aristocrat Posted May 2, 2012 Posted May 2, 2012 No, I'm excellent at speaking the truth. I have no idea why he committed suicide. Maybe he suffered from a terminal illness and didn't want to suffer. Who knows. You certainly don't but once again, go ahead and speculate all you want. so if he was suffering from a terminal illness would he then be a weak loser as you put it earlier? Or would he be simply trying to go out on his own terms and safe both himself and his family a lot of suffering?
DC Tom Posted May 2, 2012 Posted May 2, 2012 I used to frequent PPP as much as I do this place, and did for many years. About 2-3 years ago I gave up and haven't gone back since, just because I got sick of it (mostly because I got sick of arguing and getting mad at people that I actually liked a lot, and I'm a person who very rarely gets mad at anything, except the Bills and Sabres). I actually miss you over there. The quality of discussions declined significantly when you left.
NoSaint Posted May 2, 2012 Posted May 2, 2012 Anyone else wonder if the drugs used to treat the various issues associated with football contribute to what seems to be an escalating suicide rate? It's not like concussions are new. is the rate escalating, or are people now paying attention? id guess that its a big mess of the concussions, the physical pain, the loss of the rush of playing, side effects from all kinds of painkillers - its amazing we dont see more when you start looking at what a lot of these guys really deal with. id guess a lot of them fade really far out of touch before the "incident" (whether a gun, overdose, or whatever) and word never makes it back to the media and teams.
shrader Posted May 2, 2012 Posted May 2, 2012 He killed himself on a football message board? Some trick, I would like to see that. Seriously my problem is why these pampered players who enjoyed the best life has to offer, get so much sympathy from regular 8-5 joes. Because we watch them on a daily basis. Unfortunately there's an "out of sight out of mind" mentality when it comes to the soldiers you suggested. Then again, there is some sort of forum somewhere out there for them as well (and I don't mean a message board specifically).
dave mcbride Posted May 2, 2012 Posted May 2, 2012 I used to frequent PPP as much as I do this place, and did for many years. About 2-3 years ago I gave up and haven't gone back since, just because I got sick of it (mostly because I got sick of arguing and getting mad at people that I actually liked a lot, and I'm a person who very rarely gets mad at anything, except the Bills and Sabres). I pride myself on never going near PPP. I love this board because I look for passionate semi-expertise about the Bills. I don't come to the site for passionate non-expertise about politics!
Salty Posted May 2, 2012 Posted May 2, 2012 RIP! Seau was a beast. Sad if he did commit suicide, that was the worst play of his life and for his team (family) RIP no matter what happened. All the people that make sick jokes about this, probably know nobody cares when they past, grow up.
DrDawkinstein Posted May 2, 2012 Posted May 2, 2012 I pride myself on never going near PPP. I love this board because I look for passionate semi-expertise about the Bills. I don't come to the site for passionate non-expertise about politics! It's incredibly embarrassing to all Bills fans when fans of other teams come here and accidentally stumble upon that board.
Dat Dude Posted May 2, 2012 Posted May 2, 2012 Am I Wrong that like a year ago there were reports he drove off a cliff in a suicide attempt?
ajzepp Posted May 2, 2012 Posted May 2, 2012 I pride myself on never going near PPP. I love this board because I look for passionate semi-expertise about the Bills. I don't come to the site for passionate non-expertise about politics! I can think of about ten TBD'ers off the top of my head who I'd vote for office far more quickly than I would most of the morons we have currently.
Buftex Posted May 2, 2012 Posted May 2, 2012 He killed himself on a football message board? Some trick, I would like to see that. Seriously my problem is why these pampered players who enjoyed the best life has to offer, get so much sympathy from regular 8-5 joes. There is something to the notion of common humanity that is lost on a lot of people...especially on message boards...I suspect that not everyone here is as big a dick in the real world as they present themselves here... who, beside you, is saying that people who feel kind of sad about the Seau situation don't care about military vets, or the "8-5 joes"? What a strange place to try to pick a fight like that.
Mr. WEO Posted May 2, 2012 Posted May 2, 2012 It's hard to know what effect the "CTE" has in these cases. In the Duerson case, he reportedly had (according to his wife) vision and word forming problems for a while prior to his suicide, yet there are no reports I could find about him seeing any specialist for this or any kind of workup being done. And before he killed himself he basically texted his family to ask them to send his brain to BU to see if CTE was the cause of him about to shoot himself. That's a bit strange. And the science behind the link from these pathology findings and suicide is not very solid yet. The folks at BU, who have never found a brain without CTE, have made this very dubious claim about Duerson: "The likelihood is that if he hadn't had the CTE, he wouldn't have developed those symptoms that he was experiencing at the end of his life and perhaps he wouldn't have been compelled to end his life." There is no way they can make that claim with what we know today.
BigBallzMcgee Posted May 2, 2012 Posted May 2, 2012 http://m.nbcsports.com/content/junior-seau%E2%80%99s-death-another-sad-ending-1994-chargers Link Struck by lightening? Plane Crash? Crazy!!
Buftex Posted May 2, 2012 Posted May 2, 2012 Don't take this like I'm beign a dick, cause I have too much respect for you to be that way...but do you have any links or anything that supports what you said? I am sincerely interested in learning more about that if you're saying the NFL is suppressing or disregarding medical information. Just based on my current level of knowledge about the NFL and the steps they've taken to prevent injury, they seem pretty reasonable to me. But I would feel differently if there are feasible suggestions that have been made and the NFL has not taken action, because then we're really getting into the area of liability. The NFL clearly has more resources that most organizations to truly make strides in this area, so if they are truly doing what you said, that will really change my view of them. I will get back to you when I have a bit more time to find something...but keep in mind, the NFL has been accused of paying doctors to come to the conclusions that are advantageous to the league, as opposed to the players safety. It is said they have given more lip service to safety, in the past. Goodell is being very pro-active, but this information was out there before he became the commissioner.
ajzepp Posted May 2, 2012 Posted May 2, 2012 I will get back to you when I have a bit more time to find something...but keep in mind, the NFL has been accused of paying doctors to come to the conclusions that are advantageous to the league, as opposed to the players safety. It is said they have given more lip service to safety, in the past. Goodell is being very pro-active, but this information was out there before he became the commissioner. Interesting. Well if you get time, please PM them to me if you don't mind. Many medical issues are not an exact science, which is why I say he's seem to act prudently given the info at hand, but I may just not have seen the same reports you have. Thanks brother.
Lurker Posted May 2, 2012 Posted May 2, 2012 Buddy & Wanny's response to Seau's Passing “I am deeply saddened to hear the news of the passing of Junior Seau. This is such a tragedy and his passing will be felt by many. Junior was a great player in this league for so many years and he embodied that competitive spirit that all the great linebackers possess. My deepest sympathies and heartfelt condolences go out to his children and his entire family, his friends, the Spanos family and the Chargers organization.” Bills defensive coordinator Dave Wannstedt was Seau’s head coach from 2003-2004 when the linebacker played for the Miami Dolphins. “Hearing this news about Junior...it’s just so tragic…it’s hard to believe. I still to this day remember the day that Junior joined our family at the Dolphins. He brought a sense of renewed energy and a spirit to the field, off the field, in the weight room, just everywhere that Junior went and everyone that Junior was associated with. He instilled a belief that we hadn’t reached our potential and that we could be better and he would find a way to help make that happen. I just feel terrible but I know how much he loved his kids. I remember him coming to me and the first thing we talked about was what the offseason schedule would be and what was going to be our bye week schedule. Everything he was doing was centered around getting back to San Diego from Miami to be able to spend quality time with his kids. I don’t think there’s a better way a man could be remembered than in those terms.”
Kelly the Dog Posted May 2, 2012 Posted May 2, 2012 I actually miss you over there. The quality of discussions declined significantly when you left. I pretty much took a break from and gave up on all politics at that time, and havent been back to that either -- which was another major reason that I didn't go back to the PPP board. I wasn't following the stories closely. I got sick of both sides of the aisle being disingenuous azzholes, I got sick of the media being disingenuous azzholes, I got sick of the ill-spirited and ill-informed people arguing about it who were just as bad, including myself.
Lurker Posted May 2, 2012 Posted May 2, 2012 I got sick of both sides of the aisle being disingenuous azzholes, I got sick of the media being disingenuous azzholes, I got sick of the ill-spirited and ill-informed people arguing about it who were just as bad, including myself. Agreed. It's like monkeys thowing **** at each other on that board....
Jim in Anchorage Posted May 2, 2012 Posted May 2, 2012 Because we watch them on a daily basis. Unfortunately there's an "out of sight out of mind" mentality when it comes to the soldiers you suggested. Then again, there is some sort of forum somewhere out there for them as well (and I don't mean a message board specifically). I never suggested we start a thread on U.S. military suicides. I was more amazed that a NFL player who lived the dream gets so much sympathy here. Concussions? Is Kazoo pointing a gun at his head right now? [Forgeting he has the big helmet on.]
truth on hold Posted May 2, 2012 Posted May 2, 2012 (edited) Hearing his mother on the radio weeping and asking why he didn't talk her about whatever it was that was bothering him, makes me think it was a highly selfious act. Now I don't know all the circumstances that's for sure, but it would have to be something really out there to change my mind. Edited May 2, 2012 by Joe_the_6_pack
Kelly the Dog Posted May 2, 2012 Posted May 2, 2012 (edited) Hearing his mother on the radio weeping and asking why he didn't talk her about whatever it was that was bothering him, makes me think it was a highly selfious act. Not sure about Seau, but selfiousness kills me. Edited May 2, 2012 by Kelly the Dog
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