MARCELL DAREUS POWER Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 You are blaming the "right" for the abomination that is Detroit? Why are the states/cities that are most in financial trouble the states that are the "bluest"? "free trade and outsourcing all manufacturing in detroit to mexico and china, then ill know you are serious. when you say the drug war should end and is the new jim crow, then ill know you are serious. when you talk about capitalist encirclement/anti-union encirclement, then ill know you are serious. when you talk about the 67 riots and the history of the cultural south in michigan, then ill know you are serious..." --- me mdp did you read what i said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted May 14, 2012 Share Posted May 14, 2012 "free trade and outsourcing all manufacturing in detroit to mexico and china, then ill know you are serious. when you say the drug war should end and is the new jim crow, then ill know you are serious. when you talk about capitalist encirclement/anti-union encirclement, then ill know you are serious. when you talk about the 67 riots and the history of the cultural south in michigan, then ill know you are serious..." --- me mdp did you read what i said? You dumbass. You were arguing in another thread that if Romney had his way all the jobs at GM and Chrysler would of been shipped off to China and Mexico, but Obama saved the day. So now you are arguing against Clinton's free trade agreements and stating that all of Detroit's problems are caused by the jobs being shipped away? You are not even worth having a discussion with. I'm surprised DCTom spent the time arguing with you this afternoon. You are a complete waste of earth's oxygen. You make Conner, pBills and lyrbob look smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARCELL DAREUS POWER Posted May 14, 2012 Share Posted May 14, 2012 (edited) You dumbass. You were arguing in another thread that if Romney had his way all the jobs at GM and Chrysler would of been shipped off to China and Mexico, but Obama saved the day. So now you are arguing against Clinton's free trade agreements and stating that all of Detroit's problems are caused by the jobs being shipped away? You are not even worth having a discussion with. I'm surprised DCTom spent the time arguing with you this afternoon. You are a complete waste of earth's oxygen. You make Conner, pBills and lyrbob look smart. so i said if romney was in charge, all the jobs would be shipped overseas. yes i agree yes, i am against clintons free trade, this outsources jobs... is this a partisan implication? im not a democrat... wtf??? Edited May 14, 2012 by MARCELL DAREUS POWER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted May 14, 2012 Share Posted May 14, 2012 so i said if romney was in charge, all the jobs would be shipped overseas. yes i agree yes, i am against clintons free trade, this outsources jobs... is this a partisan implication? im not a democrat... wtf??? "Free Trade" alone doesn't outsource jobs. "Free Trade" + unreasonable corporate leadership + unreasonable union demands + overbearing government = outsourced jobs. For whatever reason, most people don't understand competition or the things that drive/dilute it. Your assertion is far too simple to be realistic. At the end of the day, it's all about "me first". Until Republicans and Democrats can start pointing the wagging fingers back at themselves, nothing changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted May 14, 2012 Share Posted May 14, 2012 "free trade and outsourcing all manufacturing in detroit to mexico and china, then ill know you are serious. when you say the drug war should end and is the new jim crow, then ill know you are serious. when you talk about capitalist encirclement/anti-union encirclement, then ill know you are serious. when you talk about the 67 riots and the history of the cultural south in michigan, then ill know you are serious..." --- me mdp did you read what i said? 67 riots? No question you hit all time top buffoon on PPP. And that is no small feat here. Capitalist encirclment? Oh please go on. This is classic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted May 14, 2012 Share Posted May 14, 2012 Welcome to PPP, don't feed the trolls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted May 14, 2012 Share Posted May 14, 2012 so i said if romney was in charge, all the jobs would be shipped overseas. yes i agree yes, i am against clintons free trade, this outsources jobs... is this a partisan implication? im not a democrat... wtf??? So, if Romney was in charge, the jobs in Detroit would have been sent overseas, but they were sent overseas anyway and that is the problem with Detroit? Gotcha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARCELL DAREUS POWER Posted May 14, 2012 Share Posted May 14, 2012 So, if Romney was in charge, the jobs in Detroit would have been sent overseas, but they were sent overseas anyway and that is the problem with Detroit? Gotcha. free trade is not exclusive to repubs... :wallbash: :wallbash: "Free Trade" alone doesn't outsource jobs. "Free Trade" + unreasonable corporate leadership + unreasonable union demands + overbearing government = outsourced jobs. For whatever reason, most people don't understand competition or the things that drive/dilute it. Your assertion is far too simple to be realistic. At the end of the day, it's all about "me first". Until Republicans and Democrats can start pointing the wagging fingers back at themselves, nothing changes. totally reasonable for workers to piss on themselves! love that free trade. im sure dense repubs are for free trade because it says "free"... :wallbash: who can be against freedom, except they leave out that whole part of freedom to keep slaves... :wallbash: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted May 14, 2012 Share Posted May 14, 2012 free trade is not exclusive to repubs... :wallbash: :wallbash: totally reasonable for workers to piss on themselves! love that free trade. im sure dense repubs are for free trade because it says "free"... :wallbash: who can be against freedom, except they leave out that whole part of freedom to keep slaves... :wallbash: You can't even respond to the issue at hand. Romney wanted to send all of Detroit's jobs overseas, but since he wasn't in charge they were sent there anyway? You are a troll and not worth responding to anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juror#8 Posted May 14, 2012 Share Posted May 14, 2012 (edited) Why bring up Bell, CA? What does that have to do with Detroit? Either you are trying to excuse it...or you just like posting the irrelevant. Pick one. Bull...I didn't suggest it, I proved it. And, the black DFP reporter said "we need to elect a white Mayor"....ten years ago, and just re-affirmed it. Why do you have a problem with my argument, but not her's? You are smoking crack if you think the race of the council has nothing to do with the problem. Liberals have been trying to stack decks with minorities over the entire country for literally 50 years. Now, we see the result of their over-reach. It's time to stop judging anybody on anything other than performance. It's time to end the double standards, and all the patronizing BS. Affirmative Action has run its course. Now that it has become a liability instead of an asset, it's time to shut it down. The only people who are trying to ignore this reality: the people who derive their living from race-hustling(Sharpton and Jackson), and the crooks, like in Detroit, whose low performance and criminal behavior is protected by it....because of real racist, patronizing racist, or merely misguided, liberal foolishness. Dude, is there anything more patronizing than "It was a minority business that had a chance to grow(because we handed them something they didn't earn)"? Come on. You know how wrong that is, on multiple levels. It's the new version of "we can't free the slaves, because they can't do things for themselves. Instead we'll hand them food, and a place to live, and tell them what to do, and make their decisions for them, because it's our Christian duty to protect these children". I shouldn't have to explain this to you. Race is the the #1 root cause of the problem in Detroit. Therefore, is it silly to conclude that race isn't the #1 part of the solution. What does them being black have to do with them being effective politicians? If it is because you don't think that black people can be successful, then fine. We will just agree to disagree. If you think that they were picked because they were black, irrespective of their qualifications, and that is why they've failed - what evidence do you have to support that? How do you know that they were not the most qualified candidate? How many white candidates ran? Kurt Schmoke was the mayor of Baltimore for forever. At the time, there were all kinds of issues in Baltimore - corruption on the docks, fiscal problems, substance abuse concerns within the halls of government. Baltimore is an almost all black town and Kurt Schmoke is black. But......he also has a degree from Yale, a law degree from Harvard and is an Oxford Rhodes Scholar. Was he elected because he was black, in a black town, or because he was profoundly well qualified? What if I told you that Schmoke did a great job with the city and cleaned it up quite nicely? And what does it say when Martin O'Malley (white dude) was elected mayor of Baltimore for 10 years subsequent to Schmoke (99-07)? O'Malley did a phenomenal job for the city. What does that mean? What does it mean that the subsequent mayors have been black...again? This country only elected white candidates for 200+ years. Some of those executives were pathetic and steered the country in a horrible direction. Was Herbert Hoover just president because he was white? Jimmy Carter? George W. Bush? While we're on this topic, how do you explain instances where predominately white, Asian, whatever race, fail miserably to govern a district or municipality? Did they fail because they were white? Asian? Whatever race? Or does that principle only apply in predominately black towns with predominately black representatives? Could it be that - for a variety of reasons - they just couldn't govern effectively? And what does it matter that a black person believes that Detroit's problems would be solved with a white mayor? Could it be that, like you, she profoundly over-simplified this matter? Edited May 14, 2012 by Juror#8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted May 14, 2012 Share Posted May 14, 2012 (edited) Race is the the #1 root cause of the problem in Detroit. I don't feel like cranking up the organ grinder to make you dance today but you're a piece of work. Edited May 14, 2012 by John Adams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted May 14, 2012 Share Posted May 14, 2012 I don't feel like cranking up the organ grinder to make you dance today but you're a piece of work. Calling OC a monkey? Isn't that a bit racialist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted May 14, 2012 Share Posted May 14, 2012 Calling OC a monkey? Isn't that a bit racialist? I have 50 books on the English language if you'd like to borrow them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted May 14, 2012 Share Posted May 14, 2012 (edited) I have 50 books on the English language if you'd like to borrow them. So those books can explain to me how I intentionally mis-used the word racialist instead of racist in the spirit of Ali G while pointing out that your choice of words may have been a tad ironic in a discussion of race? I appreciate the offer, John. Edited May 14, 2012 by Jauronimo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted May 14, 2012 Author Share Posted May 14, 2012 (edited) What does them being black have to do with them being effective politicians? Nothing. It has to do with them being ineffective politicians. If it is because you don't think that black people can be successful, then fine. We will just agree to disagree. Yeah that's what I said. Sorry, as many here would agree, my mouth is already full of words. There's no room for yours. If you think that they were picked because they were black, irrespective of their qualifications, and that is why they've failed - what evidence do you have to support that? How do you know that they were not the most qualified candidate? How many white candidates ran? All I know is that they have failed. I also know that diversity, which means different people, not one race, works. There is no diversity in that group. Are you trying to tell us that they haven't failed? Are you saying that we don't need to do something different? Are you saying that there hasn't been significant, ongoing, major criminal activity in Detroit, that has been thus far largely excused because the larger "we need to help minorities by preparing the path for them" liberal agenda isn't in full force here? Yeah, they've prepared the path alright, straight into felony after felony. It's the path to felony. The Felony Path? Kurt Schmoke was the mayor of Baltimore for forever. At the time, there were all kinds of issues in Baltimore - corruption on the docks, fiscal problems, substance abuse concerns within the halls of government. Baltimore is an almost all black town and Kurt Schmoke is black. But......he also has a degree from Yale, a law degree from Harvard and is an Oxford Rhodes Scholar. Was he elected because he was black, in a black town, or because he was profoundly well qualified? What if I told you that Schmoke did a great job with the city and cleaned it up quite nicely? And what does it say when Martin O'Malley (white dude) was elected mayor of Baltimore for 10 years subsequent to Schmoke (99-07)? O'Malley did a phenomenal job for the city. What does that mean? What does it mean that the subsequent mayors have been black...again? Yeah, this has something to do with Detroit. How many on that city council are Rhodes scholars vs. how many have a degree in hustling? Please. The reporter says that Detroit needs a white mayor...now, why would she say something like that....if all that was required was another Barrack Obama Law professor in Detroit? Well, it worked in Baltimore, and it's working so well for us with the President...so... This country only elected white candidates for 200+ years. Some of those executives were pathetic and steered the country in a horrible direction. Was Herbert Hoover just president because he was white? Jimmy Carter? George W. Bush? While we're on this topic, how do you explain instances where predominately white, Asian, whatever race, fail miserably to govern a district or municipality? Did they fail because they were white? Asian? Whatever race? Or does that principle only apply in predominately black towns with predominately black representatives? Could it be that - for a variety of reasons - they just couldn't govern effectively? And what does it matter that a black person believes that Detroit's problems would be solved with a white mayor? Could it be that, like you, she profoundly over-simplified this matter? I am inclined to believe that a lot of these failed white guys failed precisely because they had the path prepared for them, no different than Obama has had the path prepared for him. That's the fundamental question here: is 200 years of path preparing for once race....made better by 50 years of path preparing for another? Why do we need path preparing at all? Did it work for Al Gore? If there ever was a path prepared, it was for that guy. How about Todd Marinovich? If there ever was a "prepare the path for the kid, instead of the kid for the path" white guy...it's him. You, again, are missing this fundamental point: break the path preparing liberal agenda, and do it now. The only reason we need to suspend democracy in Detroit...is that when liberty, or in this case graft, gets out of hand, it destroys order. Order will always find a way to restore itself. I am merely suggesting that we do it in a managed way, with an eye on moving back to liberty, rather than letting these criminals do it with impunity. That's what exists in Detroit now. Order based on criminality....it's F'ing feudalism, based largely on liberal path preparing. Why should we tolerate Feudalism in this country? Upholding the Constitution MEANS destroying Feudalism. That's what we fought our first war over, isn't it? Edit: path preparing, for anybody, is Un-American. It's totally against who we are and what we believe. I don't feel like cranking up the organ grinder to make you dance today but you're a piece of work. You can't, so don't bother. Besides, nobody needs to see more "look at how cool I am, and morally superior to you" posts from you this month. You've reached your quota, likely for the year. But, yeah, I'm the narcissist. Edited May 14, 2012 by OCinBuffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juror#8 Posted May 14, 2012 Share Posted May 14, 2012 Yeah that's what I said. Sorry, as many here would agree, my mouth is already full of words. There's no room for yours. I didn't say you said anything. I asked you a question. All I know is that they have failed. I also know that diversity, which means different people, not one race, works. There is no diversity in that group. Are you trying to tell us that they haven't failed? Are you saying that we don't need to do something different? Are you saying that there hasn't been significant, ongoing, major criminal activity in Detroit, that has been thus far largely excused because the larger "we need to help minorities by preparing the path for them" liberal agenda isn't in full force here? Yeah, they've prepared the path alright, straight into felony after felony. It's the path to felony. The Felony Path? Yeah, this has something to do with Detroit. How many on that city council are Rhodes scholars vs. how many have a degree in hustling? Please. The reporter says that Detroit needs a white mayor...now, why would she say something like that....if all that was required was another Barrack Obama Law professor in Detroit? Well, it worked in Baltimore, and it's working so well for us with the President...so... I am inclined to believe that a lot of these failed white guys failed precisely because they had the path prepared for them, no different than Obama has had the path prepared for him. That's the fundamental question here: is 200 years of path preparing for once race....made better by 50 years of path preparing for another? Why do we need path preparing at all? Did it work for Al Gore? If there ever was a path prepared, it was for that guy. How about Todd Marinovich? If there ever was a "prepare the path for the kid, instead of the kid for the path" white guy...it's him. You, again, are missing this fundamental point: break the path preparing liberal agenda, and do it now. The only reason we need to suspend democracy in Detroit...is that when liberty, or in this case graft, gets out of hand, it destroys order. Order will always find a way to restore itself. I am merely suggesting that we do it in a managed way, with an eye on moving back to liberty, rather than letting these criminals do it with impunity. That's what exists in Detroit now. Order based on criminality....it's F'ing feudalism, based largely on liberal path preparing. Why should we tolerate Feudalism in this country? Upholding the Constitution MEANS destroying Feudalism. That's what we fought our first war over, isn't it? Edit: path preparing, for anybody, is Un-American. It's totally against who we are and what we believe. You can't, so don't bother. Besides, nobody needs to see more "look at how cool I am, and morally superior to you" posts from you this month. You've reached your quota, likely for the year. But, yeah, I'm the narcissist. Not calling you a narcissist. Not trying to have this conversation go anywhere but on schedule. Trying to keep this conversation civil. Back to the point... You're making the point that unqualified folks are being thrust into those positions because they're black. Do you have proof that the electorate had other choices? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted May 14, 2012 Share Posted May 14, 2012 (edited) So those books can explain to me how I intentionally mis-used the word racialist instead of racist in the spirit of Ali G while pointing out that your choice of words may have been a tad ironic in a discussion of race? I appreciate the offer, John. Obviously, I got your reference better than you did. Edited May 14, 2012 by John Adams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted May 14, 2012 Author Share Posted May 14, 2012 (edited) I didn't say you said anything. I asked you a question. Yeah, you weren't implying anything at all. Not calling you a narcissist. Not trying to have this conversation go anywhere but on schedule. Trying to keep this conversation civil. I will as soon as you promise to keep it accurate. Who was that directed towards, you, or JA? Christ, I am beset by unobservant lawyers recently. Back to the point... You're making the point that unqualified folks are being thrust into those positions because they're black. Do you have proof that the electorate had other choices? In a Democratic dominated town that has been such for 50 years? With a bunch of "trustees" who say things like "it was an opportunity for a minority firm to grow"? To which choices do you refer? Where's the choice in people serving their lord well, in the hopes that one day they will get a chance at a fiefdom....provided that the king can keep securing Federal aid money? You seriously want me to go do a bunch of research and determine who the primary candidates were for every single one of these clowns, and the mayor, when we already know the answer? "Detroit needs a white mayor". Come now. This is a Feudal system, and it's failures are empirically identical to the failures of Feudal systems. Sooner or later, incompetency and thievery rules, and the people suffer immensely. How many businesses/people have left Detroit and why have they left? I'll make you a deal: you agree to do that research, when you already know the answer, and then I'll agree to look up the history of how many white primary candidates have been given a real shot to get elected, since we know 0 Republicans have. We don't need to do research to know that it's failing, or to know why. 50 years, or at least, 30 years of power being reserved for a protected "nobility" based on "blood", and, wealth being accumulated through criminal behavior? Obvious Feudalism speaks for itself. I'm merely suggesting that we liberate our fellow Americans in Detroit, from the Feudal lords that have imposed their system on them. Seems like a worthy cause to me. Edited May 14, 2012 by OCinBuffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted May 14, 2012 Share Posted May 14, 2012 (edited) Obviously, I got your reference better than you did. Damn. Upon closer inspection, you certainly did. Edited May 14, 2012 by Jauronimo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted May 14, 2012 Share Posted May 14, 2012 Damn. Upon closer inspection, I'd have to agree. So we're good--I always like an Ali G reference so we'll let the ref pick up the flag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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