May speak to Romney's ability to woo the Independent

[IDBillzFan]

Well we'll just have to agree to disagree about how radical the Affordable Care Act is. I think you are straight up wrong and trying to connect dots that aren't there but I'm sure you think I'm somehow naive and don't see some grand scheme to impose radical socialism on us all. The truth is a lot of good reform in the bill and there are compromises in there (Mandate) that were once Republican ideas (now demonized by the Right). But whatever there's a separate thread on that.

 

OWS is retarded. That's my opinion. It's not anywhere close to being incorporated into the Democratic party in the same way the tea party/religious right is. Tea Party is in Congress giving Boehner a heart attack. Crazy religious right people get elected also introducing Bills "defending marraige" lol and still fighting the abortion battle. The most anyone does for OWS is say that they like the spirit of people getting involved.

 

Also, profit/wealth/corporation and etc are no associated w/ evil by any sane people. At least not any people I've met in actual reality. They may say that on right wing radio but...I don't know where they get that from. If you put a mic in front of a hippy throwing a rock through a bank window in the name of OWS of course they'll say that. Then they'll go to jail.

The Democratic Party has all but financed the OWS movement. It has repeatedly come out in defense of it at every level of government, and it absolutely, positively OWNS it. The fact that is comprises mostly entitlement babies who believe the way to level the playing field is to destroy everything in their path IS what the Democratic Party is all about these days. Too stupid to help themselves, so they help themselves to what others have.

 

And for every crazy Tea Party person in the GOP there is a Bernie Sanders, Nancy Pelosi, Debbie Wasserman Shultz, Harry Reid, Barbara Boxer, Al Franken and some other dolt concerned about Guam tipping over because there are too many people standing on it. Stop pretending like the right has the crazies because Dems = OWS and everyone with even a passing view of politics knows this to be true. And you simply don't get any crazier than these lunatics.

[dayman]

The Democratic Party has all but financed the OWS movement. It has repeatedly come out in defense of it at every level of government, and it absolutely, positively OWNS it. The fact that is comprises mostly entitlement babies who believe the way to level the playing field is to destroy everything in their path IS what the Democratic Party is all about these days. Too stupid to help themselves, so they help themselves to what others have.

 

And for every crazy Tea Party person in the GOP there is a Bernie Sanders, Nancy Pelosi, Debbie Wasserman Shultz, Harry Reid, Barbara Boxer, Al Franken and some other dolt concerned about Guam tipping over because there are too many people standing on it. Stop pretending like the right has the crazies because Dems = OWS and everyone with even a passing view of politics knows this to be true. And you simply don't get any crazier than these lunatics.

 

I feel terribly bad for you. You are brainwashed.

Edited May 3, 2012 by TheNewBills

[IDBillzFan]

I feel terribly bad for you. You are brainwashed.

Yeah. And you blend.

 

Let me guess. You're one of them self-described moderate independents we hear so much about.

 

If I get some time today, I'll be sure to track down some links of KEY Democratic Party members supporting, backing, and cheering on OWS while these unwashed masses were raping each other, abandoning babies in tents and crapping on police cars.

[OCinBuffalo]

Haha, the Republicans have their house in order and Obama is the extreme left. WOW. Just WOW.

Haha, I refer you to 2010.....yeah, that was hysterical for you, wasn't it? A complete repudiation of your party is always a barrel of laughs isn't it? Are you a masochist?

 

But....perhaps that's the wrong way to look at it. Perhaps, your standard of "house in order" is too high? Or perhaps it isn't.

 

See, Republicans, and especially the libertarian flavor, are independent thinkers. So, there's always going to be some arguing and even some flat out fighting in the Republican party.

Liberals like you are drones looking for a queen. Or, budding fascists looking for a supreme leader. That means there's likely to be no thinking, and yeah, there's likely to be less fighting.

 

The trouble for you is: Obama ain't the leader you are looking for, and you know it. Deep down in your brain is that place you hate to visit, the one where reason still lives, barely, you know I am right. And that, right there, is single funniest thing in this entire thread. The only thing funnier is the pathetic attempt to deny it.

 

IF the left is more "in order" than the right, please explain Obama's budgets since the stimulus getting 0 votes. This should be good.

Where's the discipline when we have elected Democrats coming out and saying Obamacare was a bad plan? This should be hysterical.

 

But by all means, keep laughing....because it makes me laugh even harder. Keep moving those pieces around on the map in your bunker, and laughing at how much trouble "they" are in.

[dayman]

Laughed at yourself 3 times in 1 post? Are you that funny?

[IDBillzFan]

Haha, I refer you to 2010.....yeah, that was hysterical for you, wasn't it? A complete repudiation of your party is always a barrel of laughs isn't it?

You don't understand. The reason that the GOP took back the house as well as countless gubernatorial posts and state legislatures in 2010 was simply because the WH didn't do a good enough job getting its message out.

 

That's all.

Edited May 3, 2012 by LABillzFan

[OCinBuffalo]

Yeah. And you blend.

 

Let me guess. You're one of them self-described moderate independents we hear so much about.

 

If I get some time today, I'll be sure to track down some links of KEY Democratic Party members supporting, backing, and cheering on OWS while these unwashed masses were raping each other, abandoning babies in tents and crapping on police cars.

Isn't this hysterical? It's amazing how many people aren't willing to stand up for their guy, now that they know he's going to lose. This dude was probably running around with his Obama t-shirt on 4 years ago, screaming Yes We Can!....but, now he's a "moderate" Then, of course we have the Pasta Joe's, saying it should have been Hillary, but not that their ideas are F'ed.

 

But, yeah, it's the Republicans that have the discipline/voter coalition/motivated base problems?

 

I might feel bad for these people, honestly, if it wasn't for all the hubris and phony moral superiority we have had to endure from them. I don't feel bad at all. They are about to get run over by history, and reality, and that's a good thing. I don't expect many of them to learn from this, but a few will.

[RkFast]

Yeah. And you blend.

 

 

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[OCinBuffalo]

Laughed at yourself 3 times in 1 post? Are you that funny?

 

No, but I assure you, you are.

[Chef Jim]

No, but I assure you, you are.

 

Ah the old we're not laughing with you, we're laughting at you.

 

It really works in this case doesn't it.

[jjamie12]

I think the majority of this thread can be summed up this way:

 

If you're on the right, the middle looks left to you -- consequently anywhere left of center looks loony left to you.

 

If you're on the left, the middle looks right to you -- consequently anywhere right of center looks loony right to you.

 

How you guys can have a 5 page thread about this boggles the mind. It's like some of you are just completely incapable of putting yourselves in someone else's shoes for even a second.

[DC Tom]

I think the majority of this thread can be summed up this way:

 

If you're on the right, the middle looks left to you -- consequently anywhere left of center looks loony left to you.

 

If you're on the left, the middle looks right to you -- consequently anywhere right of center looks loony right to you.

 

How you guys can have a 5 page thread about this boggles the mind. It's like some of you are just completely incapable of putting yourselves in someone else's shoes for even a second.

 

You're right...except that you have to consider the context that most of this board are looney-right or -left. And refuse to walk in the other side's shoes, because...well, because they're bad bad people and that would be wrong.

[OCinBuffalo]

I think the majority of this thread can be summed up this way:

 

If you're on the right, the middle looks left to you -- consequently anywhere left of center looks loony left to you.

 

If you're on the left, the middle looks right to you -- consequently anywhere right of center looks loony right to you.

 

How you guys can have a 5 page thread about this boggles the mind. It's like some of you are just completely incapable of putting yourselves in someone else's shoes for even a second.

For me its the exact opposite. I have put myself in their shoes, completely. Therefore, I know how to make fun of them, completely.

 

Look, there's right and wrong sometimes, but more often, there's what works and what doesn't. Obama had complete control of government, and instead of fixing the economy and doing the right things right, he chose Obamacare and doing the wrong things....and not leading on any of it. That didn't work, period. If he is as smart as they say, he should have known better. The reason he did it was to appease the loons, period. Now, who is more loony? The loon, or the guy who self-destructs by listening to the loon?

 

There's nothing loony about caring what happens to the poor, disabled, young or elderly person who needs help. However, there is something loony about demanding that we keep failing at it.

[dayman]

I think the majority of this thread can be summed up this way:

 

If you're on the right, the middle looks left to you -- consequently anywhere left of center looks loony left to you.

 

If you're on the left, the middle looks right to you -- consequently anywhere right of center looks loony right to you.

 

How you guys can have a 5 page thread about this boggles the mind. It's like some of you are just completely incapable of putting yourselves in someone else's shoes for even a second.

 

The majority of all topics on this board are summed up this way:

 

If you defend Obama on any point, you are the idiot left. And it's really the right wing nuts here that view the moderates as left. I know a moderate when I see one, they aren't here. Partisan hackery all around.

 

 

 

That is this board and this topic. I actually tend to support the President in office (against attacks) generally and have for my entire life. But I'm sure that makes me a fool.

Edited May 3, 2012 by TheNewBills

[IDBillzFan]

I actually tend to support the President in office (against attacks) generally and have for my entire life. But I'm sure that makes me a fool.

Why? Why would you do this? The president works for you. You're not his B word. Your job is not to defend him, especially because you have some ridiculous notion that the office of the president is above reproach. That's crap.

 

Unfortunately, you're the perfect Obama fan. Oh, sure, you'll pull out a couple of criticisms to show what an independent thinker you think you are; the stimulus was too small or Obamacare should be single payer. But in the end, you need Obama because you believe the government has the answers for individuals.

 

So yeah, that makes you a fool.

[dayman]

Why? Why would you do this? The president works for you. You're not his B word. Your job is not to defend him, especially because you have some ridiculous notion that the office of the president is above reproach. That's crap.

 

Unfortunately, you're the perfect Obama fan. Oh, sure, you'll pull out a couple of criticisms to show what an independent thinker you think you are; the stimulus was too small or Obamacare should be single payer. But in the end, you need Obama because you believe the government has the answers for individuals.

 

So yeah, that makes you a fool.

 

Blah blah blah...continue to project your own image of me at me. Tell me what is I think. Single payer fan. OWS supporter. "Government has the answers." Blah blah. Some people actually want better government and don't think it's an all or nothing proposition. For certain things not for others etc. I know...it's crazy apparently.

 

 

Anyway, to the point Obama is doing better than anticipated in States he normally would not have a chance in. So as for Romney connecting with the independent voter...not likely they'll turn out big for him.

Edited May 4, 2012 by TheNewBills

[3rdnlng]

Blah blah blah...continue to project your own image of me at me. Tell me what is I think. Single payer fan. OWS supporter. "Government has the answers." Blah blah. Some people actually want better government and don't think it's an all or nothing proposition. For certain things not for others etc. I know...it's crazy apparently.

 

 

Anyway, to the point Obama is doing better than anticipated in States he normally would not have a chance in. So as for Romney connecting with the independent voter...not likely they'll turn out big for him.

 

 

What constitutes better government over the last 3 or so years? Be careful, this could be a trap.

[DC Tom]

What constitutes better government over the last 3 or so years? Be careful, this could be a trap.

 

Forget "the last three years". What constitutes "better government?"

[dayman]

Forget "the last three years". What constitutes "better government?"

 

(Here's an effort to throw some logs on the fire)

 

Drastically cutting spending in a time of depression doesn't IMO. My biggest gripe w/ the GOP. It's a question of timing, not staunch philosophy.

Edited May 4, 2012 by TheNewBills

[OCinBuffalo]

(Here's an effort to throw some logs on the fire)

 

Drastically cutting spending in a time of depression doesn't IMO. My biggest gripe w/ the GOP. It's a question of timing, not staunch philosophy.

Then actually, you agree with a lot more of us than you think.

 

I think it's safe to say that most of us view taxes and spending as they variables they are, and tools to help the economy, rather than the constants that extremists on both sides wish they were, and tools to punish people.

 

My personal view is that the tax rate should be adjusted quarterly, but more importantly, predictably. Being able to reliably predict that ahead of time would probably add .5% growth to the economy all by itself. I think ALL spending should have a mandatory timeout, and should be graded for effectiveness. If it can't be quantified, it goes away.

 

Now, look, I have a buddy who is a state-employed AIDS counselor. We can talk about efficiency all day, but I don't know how we make him more efficient at telling people they have AIDS. There is spending that will be inefficient like that, and there's not much we can do about it. However, he will tell you that there's no way they can do the work that the state laws have mandated that they do. Not enough people, but really, the jobs they are being asked to do is nearly impossible. You can't start living somebody's life for them because they have aids, and the legislature says you need to.

 

That is my problem with government-->scope. They simply cannot deliver on what they promise, because they promise irrational, overblown, poorly understood, "one size fits all" solutions that fit no one.

 

Spend whatever you want, but f'ing deliver the goods. Don't tell me that I should be happy when you fail. Don't tell me that failing = being "compassionate and moral" because it is neither.