May speak to Romney's ability to woo the Independent

[3rdnlng]

Yes, I've spent 4 years on hear faking my dislike for Obama. It's the long con but I can't fool you.

 

 

To more rational posters, either the campaign was caving to pressure or they made an assinine choice in Grenell. Either way, it's not a great moment.

 

Hey, I "here" you. Is there anyone you like then other than some obscure politician/alderman that you think would make a wonderful president?

[Jauronimo]

Hey, I "here" you. Is there anyone you like then other than some obscure politician/alderman that you think would make a wonderful president?

If you recall, JA has never voted for a winning president. I'm sure any night school psychologist could have some fun with that, but a few things are clear. John is rather accepting of gross incompetence as long as that person doesn't believe in Jesus* and John is extremely turned off by extremists**.

 

*Except for in the case of Obama who claims to be very religious and cites his Christian faith as his reason for not supporting gay marriage.

 

**The extremists who believe in Jesus, not the extremists who believe in owning the means of production or believe that wheat grass enemas are the path to salvation and that driving a car is tantamount to a crime against humanity.

 

I'm not too high on Jesus either, JA, and I vote republican. Unless you own an abortion clinic, I'd say the "religious right" is pretty harmless. Annoying, yes, but harmless. Like someone already pointed out, the ship has already sailed on leading socially conservative issues and it isn't coming back. Meanwhile, the crazy left has scored some major victories in their quest to see the U.S. follow Europe down the drain. At this point, which do you think is a greater threat?

 

I'm more concerned with the views being espoused by the morons who lived in a park not far from my apartment than I am with the 5 lonely abortion protesters I passed this morning on my way to work.

Edited May 3, 2012 by Jauronimo

[dayman]

Unless you own an abortion clinic, I'd say the "religious right" is pretty harmless. Annoying, yes, but harmless. Like someone already pointed out, the ship has already sailed on leading socially conservative issues and it isn't coming back. Meanwhile, the crazy left has scored some major victories in their quest to see the U.S. follow Europe down the drain. At this point, which do you think is a greater threat?

 

 

Or ya know...unless you are a gay foreign policy guy. And what are the victories the crazy left has scored? Enlighten me.

[B-Man]

 

 

 

To more rational posters, either the campaign was caving to pressure or they made an assinine choice in Grenell. Either way, it's not a great moment.

 

 

 

Well, I'll try again (I don't know why). The continuing myth is that Mr Grenell was forced out by the Romney campaign, even though he resigned and the campaign official continue to publicly praise him and state that they wish he had stayed (perhaps if they had praised him anonymously it would be more believable....lol)

 

So I still can’t figure out why, if this is some sort of anti-gay purge, Team Romney continues to praise Grenell publicly. Here’s Dan Senor (Romney's Senior Advisor) saying the campaign was lucky to have him and yesterday campaign manager Matt Rhoades issued a statement insisting that “We wanted him to stay because he had superior qualifications for the position he was hired to fill.”

 

If you’re trying to placate social conservatives who object to Grenell’s hiring, that’s an odd way to do it.But lets not let that stand in the way of a good liberal narrative.

 

 

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[Jauronimo]

Or ya know...unless you are a gay foreign policy guy. And what are the victories the crazy left has scored? Enlighten me.

Yeah, because the guy who worked for a number of Republicans over the last decade who suddenly quit of his own volition was in some way radically harmed or marginalized.

 

They have successfully waged class warfare, passed the mother of all wealth redistribution bills and most importantly, moved the party much further left. The crazy left effectively put their guy in the White House, I'd say that was quite the victory. Pick up any major newspaper from California for your choice of any whacked out ultra left reform du jour. You won't view much of the above as owing to the efforts of the crazy left since the media has legitimized OWS, downplayed the Obama administration's socialist sympathies and thinks that California is like totally cool, but they're there in plain sight.

[IDBillzFan]

Either way, it's not a great moment.

Whether we like it or not, the one who wins this election is the one who has the least opportunity to call their actions "not a great moment."

 

Every politician has them them. Every single one. This "not a great moment" deals with gays, and in spite of your comment that "Gay rights is down the list of issues that matter to me," we both know that's a bunch of crap. Someone can call a cigarette a fag and you're pounding your keyboard about gay rights, so let's start by addressing this "not a great moment" for what it is: it's not a great moment to you because you are a serious advocate for gay rights.That's a great thing to be an advocate for, so I'm not sure why you keep downplaying it. It will be easier if you come out of the closet on this fact.

 

It is VERY unfortunate a number of people unquestionably believe a book that says homosexuality is wrong. But you're trying to make this issue bigger than it is because, in the end, it has all the legs of a "Michelle Obama trip to Spain" critique and you know it. Most of the self-described moderate independents will forget this issue in less than a month. If we find out tomorrow the economy hired under 200,000 people last month, it will be forgotten even faster.

 

The ones who don't forget and keep bringing it up are, as usual, not independents at all, but people who say they're independents because they think it makes them the lone voice of reason on an obscure political message board buried in the dark cave of a football message board dedicated to a team that can't even find it's way to winning half its games.

[DC Tom]

Haha, the Republicans have their house in order and Obama is the extreme left. WOW. Just WOW.

 

Obama certainly isn't a moderate.

 

 

But the idea that the Republicans have their **** together is hilarious.

[Magox]

Do a bunch of you guys think he will actually win? (not trying to be facetious)

Well considering whoever wins Ohio and Florida most likely will win the elections I'd say:

 

Mitt Romney has made crucial progress in the two largest battleground states and is now locked into a virtual tie with President Obama, according to a poll from Quinnipiac University released Thursday.

 

The president holds a two point lead in Ohio - 44 percent to 42 percent - down four points from March and well within the poll's margin of error. In Florida, Obama has seen an eight point swing from the end of March, and now trails Romney 44 percent to 43 percent.

 

If an incumbent is below 50% in polling, that is usually a sign of some vulnerability, when the incumbent is below 45% its a sign of real trouble. Those are just polling facts, so you can take how you wish.

 

 

 

And for JA, I agree, the hard right makes it awfully tough to win elections, but the same can be said for the other side of the aisle.

 

Thought you may find this interesting.

 

A spokesman for the Mitt Romney campaign said that anti-gay sentiment from some Republicans after the hiring of foreign policy spokesman Richard Grenell was "disappointing" during an interview with CNN Wednesday night.

 

 

Grenell, who is openly gay, resigned from the campaign earlier this week, citing "the hyper-partisan discussion of personal issues" that came after his hiring.

 

Romney spokesman Eric Fehrnstrom was asked by CNN anchor Erin Burnett whether concern over his sexuality prompted Grenell's exit from the campaign.

 

"Obviously it sounds there, reading between the lines, that the focus on his personal decisions, on perhaps his sexuality, was why he chose to go. Maybe not because it was happening in your campaign, but it was happening by others in the Republican party?" Burnett asked.

 

"Yeah, and that’s disappointing. Wherever there are voices of intolerance within the party or the Democratic party for that matter, it doesn’t matter where it’s coming from, it’s disappointing. And the governor has taken the opportunity in the past to denounce those voices of intolerance," Fehrnstrom replied.

 

"We do not take into consideration non-factors like race or ethnicity or sexual orientation. We look for the best possible people to do the job," he added.

 

The Romney campaign said in a statement earlier this week that they had asked Grenell to stick with the campaign.

 

"We are disappointed that Ric decided to resign from the campaign for his own personal reasons," Romney Campaign Manager Matt Rhoades said. "We wanted him to stay because he had superior qualifications for the position he was hired to fill."

 

Fehrnstrom also emphasized that Romney's campaign tried to talk Grenell out of leaving when the issue was first raised.

 

The video is in this link of the interview

 

http://thehill.com/video/campaign/225193-romney-spokesman-says-republican-criticism-of-gay-ex-staffer-disappointing

 

I've always contended that Romney's "core" was much closer to the middle, and that he would be a much better general election candidate than a primary one. I'd say so far, his body of work, albeit a brief one has proven that to be the case so far. I assure you he will remain focused on the economy, which of course is Obamas weak spot.

 

I'd also say, that hardly anyone thought the race would be this close after that embarrassing bruising charade of a primary. With all the money that is going to be hammering Obama over the next few months, along with his piss poor economic, debt and energy record/policies and Romneys reputation as a mr. "fix it" man, this is going to be one hell of a race.

[Chef Jim]

an obscure political message board buried in the dark cave of a football message board dedicated to a team that can't even find it's way to winning half its games.

 

Well that just !@#$ing ruined my day.

[dayman]

Yeah, because the guy who worked for a number of Republicans over the last decade who suddenly quit of his own volition was in some way radically harmed or marginalized.

 

They have successfully waged class warfare, passed the mother of all wealth redistribution bills and most importantly, moved the party much further left. The crazy left effectively put their guy in the White House, I'd say that was quite the victory. Pick up any major newspaper from California for your choice of any whacked out ultra left reform du jour. You won't view much of the above as owing to the efforts of the crazy left since the media has legitimized OWS, downplayed the Obama administration's socialist sympathies and thinks that California is like totally cool, but they're there in plain sight.

 

Successfully waged class warfare? What are you even talking about when you say that honestly? It's a retarded talking point that means nothing. The top tax rate as we all know has been higher in the past...if that is what you were talking about.

 

Also what are you calling the "mother of all wealth redistribution bills?" Just so I'm clear on that.

[IDBillzFan]

Well that just !@#$ing ruined my day.

Apparently your day will improve if you can swing by the SF Library while it's raining and remind yourself you don't have to be there.

[John Adams]

Well, I'll try again (I don't know why). The continuing myth is that Mr Grenell was forced out by the Romney campaign, even though he resigned and the campaign official continue to publicly praise him and state that they wish he had stayed (perhaps if they had praised him anonymously it would be more believable....lol)

 

So I still can't figure out why, if this is some sort of anti-gay purge, Team Romney continues to praise Grenell publicly. Here's Dan Senor (Romney's Senior Advisor) saying the campaign was lucky to have him and yesterday campaign manager Matt Rhoades issued a statement insisting that "We wanted him to stay because he had superior qualifications for the position he was hired to fill."

 

If you're trying to placate social conservatives who object to Grenell's hiring, that's an odd way to do it.But lets not let that stand in the way of a good liberal narrative.

 

 

He wasn't forced out--the Romney people wanted him to stay by all accounts, and I believe that. He was muzzled in order to let the flap over his appointment diminish. Again, that's a cave to the extreme. Grenell, to his credit, got pissed at the campaign and quit.

Edited May 3, 2012 by John Adams

[dayman]

He wasn't forced out--the Romney people wanted him to stay by all accounts, and I believe that. He was muzzled in order to let the flap over his appointment diminish. Again, that's a cave to the extreme. Grenell, to his credit, got pissed at the campaign and quit.

 

Don't even worry about it. B-Man keeps ranting about the narrative of the left that the Romney campaign forced him out. It's just his personal narrative that claims that narrative actually exists. I don't think anybody has said that once in this topic.

[John Adams]

If you recall, JA has never voted for a winning president. I'm sure any night school psychologist could have some fun with that, but a few things are clear. John is rather accepting of gross incompetence as long as that person doesn't believe in Jesus* and John is extremely turned off by extremists**.

 

*Except for in the case of Obama who claims to be very religious and cites his Christian faith as his reason for not supporting gay marriage.

 

**The extremists who believe in Jesus, not the extremists who believe in owning the means of production or believe that wheat grass enemas are the path to salvation and that driving a car is tantamount to a crime against humanity.

 

I'm not too high on Jesus either, JA, and I vote republican. Unless you own an abortion clinic, I'd say the "religious right" is pretty harmless. Annoying, yes, but harmless. Like someone already pointed out, the ship has already sailed on leading socially conservative issues and it isn't coming back. Meanwhile, the crazy left has scored some major victories in their quest to see the U.S. follow Europe down the drain. At this point, which do you think is a greater threat?

 

I'm more concerned with the views being espoused by the morons who lived in a park not far from my apartment than I am with the 5 lonely abortion protesters I passed this morning on my way to work.

 

I've already indicated that Mitt is probably getting my vote. Doesn't mean he can't dissuade me in the next 6 months. And it doesn't mean I'd EVER vote for Obama.

 

As to your psych remark, I'd like to think it means I don't vote along party lines. I have twice voted for major party candidates in George Bush I (who I liked) and Al Gore (a gag of a vote cast but I was certain Bush II would be a disaster). Other years, I've thrown the Libertarians a bone.

 

 

 

 

Don't even worry about it. B-Man keeps ranting about the narrative of the left that the Romney campaign forced him out. It's just his personal narrative that claims that narrative actually exists. I don't think anybody has said that once in this topic.

 

There are kooks saying it. I've read some accounts on the left and Log Cabin Republicans stating as much, but I haven't seen a credible report (sources and quotes for those who don't get journalism) that the Romney campaign forced him out.

[DC Tom]

The ones who don't forget and keep bringing it up are, as usual, not independents at all, but people who say they're independents because they think it makes them the lone voice of reason on an obscure political message board buried in the dark cave of a football message board dedicated to a team that can't even find it's way to winning half its games.

 

In my defense, I'm just as much an independent when brow-beating idiots on politics in real life...which happens with startling frequency, as a matter of fact.

[Chef Jim]

Apparently your day will improve if you can swing by the SF Library while it's raining and remind yourself you don't have to be there.

 

Actually what will REALLY improve my day is the inspection of the house we're in escrow on in the Oakland Hills that has a panoramic view of the bay with downtown SF shining to the west and knowing that we don't have to live in that crazy city anymore. Not that Oakland is any better but we'll be in the hills looking down on our minions. Bow down to me fools!

[Jauronimo]

Successfully waged class warfare? What are you even talking about when you say that honestly? It's a retarded talking point that means nothing. The top tax rate as we all know has been higher in the past...if that is what you were talking about.

 

Also what are you calling the "mother of all wealth redistribution bills?" Just so I'm clear on that.

The nutty left is the Occupy movement, which has been waging classwarfare for over a year. This movement has been legitimized by the President and democratic leadership, who have also demonized the nameless faceless corporate fat cats, or in the case of Barney Frank, encouraged a run on BofA. Words like profit, wealth, and corporation are now synonymous with evil. Most Americans now believe that the rich don't pay their "fair share". Despite your attempts to dismiss all this as some retarded talking point, these ideas have gained major traction within the Democratic party. I hope I don't have to spell it out for you, but Obamacare is another major victory for state imposed equality, and a monumental step to the left.

 

In my opinion, shifiting the direction of entire political party is a major victory, and the origin for these shifts does not lie at the center. Thus my statement that the nutty left is gaining influence while the nutty right is desperately trying to hold their ground while society becomes decidely less conservative.

[Jauronimo]

I've already indicated that Mitt is probably getting my vote. Doesn't mean he can't dissuade me in the next 6 months. And it doesn't mean I'd EVER vote for Obama.

 

As to your psych remark, I'd like to think it means I don't vote along party lines. I have twice voted for major party candidates in George Bush I (who I liked) and Al Gore (a gag of a vote cast but I was certain Bush II would be a disaster). Other years, I've thrown the Libertarians a bone.

Fair enough.

 

As for the bolded, I was simply observing the track record of your politicians and the eerily similar performance of your choice in football teams. Haven't had a winner in either since the early 90s, hangs out at PPP, John Adams loves LOSERS! I mean...s#%$.

[dayman]

The nutty left is the Occupy movement, which has been waging classwarfare for over a year. This movement has been legitimized by the President and democratic leadership, who have also demonized the nameless faceless corporate fat cats, or in the case of Barney Frank, encouraged a run on BofA. Words like profit, wealth, and corporation are now synonymous with evil. Most Americans now believe that the rich don't pay their "fair share". Despite your attempts to dismiss all this as some retarded talking point, these ideas have gained major traction within the Democratic party. I hope I don't have to spell it out for you, but Obamacare is another major victory for state imposed equality, and a monumental step to the left.

 

In my opinion, shifiting the direction of entire political party is a major victory, and the origin for these shifts does not lie at the center. Thus my statement that the nutty left is gaining influence while the nutty right is desperately trying to hold their ground while society becomes decidely less conservative.

 

Well we'll just have to agree to disagree about how radical the Affordable Care Act is. I think you are straight up wrong and trying to connect dots that aren't there but I'm sure you think I'm somehow naive and don't see some grand scheme to impose radical socialism on us all. The truth is a lot of good reform in the bill and there are compromises in there (Mandate) that were once Republican ideas (now demonized by the Right). But whatever there's a separate thread on that.

 

OWS is retarded. That's my opinion. It's not anywhere close to being incorporated into the Democratic party in the same way the tea party/religious right is. Tea Party is in Congress giving Boehner a heart attack. Crazy religious right people get elected also introducing Bills "defending marraige" lol and still fighting the abortion battle. The most anyone does for OWS is say that they like the spirit of people getting involved.

 

Also, profit/wealth/corporation and etc are no associated w/ evil by any sane people. At least not any people I've met in actual reality. They may say that on right wing radio but...I don't know where they get that from. If you put a mic in front of a hippy throwing a rock through a bank window in the name of OWS of course they'll say that. Then they'll go to jail.

[John Adams]

As for the bolded, I was simply observing the track record of your politicians and the eerily similar performance of your choice in football teams. Haven't had a winner in either since the early 90s, hangs out at PPP, John Adams loves LOSERS! I mean...s#%$.

 

Thanks a lot.