CodeMonkey Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 And so it begins. I predict the first loss, this place will be a mess. As opposed to every other year?
K-9 Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 And so it begins. I predict the first loss, this place will be a mess. First loss? Hell, this place will implode in pre-season when VY is lighting it up against second and third stringers playing vanilla defenses. GO BILLS!!!
Dorkington Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 First loss? Hell, this place will implode in pre-season when VY is lighting it up against second and third stringers playing vanilla defenses. GO BILLS!!! Good point. Maybe I'll just stick to reading a couple articles on Buffalo Rumblings vs coming here, simply to save my sanity.
PromoTheRobot Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 (edited) Fitz is under the gun as much as Fred Jackson is with CJ Spiller behind him, or Kelsay with Mark Anderson, or Terrence McGee with Stephon Gilmore, etc. Nix and Gailey create competition to keep players focused and expectations to perform high. How is that a bad thing? PTR Edited May 24, 2012 by PromoTheRobot
NoSaint Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 That's not true. They only signed him to a one year deal because they didn't know what they were getting. if last year is any indication, VY likely demanded a 1 year deal, and is part of why he sat so long. in philly he refused to sign two years like they wanted as he wants as many shots at the open market as he can get right now, on the chance he starts and plays great.
Gugny Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 Anyone who honestly thinks Vince Young could possibly EVER be an upgrade over Fitz is an idiot.
Billsrhody Posted May 24, 2012 Author Posted May 24, 2012 Anyone who honestly thinks Vince Young could possibly EVER be an upgrade over Fitz is an idiot. Woah slow down.. its not like we're talking about Brady or Manning. This is Ryan Fitzpatrick, you know, the journey man QB who hasn't proved he can win consistently. Why can't Vince Young be at least as good as that? Anyone who puts Fitz on such a high pedestal is blinded by fanhood.
RyanC883 Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 So what happens if the Bills start out 0-8 and Fitz has thrown 4 tds and 15 ints? All I'm saying is.. its not impossible that Vince gets a shot. I agree. I think Fitz would have to play HORRIBLE for Vince to get a shot, but 4 tds and 15ints would be horrible, esp. with the talent around him. That said, Fitz is on the hot seat either way. Even if Young doesn't come in, if Fitz plays poorly (which i don't expect) he will be cut, and replaced by a draft pick next year, or Young + draft pick. Anyone who honestly thinks Vince Young could possibly EVER be an upgrade over Fitz is an idiot. Yeah, Fitz made how many pro bowls again............ Woah slow down.. its not like we're talking about Brady or Manning. This is Ryan Fitzpatrick, you know, the journey man QB who hasn't proved he can win consistently. Why can't Vince Young be at least as good as that? Anyone who puts Fitz on such a high pedestal is blinded by fanhood. Yep. I have Fitz as a mid-level QB. There are those out there who can be better than him. He can get the job done. The only question is will he. Fitz is under the gun as much as Fred Jackson is with CJ Spiller begind him, or Kelsay with Mark Anderson, or Terrence McGee with Stephon Gilmore, etc. Nix and Gailey create competition to keep players focused and expectations to perform high. How is that a bad thing? PTR Not a bad thing at all!
Best Player Available Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 The Bills have said it time after time that this is Fitzpatrick's team. If Fitz kraps the bed he probably has the 2013 season to try one last time.At least for a Trent Edwards type beginning of season, before they pull the rug.. Having VY is great. We may possibly have a good back up if Fitz goes down for a week or two. Maybe push him, but I doubt he's a threat to Fitz's job security.
1billsfan Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 No one on the Bills has more pressure on him than Ryan Fitzpatrick. This was the case before Vince Young and it's still the case after he's been signed. He's the starting QB. The team has playoff expectations this year. Given his age, he's reached the "do or die" "are you or are you not a franchise QB" stage of his career. If he can't handle the pressure, doesn't play to the lofty expectations, then Young will get his shot before they go selecting a QB in next year's 1st round. I don't see how there can be any reasonable disagreement with this. Not by Fitzpatrick, the team, the coaches or the fans. Fitzpatrick is too old not to think 2012 is his make it or break it year.
FleaMoulds80 Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 (edited) That's not true. They only signed him to a one year deal because they didn't know what they were getting. Nobody can argue that Young has more physical ability in his sleep then Fitz has ever had period, but his problems have been mental and nothing more. If Fitz were to stink the joint up again like he did the second half of last year or get hurt and Young came in and played lights out, there is a good chance that they offer him an extension, which he probably will take since the Bills were the only team willing to give him a chance. Let's just hope Fitz sets the world on fire and that other scenario's don't happen. Not a chance that Belicheat pulls a healthy Brady no matter what the stats are, your crazy if you think otherwise. It is true. How do they not know what they're getting? They have plenty of material and know exactly what they're getting when they signed him to that 1 year contract. If you're saying they signd him to a 1 year contract without knowing what they were getting with him, then you're basically saying our front office is run by a bunch of morons that didnt do their homework. Young's problem has been more than just the mental aspect. He's not that good of a QB and just because hes bigger and faster means nothing at the QB position. I'm sure Vince is bigger and faster than the Mannings and has a better body then Brady but so what? Fitz is the leader of thsi team and Young will NEVER be a leader of any team. That says enough. I agree. I think Fitz would have to play HORRIBLE for Vince to get a shot, but 4 tds and 15ints would be horrible, esp. with the talent around him. That said, Fitz is on the hot seat either way. Even if Young doesn't come in, if Fitz plays poorly (which i don't expect) he will be cut, and replaced by a draft pick next year, or Young + draft pick. Yeah, Fitz made how many pro bowls again............ Yep. I have Fitz as a mid-level QB. There are those out there who can be better than him. He can get the job done. The only question is will he. Not a bad thing at all! Pro Bowl means nothing. It's just a popularity contest. Vince young made the Pro Bowl in the 2006-07 and 2009-10 seasons. In those 2 seasons COMBINED, he posted 22 TD passes to 20 INTs. Ryan Fitzpatrick posted 24 TDs and 23 INTs in one season. So Young's Pro Bowl seasons mean jack so don't bring that up as an argument again. EVER Edited May 24, 2012 by FleaMoulds80
K-9 Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 No one on the Bills has more pressure on him than Ryan Fitzpatrick. This was the case before Vince Young and it's still the case after he's been signed. He's the starting QB. The team has playoff expectations this year. Given his age, he's reached the "do or die" "are you or are you not a franchise QB" stage of his career. If he can't handle the pressure, doesn't play to the lofty expectations, then Young will get his shot before they go selecting a QB in next year's 1st round. I don't see how there can be any reasonable disagreement with this. Not by Fitzpatrick, the team, the coaches or the fans. Fitzpatrick is too old not to think 2012 is his make it or break it year. Good post. GO BILLS!!!
Billsrhody Posted May 24, 2012 Author Posted May 24, 2012 It is true. How do they not know what they're getting? They have plenty of material and know exactly what they're getting when they signed him to that 1 year contract. If you're saying they signd him to a 1 year contract without knowing what they were getting with him, then you're basically saying our front office is run by a bunch of morons that didnt do their homework. Young's problem has been more than just the mental aspect. He's not that good of a QB and just because hes bigger and faster means nothing at the QB position. I'm sure Vince is bigger and faster than the Mannings and has a better body then Brady but so what? Fitz is the leader of thsi team and Young will NEVER be a leader of any team. That says enough. Pro Bowl means nothing. It's just a popularity contest. Vince young made the Pro Bowl in the 2006-07 and 2009-10 seasons. In those 2 seasons COMBINED, he posted 22 TD passes to 20 INTs. Ryan Fitzpatrick posted 24 TDs and 23 INTs in one season. So Young's Pro Bowl seasons mean jack so don't bring that up as an argument again. EVER If Vince young is that bad.. then why did they bring him in at all? Obviously they saw something they liked. How about adding in his 900 rushing yards and 9 rushing TDs for those two seasons as well? The man made the pro bowl for a reason.. you can't just dismiss it as unimportant. Voting breaks down like this: 1/3 players, 1/3 coaches, 1/3 fans. How is that a popularity contest?
Meathead Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 listen i like fitz and dont have much confidence vy will ever be starting material again, if he ever even really was but anybody who thinks there wont be a qb controversy at some point is fooling themselves. id even say chuddy is telling a white lie by playing down the possibility of vy challenging fitz at some point. whether hes washed up or not, given his background and experience if vy makes the team it seems almost inevitable its easy to see it happening just like its happened jillions of times before - starter struggles for a while (normal for most qbs), then gets injured, backup comes in, lights it up, BOOM goes the dynamite lots of times it happens cuz the opponent doesnt make adjustments fast enough, even after a couple games. often the new hero cant sustain their magic once defenses do adapt and the sudden star quickly goes back to sucking obscurity none of that will be remembered in those frantic moments when the established starter is throwing ugly picks and the backup who got the chance is scoring tds as soon as he comes in. whether thats a real picture of what will happen long term or not the screams will be for the new guy regardless and in this case, vy wont even have to do anything good, people will clamor for him the minute fitz has a bad game - even before the game is over! i dont think vy has it in him, i mean i think he could be that flash in the pan again that makes a coach consider a qb change, but as a long term starter i dont think he has the ability to read defenses fast enough to overcome complex gameplans on a permanent basis. nevertheless, as a bills fan i hope he finally puts it all (his head) together this time and becomes at least a good backup if not long term starting candidate. not holding my breath tho
K-9 Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 If Vince young is that bad.. then why did they bring him in at all? Obviously they saw something they liked. How about adding in his 900 rushing yards and 9 rushing TDs for those two seasons as well? The man made the pro bowl for a reason.. you can't just dismiss it as unimportant. Voting breaks down like this: 1/3 players, 1/3 coaches, 1/3 fans. How is that a popularity contest? Because he's better than Thigpen who is all but guaranteed to be cut. There won't be much of a competition for the backup spot. If VY doesn't beat out Thigpen, there is no hope for him as a backup QB, let alone a starting one. GO BILLS!!!
BUFFALOTONE Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 Fitzpatrick under the gun Mr. Sandman is now looking over Fitzpatrick's shoulder. The Bills signed former Tennessee Titans and Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Vince Young to a one-year contract earlier this month. Young is making backup money (only $350,000 of his contract is guaranteed) and the two-time Pro Bowler is saying all the right things in accepting a backup role, but Young is a 6-foot-5, 243-pound quarterback with a great arm, two Pro Bowls on his resume and more mobility than Fitzpatrick. If the Bills struggle on offense, and the heat gets turned up on Gailey, how long can he wait before making a switch? Fitzpatrick's contract contained $24 million in guaranteed money, of which $15 million -- a $10 million signing bonus from last October and $5 million option bonus from March -- has already been paid. The $2.88 million in partially guaranteed base salary in 2012 is safe, but that's not the case for the remaining $6.2 million. Another average season while running in place in the win column could prompt the Bills to consider cutting ties with Fitzpatrick, whose cap number is set to jump from $6 million in 2012 to $10.45 million 2013. That decision would likely be made before a $3 million roster bonus comes due on the second day of the 2013 league year. Is Vince Young really a threat to start? VY has a great arm? Really? Says who?The guy floats everything, no thanks would rather see Fitz struggle than VY throw ducks all over the place.
Meathead Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 Because he's better than Thigpen who is all but guaranteed to be cut. yeah im not even so sure about that i never wanted thigpen here but lets look at this rationally in his only season as *the* starter (kc 2008, 14 g, 11 starts) he had 18/12 td/int, 55% compl%, 2600 yds, 2 fumbles lost, and 26 sacks. painfully pedestrian but not at all 'bad' and most importantly fewer turnovers than tds (very key) and a relatively modest number of sacks for his exp level that was his second season and was playing for chan as oc. you would think most likely he has progressed far beyond that simply from mental nfl reps alone. but even at that production he would be a reasonably serviceable stopgap for a few games until fitz returned from an injury. granted he looked like lukewarm vomit last preseason but thats really not relevant at all compared to actual season stats in terms of reliability lets put it this way, you could do a whole hell of a lot worse - as in vince young for philly last season. in just three starts vy combined for 8 picks and just four passing tds. which incidentally was his best passing td rate for any season he has started games but still was dwarfed by a downright ugly number of picks for a team apparently built for his skill set if you start getting that kind of play in the middle of the season when the bills are in the playoff/division hunt, believe me you will be LONGING for thigpens painfully pedestrian production so again, could you do a lot worse than thigpen? hell yeah you could. am i hoping with all my might thigpen gets replaced? hell yeah i am. but if he doesnt i dont think thats near the catastrophy that many bflo fans apparently believe it is
John from Riverside Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 The ONLY way Young starts over Fitz in any scenario....is injury And thats how it should be
....lybob Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 The competition won't be between Fitz and Young it will be Young vs Thigpen for the Backup and Young vs Smith for the Wildcat- IMO it could by Fitz and Young with Nesbitt being the Emergency QB and a QB on the practice squad.
Rockinon Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 So what happens if the Bills start out 0-8 and Fitz has thrown 4 tds and 15 ints? All I'm saying is.. its not impossible that Vince gets a shot. Fitz would have to be playing with a broken leg or a broken arm before that would ever happen.
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