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Only in America---top ten

 

1) Only in America could politicians talk about the greed of the rich

 

at a $35,000 a plate campaign fund raising event.

 

2) Only in America could people claim that the government still

 

discriminates against black Americans when we have a black President,

 

a black Attorney General, and roughly 18% of the federal workforce is

 

black. 12% of the population is black.

 

3) Only in America could we have had the two people most responsible

 

for our tax code, Timothy Geithner, the head of the Treasury

 

Department and Charles Rangel who once ran the Ways and Means

 

Committee, BOTH turn out to be tax cheats who are in favor of higher

 

taxes.

 

4) Only in America can we have terrorists kill people in the name of

 

Allah and have the media primarily react by fretting that Muslims

 

might be harmed by the backlash.

 

5) Only in America would we make people who want to legally become

 

American citizens wait for years in their home countries and pay tens

 

of thousands of dollars for the privilege while we discuss letting

 

anyone who sneaks into the country illegally just become American

 

citizens.

 

6) Only in America could the people who believe in balancing the

 

budget and sticking by the country's Constitution be thought of as

 

"extremists."

 

7) Only in America could you need to present a driver's license to

 

cash a check or buy alcohol, but not to vote.

 

8) Only in America could people demand the government investigate

 

whether oil companies are gouging the public because the price of gas

 

went up when the return on equity invested in a major U.S. oil company

 

(Marathon Oil) is less than half of a company making tennis shoes

 

(Nike).

 

9) Only in America could the government collect more tax dollars from

 

the people than any nation in recorded history, still spend a trillion

 

dollars more than it has per year for total spending of $7 million PER

 

MINUTE, and complain that it doesn't have nearly enough money.

 

10) Only in America could the rich people who pay 86% of all income

 

taxes be accused of not paying their "fair share" by people who don't

 

pay any income taxes at all.

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Great list! It's both funny and sad - largely because much of it is true.

 

Principled problems with 2, 7, 8 though.

 

But 70% is good enough at most colleges and universites. :thumbsup:

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Great list! It's both funny and sad - largely because much of it is true.

 

Principled problems with 2, 7, 8 though.

 

But 70% is good enough at most colleges and universites. :thumbsup:

 

 

Just a fun little list. I don't understand why you dispute #'s 2, 7, and 8 though. There goes the fun!

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Just a fun little list. I don't understand why you dispute #'s 2, 7, and 8 though. There goes the fun!

 

Well really only just 7. I see voting as a fundamental right. There are many ways to substantiate identity. It should take a compelling reason and something narrowly tailored to accomplish a very specific and compelling objective to restrict voting access.

 

2 - yea, I agree that discrimination in the *government* is slim to none. But because of the approximately one-generation separation between the last vestiges of Jim Crow/segregation (basically beginning at the point of full school integration) to today, I think government support for affirmative action programs is warranted. I know that wasn't your point though so drop 2 from the dispute list.

 

8 - just don't care that much. Only point there is that I see pricey athletic shoes as more of a "want" commodity and gas as a "need."

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Well really only just 7. I see voting as a fundamental right. There are many ways to substantiate identity. It should take a compelling reason and something narrowly tailored to accomplish a very specific and compelling objective to restrict voting access.

 

2 - yea, I agree that discrimination in the *government* is slim to none. But because of the approximately one-generation separation between the last vestiges of Jim Crow/segregation (basically beginning at the point of full school integration) to today, I think government support for affirmative action programs is warranted. I know that wasn;t you point though so drop 2 from the dispute list.

 

8 - just don't care that much. Only point there is I see pricey athletic shoes as more of a "want" commodity and gas a need.

 

 

Hey, buying a bottle of vodka is my right too. That doesn't mean I can avoid showing proof of age and thus identity.

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Well really only just 7. I see voting as a fundamental right. There are many ways to substantiate identity. It should take a compelling reason and something narrowly tailored to accomplish a very specific and compelling objective to restrict voting access.

 

That's the only one I disagreed with your disagreement of.

 

And I'd counter your argument that "rights" also convey "responsibilities", including the responsibility to identify yourself as the voter you claim to be. Or, even better, argue that voter ID - as long as its free and non-discriminatory (you're eligible to vote, you're eligible to get a voter ID at no cost to yourself), is important because it protects the rights of the voters against fraud.

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As far as the terrorists go, the book I am still reading had Donald Rumsfeld talking about the difference between Muslims and Islamic Extremists, differentiating them between one being a religion and the other being a militant political movement. In that sense, I can see where the good people are being wronged, having to be linked to people who they are against, and are against them.

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Only in America---top ten

 

1) Only in America could politicians talk about the greed of the rich

 

at a $35,000 a plate campaign fund raising event.

 

2) Only in America could people claim that the government still

 

discriminates against black Americans when we have a black President,

 

a black Attorney General, and roughly 18% of the federal workforce is

 

black. 12% of the population is black.

 

3) Only in America could we have had the two people most responsible

 

for our tax code, Timothy Geithner, the head of the Treasury

 

Department and Charles Rangel who once ran the Ways and Means

 

Committee, BOTH turn out to be tax cheats who are in favor of higher

 

taxes.

 

4) Only in America can we have terrorists kill people in the name of

 

Allah and have the media primarily react by fretting that Muslims

 

might be harmed by the backlash.

 

5) Only in America would we make people who want to legally become

 

American citizens wait for years in their home countries and pay tens

 

of thousands of dollars for the privilege while we discuss letting

 

anyone who sneaks into the country illegally just become American

 

citizens.

 

6) Only in America could the people who believe in balancing the

 

budget and sticking by the country's Constitution be thought of as

 

"extremists."

 

7) Only in America could you need to present a driver's license to

 

cash a check or buy alcohol, but not to vote.

 

8) Only in America could people demand the government investigate

 

whether oil companies are gouging the public because the price of gas

 

went up when the return on equity invested in a major U.S. oil company

 

(Marathon Oil) is less than half of a company making tennis shoes

 

(Nike).

 

9) Only in America could the government collect more tax dollars from

 

the people than any nation in recorded history, still spend a trillion

 

dollars more than it has per year for total spending of $7 million PER

 

MINUTE, and complain that it doesn't have nearly enough money.

 

10) Only in America could the rich people who pay 86% of all income

 

taxes be accused of not paying their "fair share" by people who don't

 

pay any income taxes at all.

 

 

10- You do realize that 20% of 20,000 is less in amount but hurts more compared to 15% of 100 million...

 

you see, we have this thing called purchasing power.

 

:wallbash: :wallbash:

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10- You do realize that 20% of 20,000 is less in amount but hurts more compared to 15% of 100 million...

 

you see, we have this thing called purchasing power.

 

:wallbash: :wallbash:

 

I just posted this link in response to another one of your posts, but it's worth repeating

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/americans-making-over-50000-year-paid-933-percent-all-taxes-2010

 

I am the 93.3%

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yeah, but part of that was on free money from tax subsidies.

 

14% of 80 is less than 14% of 100.

 

you have to count the gains after 80 against the 14% of 80, and then you will see how much he really paid... its probably close to zero

 

What?

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yeah, but part of that was on free money from tax subsidies.

 

14% of 80 is less than 14% of 100.

 

you have to count the gains after 80 against the 14% of 80, and then you will see how much he really paid... its probably close to zero

 

Romney didn't get tax subsidies.

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That's the only one I disagreed with your disagreement of.

 

And I'd counter your argument that "rights" also convey "responsibilities", including the responsibility to identify yourself as the voter you claim to be. Or, even better, argue that voter ID - as long as its free and non-discriminatory (you're eligible to vote, you're eligible to get a voter ID at no cost to yourself), is important because it protects the rights of the voters against fraud.

To piggy back on this, every fraudulent vote essentially invalidates one person's legitimate vote, therefore depriving him of his voting rights. If you prevent x legitimate voters from voting by requiring ID but prevent 2x fraudulent voters, you've increased voter participation by x.

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To piggy back on this, every fraudulent vote essentially invalidates one person's legitimate vote, therefore depriving him of his voting rights. If you prevent x legitimate voters from voting by requiring ID but prevent 2x fraudulent voters, you've increased voter participation by x.

 

im totally for voter id, as long as it is really just a voter id, and the state helps poor people get it.

 

Romney is not Bain Capital.

 

 

no, he only owned part of it :wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash:

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