-destructive and perhaps had a death wish? Yes. I was seriously pissed at the ahole that I mentioned earlier - walking in the middle of Delaware Avenue in the rain in December, when it's dark at 5PM - all in black. If I had hit him, it would have been about 90% his fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 You know that curve better than me. What do you think about what the juror said in terms of the curve, and the way the headlights from Mr. Rowland's car would be sort of blinding, the fact that Corisanti claims to have never seen anybody skateboarding on that road that late (so the last thing he'd be expecting when getting around the headlights is a skateboarder)? I'm honestly wondering. Do you know the place that she got hit? Regarding what she said on Facebook and her behavior, did she know the exact physics? No.......Did she act like somebody who is self-destructive and perhaps had a death wish? Yes. I was seriously pissed at the ahole that I mentioned earlier - walking in the middle of Delaware Avenue in the rain in December, when it's dark at 5PM - all in black. If I had hit him, it would have been about 90% his fault. I know.. I know... But the burden is on the drive NOT to hit anyone. If you do, you don't have your car in complete control. Go slower, crawl if needed... The nature of the road takes over on how you control your vehicle. Like here on the river. A pilot of tow is running in the fog... Sure they can use their radar... But if they hit anything, it is their fault totally. They should have stopped and layed up until the fog lifted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 Are you kidding me. I doubt I would have got so much as a ticket, since their would have been witnesses, if I hit that idiot walking right in the middle of the lane on Delaware. BTW, in case anybody missed it, this was the testimony of the first guy to almost hit her: Andrew Calabrese, 20, of Getzville was next to take the stand. He told the courtroom he was approaching Heim Road from Dodge on the night of the deadly accident when he spotted Alexandria Rice on her skateboard, moments before she would be struck and killed. Calabrese, a Canisius College student, told jurors that Rice was five feet in front of his car before he saw her as she crossed the road directly on front of him and that he had to swerve. He said he got out of his car and yelled to see if she was okay. "Thought I hit them," Calabrese said. Daniels asked if she turned around after Calabrese yelled out to her. "No," Calabrese told jurors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 Are skateboards even legal to ride on public roads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 Are skateboards even legal to ride on public roads? I'm pretty sure they are. Probably just like a bike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philly McButterpants Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 Must read for anybody interested in this case. A juror writes a 6 page pdf file explaining how he came to his decisions. Mr. McButterpants told me I can't blame the girl at all. This juror was told the law, and he did think she had some blame.........I said I'm the only one who seems to be questioning the 20 feet she cut in front of the star witness. Funny how the News can keep saying 20 feet because that doesn't sound so bad. But, if you say 7 yards as I keep doing, you find out in there that the star witness actually got really pissed at her he said in his grand jury testimony. Two times she almost gets hit. Two times she never makes eye contact. She never even replies to the guy who stopped and asked if she's OK after he almost hits her. Just keeps on going...........Yeah, she deserves none of the blame. Like, me this juror has the most problem with Corasanti leaving the scene. He would like the law re-written and called Alix's Law Compelling Gee I'm glad she didn't land in your yard. You'd be out there yelling at her to get off your lawn . . . I'm also certain that you never felt invincible and did wreckless things when you were 18. You've convinced me. Because she crossed the street 3 carlengths in front of another driver, the whole damn thing is her fault. NOT the fault of the 50 something respected member of the community, who is supposed to act like an ADULT, not put pedestrians, cyclists and boarders at risk by driving drunk, texting while driving, and then FLEEING THE ***KING SCENE. Yup, must be her fault. Damn kids . . . But you keep defending the indefensible and put some of the blame on the girl. It speaks well of you . . . it really does . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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